Heart Rate Monitors

I used to use one all the time when I was time trialling. On race days I had
a level for optimum performance which was supposed to give me my best
performances. (Complicated way of calculating it). In practice I found that
I was always going as hard as I could once the man said go, and only really
used it in the latter stages when I was getting tired, so needed to be told
to work harder. Worth having though.
In winter it was different. Couldn't get out on the roads so had a bike
setup in the garage. There were some training manuals that had a variety of
exercise regimes - daily/weekly/monthly - as you fancied. In the garage I
was very disciplined and tried to stick religiously to what was set. This
was sometimes very hard work indeed. Talking to the other lads in the club
it was apparent that those who had the discipline to follow the course
properly were the ones who got the best results.
Really it's like many things; yes they will do you some good, but you must
use it properly, or you've wasted your money. We used to say it was the
difference between "I would like to get fit" and "I want to get fit". How
keen are you?

"Ron Lowe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have recently started Gymnasium exercises on the "cardiac" machines
and other instruments of torture. Some of the machines have Heart Rate
Monitors, (HRM), but many do not. I am thinking of buying a HRM and to
this end I had a look earlier today at a site....
www.heartratemonitor.co.uk
They have a fair array of equipment and two, both just within my budget,
looked as though they would fill my need. These two are...
Cardio Sport Fusion 30 (UKP 60).
Oregon Scientific SC 232 (UKP 70).
Should anyone use either of these, or indeed any HRM, I would be
grateful for any comments on what they have. Comments be they good, bad
or indifferent will be useful.
TIA
Ron Lowe

Taking Asprin every day is good for your heart.
Take one Asprin tablet for a 5 mile bike ride, a short jog
and 20 mins exercise in the gym, then discard the tablet.

On 2005-12-01, Ron Lowe <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Taking Asprin every day is good for your heart.
Take one Asprin tablet for a 5 mile bike ride, a short jog
and 20 mins exercise in the gym, then discard the tablet.

This is obviously(?) supposed to be facetious, but there is a risk that
casual readers will think it is meant to be serious advice. Taking
aspirin for this purpose is potentially risky (bleeding, internal or
external) and should only be undertaken on the advice of your doctor.

Anthony

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Ron Lowe said:

I have recently started Gymnasium exercises on the "cardiac" machines
and other instruments of torture. Some of the machines have Heart Rate
Monitors, (HRM), but many do not. I am thinking of buying a HRM and to
this end I had a look earlier today at a site....
www.heartratemonitor.co.uk
They have a fair array of equipment and two, both just within my budget,
looked as though they would fill my need. These two are...
Cardio Sport Fusion 30 (UKP 60).
Oregon Scientific SC 232 (UKP 70).
Should anyone use either of these, or indeed any HRM, I would be
grateful for any comments on what they have. Comments be they good, bad
or indifferent will be useful.
TIA
Ron Lowe

Taking Asprin every day is good for your heart.
Take one Asprin tablet for a 5 mile bike ride, a short jog
and 20 mins exercise in the gym, then discard the tablet.

Alternatively Wiggle have a DHB one for £30. I found that I only use my hrm for running, when on a bike, I just ride, but then again I don't do races on the bike.

For runnig training I find it unvaluable, as the routine I use means I have to slow down some days, and work a lot harder than I would do without it on others. It also really helps when running marathons, as the distance means you really can set out too fast without knowing it.

Bryan

Anthony Campbell said:

On 2005-12-01, Ron Lowe <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Taking Asprin every day is good for your heart.
Take one Asprin tablet for a 5 mile bike ride, a short jog
and 20 mins exercise in the gym, then discard the tablet.

This is obviously(?) supposed to be facetious, but there is a risk
that casual readers will think it is meant to be serious advice.
Taking aspirin for this purpose is potentially risky (bleeding,
internal or external) and should only be undertaken on the advice of
your doctor.

Anthony

Er, read it again. I don't think it's serious advice...

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mb said:

Anthony Campbell said:

On 2005-12-01, Ron Lowe <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Taking Asprin every day is good for your heart.
Take one Asprin tablet for a 5 mile bike ride, a short jog
and 20 mins exercise in the gym, then discard the tablet.

This is obviously(?) supposed to be facetious, but there is a risk
that casual readers will think it is meant to be serious advice.
Taking aspirin for this purpose is potentially risky (bleeding,
internal or external) and should only be undertaken on the advice of
your doctor.

Anthony

Er, read it again. I don't think it's serious advice...

I know it's not, as I've already indicated. But I don't think that you
can assume that *all* the people who read these posts are fully awake
and alert, and quite a few may not be native English speakers and may
not get the "joke" - indeed, may get no further than the first line.

Anthony

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Ron Lowe said:

Cardio Sport Fusion 30 (UKP 60).
Oregon Scientific SC 232 (UKP 70).
Should anyone use either of these, or indeed any HRM, I
would be grateful for any comments on what they have.
Comments be they good, bad or indifferent will be useful.

Years ago when I was more serious about keeping fir I had a very good Polar
HRM and I found it to be a very good training aid. I used it to death and
after a while it helped me to get in tune with what my body was doing, I
could judge when the Hi or Lo level alarm was going to sound.
I recently bought a oregon scientific one, not sure of the model No but you
can program it with your preferred range, it has level alarm and it returns
avg HR and time spent in zone. Also does calories used and fat burned
although I'm not sure how accurate this is.
So it does all that I need it to do and it was very cheap.

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Anthony Campbell said:

I know it's not, as I've already indicated. But I don't think that you
can assume that *all* the people who read these posts are fully awake
and alert, and quite a few may not be native English speakers and may
not get the "joke" - indeed, may get no further than the first line.

So? The first line is no more than common medical recommendation.

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right."
- Lord Hailsham

In article <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Anthony Campbell said:

I know it's not, as I've already indicated. But I don't think that
you
can assume that *all* the people who read these posts are fully awake
and alert, and quite a few may not be native English speakers and may
not get the "joke" - indeed, may get no further than the first line.

So? The first line is no more than common medical recommendation.

Except I think the recommended dose is less than one tablet and it is
only recommended for people thought to be at risk.

A quick rummage on NHSdirect confirms that:

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/en.aspx?articleId=187&sectionId=6275

less that 1/2 a normal tablet.

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"Anthony Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 2005-12-01, Ron Lowe <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Taking Asprin every day is good for your heart.
Take one Asprin tablet for a 5 mile bike ride, a short jog
and 20 mins exercise in the gym, then discard the tablet.

This is obviously(?) supposed to be facetious, but there is a risk that
casual readers will think it is meant to be serious advice.

A bit like the Irish Pill, it weighs 20 stone and you wedge it behind the
bedroom door!

"Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Anthony Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 2005-12-01, Ron Lowe <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Taking Asprin every day is good for your heart.
Take one Asprin tablet for a 5 mile bike ride, a short jog
and 20 mins exercise in the gym, then discard the tablet.

This is obviously(?) supposed to be facetious, but there is a risk that
casual readers will think it is meant to be serious advice.

A bit like the Irish Pill, it weighs 20 stone and you wedge it behind the
bedroom door!

This is excellent advice - it doesn't say anwhere to actaully ingest any
aspirin.

Julia

Dominic Sexton said:

Quoted message said:

Except I think the recommended dose is less than one tablet and it is
only recommended for people thought to be at risk.

There are standard mini-aspirins for this purpose at 80mg/tab compared
to the normal 300mg and they are recommended for everyone over 50.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/13/naspr13.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/13/ixnewstop.html

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"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

Ron Lowe said:

I have recently started Gymnasium exercises on the "cardiac" machines
and other instruments of torture. Some of the machines have Heart Rate
Monitors, (HRM), but many do not. I am thinking of buying a HRM and to
this end I had a look earlier today at a site....
www.heartratemonitor.co.uk
They have a fair array of equipment and two, both just within my budget,
looked as though they would fill my need. These two are...
Cardio Sport Fusion 30 (UKP 60).
Oregon Scientific SC 232 (UKP 70).
Should anyone use either of these, or indeed any HRM, I would be
grateful for any comments on what they have. Comments be they good, bad
or indifferent will be useful.

I can't comment on either of those, but early last year Aldi were
selling HRMs for about £13.95. I couldn't replace the batteries in my
previous HRM for that price, so I bought one. It does everything I need,
including setting of training zones.

I don't know how often Aldi do them, but it might be worth you keeping
an eye out for them.

Mike

Tony Raven said:

Dominic Sexton said:

Quoted message said:

Except I think the recommended dose is less than one tablet and it
is only recommended for people thought to be at risk.

There are standard mini-aspirins for this purpose at 80mg/tab
compared to the normal 300mg and they are recommended for everyone
over 50.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/13/naspr13.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/13/ixnewstop.html

They are called Dispersible Aspirins. I take one every day because I
have Angina. They are not to be taken without food as they can cause
the problems stated. It was the one tablet my doctor told me never to
forget to take, the rest I could get away with 🙂

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I used to use one all the time when I was time trialling. On race days I
had a level for optimum performance which was supposed to give me my best
performances. (Complicated way of calculating it). In practice I found that
I was always going as hard as I could once the man said go, and only really
used it in the latter stages when I was getting tired, so needed to be told
to work harder. Worth having though.

My son finds the use of a great monitor is vital in TTs. If he sticks to
what his coach tells him to do and pays attention to HR zones & cadence - he
can pull a new PB out of the hat. If he doesn't take note of his HR zones &
cadence, he goes off too quick & blows, so no new PB! Now it's winter part
of his training is to keep in the lower HR zones for longer periods.

Cheers, helen s

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Cheers, helen s

Hello Helen! Welcome to the crossposted world of the walkers. Cuppa?
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Anthony Campbell said:

I know it's not, as I've already indicated. But I don't think that you
can assume that *all* the people who read these posts are fully awake
and alert, and quite a few may not be native English speakers and may
not get the "joke" - indeed, may get no further than the first line.

But if we all posted based on those assumptions, there'd be little
humour left. ;-)

Are you really suggesting that posting practices should be over-ruled by
the assumption that at least one of the readers would happily start
taking medication against the advice of all the packets, based on the
first line of a sig in a usenet post?

Jon

Sandy Birrell said:

Tony Raven said:

Dominic Sexton said:

>
Except I think the recommended dose is less than one tablet and it
is only recommended for people thought to be at risk.

There are standard mini-aspirins for this purpose at 80mg/tab
compared to the normal 300mg and they are recommended for everyone
over 50.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/13/naspr13.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/13/ixnewstop.html

They are called Dispersible Aspirins. I take one every day because I
have Angina. They are not to be taken without food as they can cause
the problems stated. It was the one tablet my doctor told me never to
forget to take, the rest I could get away with 🙂

As with all medication, there is a trade-off between benefit and harm.
Certainly for someone with angina the balance is in favour of taking
aspirin, hence the good advice from your doctor. No debate about that.

The evidence for people without symptoms and without risk factors for
cardiovascular disease is less clearcut, as the above news item
acknowledges. Advice about what to do in this, as in other fields, comes
and goes with time. Compare, for example, changing opinions about
hormone replacement for postmenopausal women and about moderate drinking
to prevent heart attacks (see new paper in The Lancet).

Anthony

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Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk said:

Anthony Campbell said:

I know it's not, as I've already indicated. But I don't think that you
can assume that *all* the people who read these posts are fully awake
and alert, and quite a few may not be native English speakers and may
not get the "joke" - indeed, may get no further than the first line.

But if we all posted based on those assumptions, there'd be little
humour left. ;-)

Are you really suggesting that posting practices should be over-ruled by
the assumption that at least one of the readers would happily start
taking medication against the advice of all the packets, based on the
first line of a sig in a usenet post?

Jon

I'd say it's quite possible. When I first glanced at the OP I thought it
was serious advice, before I read through to the end.

You have more confidence in people's common sense than I have. Two
examples (both quite genuine):

1. I know of a contact lens wearer who developed an infection in one eye
and therefore wore both lenses in the other eye.

2. A man was fitted with glasses and was very happy with them at first.
After a couple of months he found he couldn't see well with them and
complained of this to a friend. The friend asked to see the glasses and
found they were coated with dust.

"Have you tried cleaning them?" he asked.
"Oh, you mean you can clean them?" the spectacle wearer replied.

Naver underestimate some people's stupidity.

Anthony

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Mike K Smith <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

I don't know how often Aldi do them, but it might be worth you keeping
an eye out for them.

I think Tchibo also do them, usually in the first few months of the year.

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