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Discussion in 'General Fitness' started by Achtung! Spitfi, Feb 2, 2004.

  1. More in hope than expectation, I'm asking you smelly little rec.runners to provide an answer to my
    search for 'My Race of '04'.

    The following criteria must be met.

    1. It must be in a desert, high desert, or an attractive wilderness location, other than that I
    don't care where. Oh, that's a lie. I don't want to have 1,000 vaccinations simply to compete,
    so make is somewhere without Rabies or Yellow Fever.

    2. I'm thinking multi-day here, perhaps staged rather than continuous.

    3. I don't mind if it includes mountain biking or a little gentle kayaking.

    4. I do not like heights so no bloody precipitous drop-offs.

    5. Preferably towards the latter half of '04.

    Don't tell me to use 'Google'. I've spent the last three and one half hours on Google and
    found nothing that fits. I'm hoping that one of you numpties will somehow have stumbled across
    such a race.

    If anyone actually comes up with something interesting, I may grant them *one* wish.
     
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  2. In article <[email protected]>, Achtung! Spitfire! wrote:
    > More in hope than expectation, I'm asking you smelly little rec.runners to provide an answer to my
    > search for 'My Race of '04'.
    >
    > The following criteria must be met.
    >
    > 1. It must be in a desert, high desert, or an attractive wilderness location, other than that I
    > don't care where. Oh, that's a lie. I don't want to have 1,000 vaccinations simply to
    > compete, so make is somewhere without Rabies or Yellow Fever.
    >
    > 2. I'm thinking multi-day here, perhaps staged rather than continuous.

    http://www.saharamarathon.org/race.html

    ... Ultra runners will continue on during the next two days running an additional 140 kilometers
    south to Dakhla. ...

    Not sure whether that's any good by your high standards or not. The time of year may be a problem --
    you'd probably have to leave it till '05.

    > Don't tell me to use 'Google'.

    found it on google (-;

    I bet Dot could name at least one good ultra in Alaska.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
     
  3. On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >The time of year may be a problem

    'May'????

    You didn't read the exam question properly, did you? How the hell do you fellows ever graduate from
    University? Yankee degree are probably equivalent to the tests we expect our pets to perform before
    we consider them housetrained.

    >I bet Dot could name at least one good ultra in Alaska.

    I don't class Alaksa as 'an attractive wilderness location'. It's a bloody desolate tundra.

    Thanks for trying.
     
  4. In article <[email protected]>, Achtung! Spitfire! wrote:
    > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>The time of year may be a problem
    >
    > 'May'????
    >
    > You didn't read the exam question properly, did you? How the hell do you fellows ever graduate
    > from University? Yankee degree are probably equivalent to the tests we expect our pets to perform
    > before we consider them housetrained.

    Ok you whiney brit, here's an the ultra calendar for Australia if that helps.
    http://www.coolrunning.com.au/ultra/calendar.shtml

    Most of these will be too "short" for you, but there is a 6 day race in November. There are several
    "attractive wilderness locations" in Australia, and there are some harsh, barren desert flatlands --
    so if you're after the picturesque, you'll need to find out a little about the details.

    there's another calendar at runnersworld http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-75-138-
    4573,FF.html?site=RunnersWorld

    races include the 190km "desert cup" (single stage, sorry) organised by an outfit called "dream
    chaser outdoor adventure club" http://www.dreamchaserevents.com/. On this webpage, you'll find
    information about the Marathon Des Sables (multi stage but in April) and the Jungle Marathon (multi
    stage, 125 miles, September, Brazil)

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
     
  5. On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:42:14 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    See? You can be *very* useful when you try.

    The Aussie ultra site is EXCELLENT, many thanks. I'm ploughing through it right now, before the
    internet goes down tomorrow - thanks to some more of my friends :)

    OK, I was just joking. I have NO IDEA who these bad people are.

    And your wish is...?
     
  6. Dot

    Dot Guest

    TopCounsel wrote:
    >>I don't class Alaksa as 'an attractive wilderness location'. It's a bloody desolate tundra.
    >
    >
    > Now who's uneducated? Not that you're wrong about American schools, but Alaska is anything but
    > desolate. You haven't been there or wouldn't say so. It is "tundra" only above limited elevations
    > or in the Arctic Circle way up north. Most of the rest of it is beautifully-forested timberland as
    > far as the eye can see, and the coasts are the most spectacular you could ever see anywhere.
    > During late spring and summer, the inland streams are simply teeming with salmon and other fish.
    > The state is normally quite temperate May-August. Ruling it out is shortsighted if there's an
    > otherwise attractive event there. Did some wonderful trail running there.

    shhhhhh. That's our secret. We've got too many touristi as it is so we try to present the appearance
    of barren waste land where we live in igloos and use honey buckets.

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
     
  7. Dot

    Dot Guest

    TopCounsel wrote:
    >>shhhhhh. That's our secret. We've got too many touristi as it is so we try to present the
    >>appearance of barren waste land where we live in igloos and use honey buckets
    >
    >
    > It is incredible how many people think AK is just vast stretches of flat ice and snow all year
    > long. It's like they read fictional accounts such as "To Build a Fire" or "Call of the Wild" and
    > think they know the place! The Yukon Territory gets the same short shrift. Well, so much the
    > better for those of us who appreciate these awesome places.

    It's been funny. I've been kinda keeping an eye out for potential races or running campes to do some
    day. I read most of the ones on r.r, ultra list, and RW trail/ultra forum, and don't get excited
    except for a coupple on the ultra list (usually characterized by few runners, no roads). Then I
    stumble across races in the Yukon and Nunavut that just seem to call me. I musta migrated to my
    natural habitat :)

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
     
  8. Steve Common

    Steve Common Guest

    Achtung! Spitfire! <[email protected]> wrote:

    >More in hope than expectation, I'm asking you smelly little rec.runners to provide an answer to my
    >search for 'My Race of '04'.

    Same answer as last year: Desert Cup? Dunno if it'll be in Mali again this year or back in Jordan
    (very seriously doubt it tho, considering the recent "interlude" in the area) www.darbaroud.com

    Pity you can't get in April, you could have come to the "MDS" and help us hold the tent up in the
    mornings :-
     
  9. Topcounsel

    Topcounsel Guest

    >Same answer as last year: Desert Cup? Dunno if it'll be in Mali again

    Mali? Omigod. What a hellhole. Last two times I flew out of Bamako Air France literally fumigated
    the interior of the plane for flies, with us in there, after everyone had boarded and the doors were
    sealed up. Even their international airport has open-hole toilets as you deplane. Mali would be just
    about the last place on earth you'd want to risk sickness or injury. On the bottom 5 worldwide for
    per capita GDP, etc.
     
  10. On 04 Feb 2004 21:57:33 GMT, [email protected] (TopCounsel) wrote:

    >Mali? Omigod. What a hellhole.

    Now, now, Mr Counsel, this isn't like you at all.

    I could give you a lecture on the socio-political background to the country that would offer some
    explanation for the relatively poor living standard you observed. But you're not stupid. You know
    the reasons already.

    What rattles my cage is your implication that Mali is a country unworthy of a visit. From the
    incredible beauty of the Adrar des Ifoghas in the east, to the desolate splendour of the Bambouk
    Mountain in the west, Mali is a veritable gem of a country. As part of the ancient Songhai empire it
    has a rich cultural history, evident in the manner and bearing if its inhabitants. Sure, you
    wouldn't go there if you wanted a beach holiday or to experience five-star luxury, but if you want
    to experience just a little of what Conrad saw in 'Heart of Darkness', you could do worse that pick
    Mali as your next holiday destination.

    OTOH, you could spend your time like the rest of your Yankee chums and fly direct from NY to Paris,
    there to bitch long and hard about anything and everything.
     
  11. On 05 Feb 2004 17:00:28 GMT, [email protected] (TopCounsel) wrote:

    >>What rattles my cage is your implication that Mali is a country unworthy of a
    >visit. Hey, I didn't say that. What I said was:
    >>>Mali would be just about the last place on earth you'd want to risk sickness
    >or injury.

    Thus is, by IMPLICATION, a country the prudent would not wish to visit.

    <snipped horrid, biased, description of Mali>

    May I ask, did you travel in Mali dressed in your western finery, using a mode of transport that few
    locals can afford? Then yes, you stuck out like a sore thumb and acted as a honeypot for every
    beggar within 50 klms. Sure, Mali - as are many other places in that part of the world - is a tough
    place to live. You may care to acquaint yourself with the American policy on foreign aid to Mali and
    it's neighbours. It doesn't make pretty reading. There is precious little use in griping about the
    quality of hospital accommodation that you, as a visitor, may find yourself experiencing, if you
    aren't prepared to join pressure groups trying to rectify matters.

    >More to the point: If Alaska is "too desolate" for you, how can the disease, flies and dust of Mali
    >be the "beautiful wilderness" you seek?

    OK, I withdraw my comments on Alaska. It may be beautiful. I just can't say I care enough about the
    place to find out. It's all yours.

    Mali *is* pretty. Well, the countryside is pretty. Africa is Africa. It's harsh but soft, cruel yet
    yielding, merciless and REAL. I love it. I think it's the proximity of death, disease and
    deprivation that makes you realise the veneer of civilization is just that - a veneer. As a species,
    we're closer to the average inhabitant of Mali than most people will ever realise.

    >Mali is "worth a visit" -- if you feel that you don't really know the depths to which human
    >existence has sunk in different places on the globe.

    Or the dignity that individuals can retain, despite the paucity of their surroundings.

    > It is an educational experience. But pleasant it is not; nor is it a particularly safe place to
    > participate in any endurance event. Go to Alaska and take your chances with a Kodiak bear. Dying
    > as bear food is surely more noble than dying as virus-fodder. You did say something about not
    > wanting vaccinations, didn't you? For Mali, you'd definitely need yellow fever, Hep. A & B, and
    > anti-malarials. I'm sure the CDC and the US State Department have further recommendations. All
    > you'd need for Alaska in about May would be your "Jungle Juice" (mosquito repellent)!

    Now here you stand on firmer ground. As I'm no longer current on many of my African vaccinations,
    your comments have considerable relevance to my quest.

    However, if I have to die, I'd rather die in Mali than in Alaska.
     
  12. what a stinkhole.

    "In another life, when we are both cats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On 04 Feb 2004 21:57:33 GMT, [email protected] (TopCounsel) wrote:
    >
    > >Mali? Omigod. What a hellhole.
    >
    > Now, now, Mr Counsel, this isn't like you at all.
    >
    > I could give you a lecture on the socio-political background to the country that would offer some
    > explanation for the relatively poor living standard you observed. But you're not stupid. You know
    > the reasons already.
    >
    > What rattles my cage is your implication that Mali is a country unworthy of a visit. From the
    > incredible beauty of the Adrar des Ifoghas in the east, to the desolate splendour of the Bambouk
    > Mountain in the west, Mali is a veritable gem of a country. As part of the ancient Songhai empire
    > it has a rich cultural history, evident in the manner and bearing if its inhabitants. Sure, you
    > wouldn't go there if you wanted a beach holiday or to experience five-star luxury, but if you want
    > to experience just a little of what Conrad saw in 'Heart of Darkness', you could do worse that
    > pick Mali as your next holiday destination.
    >
    > OTOH, you could spend your time like the rest of your Yankee chums and fly direct from NY to
    > Paris, there to bitch long and hard about anything and everything.
     
  13. >HELP! HELP! HELP!

    One word: Lube.
     
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