Heart disease/cholesterol



The first and best known of these studies was the Framingham Heart Study,
carried out in the town of Framingham, Massachusetts. Although Framingham is
often associated with proof of the lipid hypothesis, the results of this
40-year study have been a disappointment to its promoters. Investigators
claimed that there was a 240% increase in "risk" of coronary heart disease,
or CHD, between cholesterol levels of 182 and 244. But the actual rate of
increase was only .13%. Between cholesterol levels of 244 and 294, the rate
of CHD actually declined. Thus Framingham investigators found virtually no
difference in heart disease for serum cholesterol levels between 182 and 284
the vast majority of the U.S. population. Nor did they find that diets high
in fat and cholesterol predisposed an individual to heart disease. As Dr.
William Castelli, the current director of the Framingham project, admitted
as recently as 1992: "In Framingham, Massachusetts, the more saturated fat
one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower
people's serum cholesterol...we found that the people who ate the most
cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories weighed the
least and were the most physically active."
Anth
 
The application of a modicum of common sense could have prevented the
massive expenditures lavished on the lipid hypothesis during the past 30
years. The lipid hypothesis implies that animal fat consumption must have
increased significantly since 1920 to correlate with the rise in heart
disease, but in fact the consumption of saturated animal fats in America
declined steadily during that period, while use of vegetable fats increased
dramatically. Autopsy studies of vegetarians reveal that although they have
lower serum cholesterol values than non-vegetarians, they have as much
atherosclerosis as non-vegetarians.
Anth
 
>Subject: Re: Heart disease/cholesterol
>From: "Anth" [email protected]
>Date: 10/14/2003 9:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>

>Autopsy studies of vegetarians reveal that although they have
>lower serum cholesterol values than non-vegetarians, they have as much
>atherosclerosis as non-vegetarians.

Would you have a cite for the above .. ?

This I find kind of hard to believe due to the recent finding of elevated iron
levels and the association found to oxidized cholesterol ..

Free Radic Biol Med. 2003 Oct 15;35(8):922-8. Links


Serum ferritin concentration is associated with plasma levels of cholesterol
oxidation products in man.

Tuomainen TP, Diczfalusy U, Kaikkonen J, Nyyssonen K, Salonen JT.

Research Institute of Public Health, University of Kuopio, Kuopio, Finland

Cholesterol oxidation products, oxysterols, are thought to play a part in the
initiation and development of human atherosclerotic lesions. Excessive body
iron has been suggested to promote atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease
through its pro-oxidative properties. In the present study, the associations
between serum ferritin and plasma oxysterol concentrations were examined in 669
eastern Finnish men. Serum ferritin concentration had statistically significant
(p <.05) direct correlations with most of the measured oxysterols. In
multivariate adjusted regression models, serum ferritin concentration predicted
significantly the levels of 27-hydroxycholesterol (beta = 0.13, p <.001),
7alpha-hydroxycholesterol (beta = 0.11, p =.005), 25-hydroxycholesterol (beta =
0.10, p =.007), 7-ketocholesterol (beta = 0.10, p =.009), and
7beta-hydroxycholesterol (beta = 0.10, p =.02). In conclusion, excess body
iron, as assessed by serum ferritin, is associated with increased levels of
circulating oxysterols, both of enzymatic and nonenzymatic origin, in man.

PMID: 14556856 [PubMed - in process]

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Tom

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Hi
I imagine you would have to read the book 'The Cholesterol Myths'
Any references would be in there.
Anth

"doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Heart disease/cholesterol
> >From: "Anth" [email protected]
> >Date: 10/14/2003 9:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
> >Autopsy studies of vegetarians reveal that although they have
> >lower serum cholesterol values than non-vegetarians, they have as much
> >atherosclerosis as non-vegetarians.
>
> Would you have a cite for the above .. ?
>
> This I find kind of hard to believe due to the recent finding of elevated
iron
> levels and the association found to oxidized cholesterol ..
>
> Free Radic Biol Med. 2003 Oct 15;35(8):922-8. Links
>
>
> Serum ferritin concentration is associated with plasma levels of
cholesterol
> oxidation products in man.
>
> Tuomainen TP, Diczfalusy U, Kaikkonen J, Nyyssonen K, Salonen JT.
>
> Research Institute of Public Health, University of Kuopio, Kuopio, Finland
>
> Cholesterol oxidation products, oxysterols, are thought to play a part in
the
> initiation and development of human atherosclerotic lesions. Excessive
body
> iron has been suggested to promote atherosclerosis and coronary heart
disease
> through its pro-oxidative properties. In the present study, the
associations
> between serum ferritin and plasma oxysterol concentrations were examined
in 669
> eastern Finnish men. Serum ferritin concentration had statistically
significant
> (p <.05) direct correlations with most of the measured oxysterols. In
> multivariate adjusted regression models, serum ferritin concentration
predicted
> significantly the levels of 27-hydroxycholesterol (beta = 0.13, p <.001),
> 7alpha-hydroxycholesterol (beta = 0.11, p =.005), 25-hydroxycholesterol
(beta =
> 0.10, p =.007), 7-ketocholesterol (beta = 0.10, p =.009), and
> 7beta-hydroxycholesterol (beta = 0.10, p =.02). In conclusion, excess body
> iron, as assessed by serum ferritin, is associated with increased levels
of
> circulating oxysterols, both of enzymatic and nonenzymatic origin, in man.
>
> PMID: 14556856 [PubMed - in process]
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
>
>
>
 
The International Atherosclerosis Project found that vegetarians had just as
much atherosclerosis as meat eaters. (Lab Invest 1968 18:498)
Might want to start there.
http://www.bikescor.com/American diet.htm
Atherosclerosis Project examined 22,000 corpses from 14 nations
and found arterial plaque was the SAME in all parts of the world - in

populations that consumed large amounts of fatty animal products and those

who were largely vegetarian, in those with high rates of heart disease and

populations with little or no heart disease. This points to the fact that

thickening of the arterial wall with age is perhaps an unavoidable process

yet does not necessarily develope into clinical heart disease.

You might also try http://www.dr-rath-research.org/

Anth
 
>Subject: Re: Heart disease/cholesterol
>From: "Anth" [email protected]
>Date: 10/15/2003 9:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>The International Atheroscle

hmmmm....Anth

so I can go back to enjoying ice cream?? ie it doesn't really make a difference
what the cholesterol number is??

which of course I have known....isn't it at least 50% of folks with first heart
attack have low or normal lipid levels??

didn't know about the veg thing tho...interesting factoid...

thanks
hawki
 
Well I certainly don't worry about it.
Anth

"Hawki63" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Heart disease/cholesterol
> >From: "Anth" [email protected]
> >Date: 10/15/2003 9:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >The International Atheroscle
>
> hmmmm....Anth
>
> so I can go back to enjoying ice cream?? ie it doesn't really make a
difference
> what the cholesterol number is??
>
> which of course I have known....isn't it at least 50% of folks with first
heart
> attack have low or normal lipid levels??
>
> didn't know about the veg thing tho...interesting factoid...
>
> thanks
> hawki
 
>Subject: Re: Heart disease/cholesterol
>From: "Anth" [email protected]
>Date: 10/15/2003 10:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>The International Atherosclerosis Project found that vegetarians had just as
>much atherosclerosis as meat eaters. (Lab Invest 1968 18:498)
>Might want to start there.
>http://www.bikescor.com/American diet.htm
>Atherosclerosis Project examined 22,000 corpses from 14 nations
>and found arterial plaque was the SAME in all parts of the world - in
>
>populations that consumed large amounts of fatty animal products and those
>
>who were largely vegetarian, in those with high rates of heart disease and
>
>populations with little or no heart disease. This points to the fact that
>
>thickening of the arterial wall with age is perhaps an unavoidable process
>
>yet does not necessarily develope into clinical heart disease.
>
>You might also try http://www.dr-rath-research.org/
>
>Anth
>

I guess it is all a matter of who one uses as a reference ..?

<<snip>>
Studies also show that meat- eaters have higher rates of atherosclerosis and
fatal heart diseases. For example, the average non-vegetarian runs a fifty
percent risk of having a heart attack; whereas, a vegetarian runs only fifteen
percent risk of having a heart attack (Jainism 11).
<<snip>>

Who loves ya.
Tom
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Yeah but both have similar instances of atherosclerosis.
Anth

"doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Re: Heart disease/cholesterol
> >From: "Anth" [email protected]
> >Date: 10/15/2003 10:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >The International Atherosclerosis Project found that vegetarians had just
as
> >much atherosclerosis as meat eaters. (Lab Invest 1968 18:498)
> >Might want to start there.
> >http://www.bikescor.com/American diet.htm
> >Atherosclerosis Project examined 22,000 corpses from 14 nations
> >and found arterial plaque was the SAME in all parts of the world - in
> >
> >populations that consumed large amounts of fatty animal products and
those
> >
> >who were largely vegetarian, in those with high rates of heart disease
and
> >
> >populations with little or no heart disease. This points to the fact that
> >
> >thickening of the arterial wall with age is perhaps an unavoidable
process
> >
> >yet does not necessarily develope into clinical heart disease.
> >
> >You might also try http://www.dr-rath-research.org/
> >
> >Anth
> >
>
> I guess it is all a matter of who one uses as a reference ..?
>
> <<snip>>
> Studies also show that meat- eaters have higher rates of atherosclerosis
and
> fatal heart diseases. For example, the average non-vegetarian runs a fifty
> percent risk of having a heart attack; whereas, a vegetarian runs only
fifteen
> percent risk of having a heart attack (Jainism 11).
> <<snip>>
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
>
>
>
 
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