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  1. you know? said:

    On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:44:07 +0000 (UTC), "Peter B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    if they need a helmet for this they certainly need one for using, or even being near, playground
    appartus.

    Or not. A number of children have been strangled by helmet straps on playground equipment.
    Dangerous things, helmets.

    A small child playing with its bike in the park will now be expected to put the helmet on and do up
    the straps every time it gets on the bike, and take it off again every time it gets off. Two or
    three days of that will put it off cycling for life.

    --
    Dave...

    Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain

  2. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so I don't know why so many are so fervently anti-cycling helmet.

    That's not true. Most seem to be anti-compulsion.

    Quoted message said:

    I think to deny the potential benefits of a GOOD QUALITY (shouting deliberate) helmet is
    ridiculous.

    So did your GOOD QUALITY helmet prevent he accidents you were involved in?

    Choose an answer:
    a) No
    b) No
    c) No

    John B

    John B! you should be ashamed of yourself. Confusing a helmet zealot with choice. Naughty.

  3. In message <[email hidden]>, Peter B

    Quoted message said:

    This is not quite the same as making the wearing of helmets for minors compulsory, most of their
    cycling is more a form of play and if they need a helmet for this they certainly need one for
    using, or even being near, playground appartus.

    One unfortunate girl, who attended my primary school, did have to wear have to wear a helmet for
    walking, as she fell over frequently. She is unique in my experience.

    She would have no chance at riding a solo bicycle (without stabilisers).

    --
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  4. Zog The Undeniable said:

    Out of interest, is a £99 Giro helmet any more *protective* than a £20 Giro helmet?

    I doubt it. Possibly even the reverse. The Giro Pneumo is a hell of a lot lighter than, for example,
    the Specialized King Cobra I normally use, even before attaching lights to the latter.

    --

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  5. Quoted message said:

    I doubt it. Possibly even the reverse. The Giro Pneumo is a hell of a


    lot

    Quoted message said:

    lighter than, for example, the Specialized King Cobra I normally use, even before attaching lights
    to the latter.

    Which lights & attaching mechanism do you use? I'm looking for a helmet light & would appreciate any
    recommendations.

    Ta

    Mark

  6. "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Which lights & attaching mechanism do you use? I'm looking for a helmet light & would appreciate
    any recommendations.

    Petzl make the One True Headtorch.

    I use a Petzl Zoom Zora Belt (with separate battery pack so's not toi have the weight of the
    batteries on me bonce). A set of 4 C cells lasts an improbably long time. I did add a plug and
    socket to the cable.

    Thinks: this is mad, really. All that clutter on the lid is further eroding its alleged protective
    effect. Mind, I ride a Proper Bike (TM) so am unlikely to go cranium-first into anything in
    particular.

    --
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  7. Quoted message said:

    I use a Petzl Zoom Zora Belt (with separate battery pack so's not toi have the weight of the
    batteries on me bonce). A set of 4 C cells lasts an improbably long time. I did add a plug and
    socket to the cable.

    And it attaches to your bike helmet OK?

    Mark

  8. "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I use a Petzl Zoom Zora Belt (with separate battery pack so's not toi


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the weight of the batteries on me bonce). A set of 4 C cells lasts an improbably long time. I
    did add a plug and socket to the cable.

    Quoted message said:

    And it attaches to your bike helmet OK?

    Ah, well, that required a small amount of ingenuity. I removed the elastic straps and used some
    Velcro computer cable straps to attach it. Some use zipties, but the Velcro straps work perfectly
    well and are easier to remove. I also have a Velcro pad on the base of it which hooks onto the pads
    which also attach my visor.

    Someone once described my bike as "impossibly cluttered" (yes, Arrelcat, I maen you <g>😉 - I am
    begininng to think my plastic hat might fall into the same category!

    --
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  9. Mark said:

    Which lights & attaching mechanism do you use? I'm looking for a helmet light & would appreciate
    any recommendations.

    Rear is a Cateye LD500 attached using the belt clip and a velcro strap which crawled out of a box in
    the shed. Front is a Cateye EL400.

    --

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  10. Just zis Guy said:

    Petzl make the One True Headtorch.

    Though this was true for many moons it is no longer the case. Things like the Lucidos and Black
    Diamonds are viable alternatives. And Petzl now make quite a range. I hardly ever use my Zoom any
    more (but I've never liked them much on a bike in any case, as I don't like the light to be directed
    where I'm looking when I'm looking over my shoulder.

    IIRC Lumicycle's ads now feature blinding headlamps.

    Pete.
    --
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  11. "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    I hardly ever use my Zoom any more (but I've never liked them much on a bike in any case, as I
    don't like the light to be directed where I'm looking when I'm looking over my shoulder.

    Heh! I want the light of the headtorch to be directed wherever I point my head - that's what
    I paid for!

    (yes, yes, I know)

    I have Proper Bike [TM] so looking over the shoulder is a rare ocurrence. I have a Mountain Mirrycle
    on the end of one handlebar. Rare as hens' teeth at the moment, apparently, but very much better
    than the original one I tried which was made of spaghetti and cheese.

    Having said which, I also use it on the wedgie. The Zoom is particularly good because you can adjust
    the beam width on the fly (yes, yes, I know that's why it's called the Zoom). It is markedly better
    than the less well focused 5W VistaLite Lightstick headtorch I bought by mistake a while back.

    Quoted message said:

    IIRC Lumicycle's ads now feature blinding headlamps.

    If I were buying rechargeables now I would almost certainly go with Lumicycles. They seem to be
    way out in front at the moment. But I lack the powers of organisation to keep the batteries
    charged so for my daily trog along the Dark Places of Oxfordshire I am lit by the Awesome Power of
    SON on the 'bent and the Slightly Less Awesome But Particularly Good Value For Money Power of
    Nexus on the wedgie.

    --
    Guy
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  12. Just zis Guy said:


    I have Proper Bike [TM] so looking over the shoulder is a rare ocurrence. I have a Mountain
    Mirrycle on the end of one handlebar.

    I have mirrors on my upright bike and on my car. With both of them, looking over the shoulder is
    still a frequent occurrence (less frequent than on a bike without a mirror, yes, but not rare). At
    various times I have looked over my shoulder and seen a vehicle that wasn't visible in the mirrors.
    Is visibility riding a Proper Bike really that much better?

    highwaycode.gov.uk14.shtml highwaycode.gov.uk15.shtml

  13. Alan Braggins said:

    I have mirrors on my upright bike and on my car. With both of them, looking over the shoulder is
    still a frequent occurrence (less frequent than on a bike without a mirror, yes, but not rare). At
    various times I have looked over my shoulder and seen a vehicle that wasn't visible in the
    mirrors. Is visibility riding a Proper Bike really that much better?

    Vision behind generally a bit worse IMHO, but not to the point of worryingly so, at least on the
    ones I've used. I have a mirror on the Streetmachine, but I still only use it in lieu of looking
    over my shoulder when I can already see something in it. In other words, I assume it might give a
    false negative, so will double check if the mirror says it's clear, but it won't give a false
    positive: if it tells me there's a bus there I can safely assume there really is a bus there without
    looking directly.

    OTOH vision looking forwards is generally better, somewhat contrary to most expectations. Unless
    you're on the sort of upright with an unfashionably sit up and beg riding position there's a
    tendency for your default field of view to be the road just in front of the front wheel. On the
    'bent my default view is where I'm actually going.

    Pete.
    --
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    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
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  14. "Alan Braggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have Proper Bike [TM] so looking over the shoulder is a rare


    ocurrence.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have a Mountain Mirrycle on the end of one handlebar.

    Quoted message said:

    I have mirrors on my upright bike and on my car. With both of them, looking over the shoulder is
    still a frequent occurrence (less frequent than on a bike without a mirror, yes, but not rare). At
    various times I have looked over my shoulder and seen a vehicle that wasn't visible in the
    mirrors. Is visibility riding a Proper Bike really that much better?

    Riding along the A4155 from Henley to Reading, I like to know what's approaching from behind. On the
    wedgie that means frequent checks over the shoulder. On the 'bent it means mirror checks. Moving the
    head is generally only required for traffic manoeuvres and while someone is passing. Looking over
    the shoulder is virtually impossible, but I can get a fair view backwards by turning my head.
    Junctions with acute angles are the worst problem.

    --
    Guy
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  15. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Or not. A number of children have been strangled by helmet straps on playground equipment.
    Dangerous things, helmets.

    Bloody negative attitude! Easily remedied by removing the straps and then glueing, or if the child
    has a high pain threshold screwing, the helmet on.
    --
    Regards, Pete

  16. "Peter B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Bloody negative attitude! Easily remedied by removing the straps and then glueing, or if the child


    has

    Quoted message said:

    a high pain threshold screwing, the helmet on.

    Sorry, Pete, you're right of course.

    I've been reading that newer high density foams are better than polystyrene because they don't
    suffer brittle failure. They are heavier and more expensive of course - but think of the children!
    <url:http://www.thinkofthechildren.co.uk>

    --
    Guy
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  17. Alan Braggins said:


    Just zis Guy said:


    I have Proper Bike [TM] so looking over the shoulder is a rare ocurrence. I have a Mountain
    Mirrycle on the end of one handlebar.

    I have mirrors on my upright bike and on my car. With both of them, looking over the shoulder is
    still a frequent occurrence (less frequent than on a bike without a mirror, yes, but not rare). At
    various times I have looked over my shoulder and seen a vehicle that wasn't visible in the
    mirrors. Is visibility riding a Proper Bike really that much better?

    highwaycode.gov.uk14.shtml highwaycode.gov.uk15.shtml

    I feel you are right and it is one drawback of the darkside <scrubs keyboard with carbolic>. Looking
    behind on my trice is sometimes quite difficult, and the mirrors are a great help, but I wouldn't
    _ever_ rely on them.

    John B

  18. Dave Larrington said:
    Zog The Undeniable said:

    Out of interest, is a £99 Giro helmet any more *protective* than a £20 Giro helmet?

    I doubt it. Possibly even the reverse. The Giro Pneumo is a hell of a lot lighter than, for
    example, the Specialized King Cobra I normally use, even before attaching lights to the latter.

    The Giro Switchblade (if you can get one - I gather they're no longer being imported) is a bit more
    protective than a £20 Giro helmet, simply because it has some degree of protection for the face. If
    I'm right and the Switchblade is no more, then the only helmet available which is both ventilated
    enough for vigorous riding and offers any degree of face protection is the Met Parachute, like mine.

    Given that in a fair proprtion of over the bars accidents the cyclist lands at least mostly on their
    face, I'm surprised they're o rare. Mind you, the face guard on mine is quite light and made from a
    plastic which is hard and which I consequently fear may be brittle, so how much real face protection
    it would give you I don't particularly want to test.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon

    ;; of 90+ years of protection, but a cure for cancer, only 14? -- user 'Tackhead', in /.
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  19. Just zis Guy said:

    If I were buying rechargeables now I would almost certainly go with Lumicycles. They seem to be
    way out in front at the moment.

    Well, I wouldn't. We have one set of Lumis in the household (mine) and one set of Fireballs
    (Juliette's), and the Fireballs are just infinitely better thought through.

    The cable attachment on the Fireball lights is a shrouded bayonet clip. On the Lumis it's just a
    plug. Rattling down a rough piece of track in the dark the Lumi plugs tend to vibrate loose, so the
    lights go out suddenly, which isn't at all clever a thirty miles an hour down a rough track in the
    dark. Of course they do tend to go out one at a time, and a sensible person would have stopped when
    the first one went...

    The lamp enclusure on the Fireball is nicely shaped in anodised aluminium; that on the Lumi, just a
    black aluminium can.

    The nice cam-lever handlebar attachments are an optional extra on the Lumis, they're standard on the
    Fireballs.

    The Fireball bottle-cage battery pack enclosure is a very nicely made two-piece aluminium affair,
    with a proper marine-type water-tight cable gland. The battery inside is modular and can be
    unplugged.

    The Lumi equivalent is an adapted cheap plastic water bottle. There's no gland, and while the cable
    is a tight fit in its hole it is possible to envisage water ingress. The battery is assembled into
    the bottle by some crafty process and can't easily be removed.

    In summary the Fireball lights are a lot better manufactured; they look like a finished product,
    whereas Lumicycles look like a prototype.

    Apart from the plug issue there's nothing actually wrong with the Lumis, they work very well; and
    the service you get from the company is very good indeed. But there's no doubt in my mind that the
    Fireball lights are both better value for money and just better, so in my opinion Lumicycle need to
    raise their game.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon

    ;; of 90+ years of protection, but a cure for cancer, only 14? -- user 'Tackhead', in /.
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  20. Peter B said:

    Bloody negative attitude! Easily remedied by removing the straps and then glueing, or if the child
    has a high pain threshold screwing, the helmet on.

    "Long long ago, when Leonard Cohen was the Canadian ambassador to the court of Ivan the Terrible, he
    declined to observe the Tsar's law that all should doff their hats in his presence. Ivan thus
    decreed that Cohen should never be able to remove his hat again, and had it secured in place with a
    four-inch nail. On his return to Canada, Cohen had the hat surgically removed, but the nail proved
    impossible to get out. Hence 'Recent Songs'"

    Paraphrased from "Sounds" review, 1979.

    --

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