herbal remedies for IBD

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Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://herbivore.7h.com

name said:

Hello.

My name is Niek Sprakel, living in Utrecht (in the Netherlands) and

I'm

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29 years of age. I've been diagnosed with IBD since a few years. The
doctors can't seem to determine whether it's Crohn's Disease or
Ulcerative Colitis. I've been temporarily on prednisone twice which

is

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effective to eliminate rectal bleeding.
I've also tried pentasa (mesalazine) and entocort which didn't seem

to

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work very well. Currently I'm on imuran (azathioprine) which seems
fairly effective to eliminate or reduce the symptoms.
However, I'd prefer to find an alternative form of medication to
control or ameliorate my condition based on herbal medicine.

I've been exploring http://www.rain-tree.com/ a bit but I'd love to
hear from other people who also suffer from IBD about their

experiences

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with herbal remedies. For instance Pao d'Arco,
Cat's Claw or other herbs.

Thanks a lot for any feedback on this issue, kind regards, Niek

Forget herbal remedies, read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0969276818/qid=1113247873/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-8936123-1315226?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health Through Diet
by Elaine Gloria Gottschall

Read the reviews.

TC

You may want to read this book before you dive into anything...it's called "
What your Doctor Doesn't Know About Nutritional Medicine Maybe Killing You "
By Ray Strand
It's been a big help in putting a battle plan together that
has kept me healthy and mostly symptom free of my crohn's disease all these
years.

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Hello.

My name is Niek Sprakel, living in Utrecht (in the Netherlands) and I'm
29 years of age. I've been diagnosed with IBD since a few years. The
doctors can't seem to determine whether it's Crohn's Disease or
Ulcerative Colitis. I've been temporarily on prednisone twice which is
effective to eliminate rectal bleeding.
I've also tried pentasa (mesalazine) and entocort which didn't seem to
work very well. Currently I'm on imuran (azathioprine) which seems
fairly effective to eliminate or reduce the symptoms.
However, I'd prefer to find an alternative form of medication to
control or ameliorate my condition based on herbal medicine.

I've been exploring http://www.rain-tree.com/ a bit but I'd love to
hear from other people who also suffer from IBD about their experiences
with herbal remedies. For instance Pao d'Arco,
Cat's Claw or other herbs.

Thanks a lot for any feedback on this issue, kind regards, Niek

hi niek and welcome to the group
you might have "crohns colitis" which is a combination of them(which is
what i have)
i am on asacol, 6mp and cipro along with stuff for nausea and pain...
there are no "cures'...some herbal things that help me are chamomile,
mint of any sort(we grow it) and herbal teas(most of them)
you will find all sorts of people using all sorts of things...run
anything u are trying by your doctor first...most doctors will let u do
some experimentation...herbal things work for some people..not for
others...good luck
annie

I would not worry about the labels doctors use. My gastroenterologist
said I had "irritable bowel," even though I had lost 30 pounds with a
few months. When questioned, he said, "yes, that is odd, but we can
always do more tests." I was glad I didn't - a bunch of patients who
got an endoscopy at a local hospital were exposed to HIV and Hep C.
You should determine what the cause is - what is actually going on in
your body. In my case, it was likely marasmus, due to my diet (high in
nuts, seeds, whole grains, and legumes). Yeast overgrowth and low
stomach acid resulted. Then I became deficient in B12 (and probably a
lot of other things). I also dceveloped severe osteoporosiss, etc.

If you take a lot of drugs, you may develop so many "complications"
that you will never be able to determine what the root cause is. I
took stomach acid and pepsin supplements, and calcium citrate for the
osteoporosis (along with plenty of butter, which is crucial), but one
doctor wanted me to take drugs that block stomach acid production,
which probably would have killed me. Another doctor told me to take
Vioxx - another brilliant idea. It sounds to me like you want a quick
fix, a magic pill, but that's just not going to work here. You have
not given us enough details to research your condition. I've got all
sorts of reference books, including the complete cyclopedia of medicine
from the 1920s, which was the only source that recommended stomach
acid, which, as I said, helped me overcome this condition. Let me know
when it starteed, what was going on at the time, including details on
your diet, what supplements you take, if any, what drugs you take, if
any, exactly what all of your symptoms are and when the developed
(which came first after how long a period of time), etc., and I'll do
some research for you. In the meantime, you should avoid foods that
are undeniably stressors, which means any dairy with carrageenan in it,
unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts), anything with a high
fiber content, any legumes that are not fermented, nuts and seeds (so
often they are rancid or contain aflatoxin), and any cholesterol source
cooked while exposed to air. Stay away from excess iron and also baked
goods with dairy or eggs listed as ingredients. Boiled eggs are good.
You will have to do some work to cure this condition. If you listen to
the doctors, they will only mask the symptoms with drugs, and even that
may be marginally effective, and your symptoms might come back within
months. It's up to you, of course, but I'm assuming you posted your
message because you want some alternative opinions.

Awesome post!!
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I would not worry about the labels doctors use. My gastroenterologist
said I had "irritable bowel," even though I had lost 30 pounds with a
few months. When questioned, he said, "yes, that is odd, but we can
always do more tests." I was glad I didn't - a bunch of patients who
got an endoscopy at a local hospital were exposed to HIV and Hep C.
You should determine what the cause is - what is actually going on in
your body. In my case, it was likely marasmus, due to my diet (high in
nuts, seeds, whole grains, and legumes). Yeast overgrowth and low
stomach acid resulted. Then I became deficient in B12 (and probably a
lot of other things). I also dceveloped severe osteoporosiss, etc.

If you take a lot of drugs, you may develop so many "complications"
that you will never be able to determine what the root cause is. I
took stomach acid and pepsin supplements, and calcium citrate for the
osteoporosis (along with plenty of butter, which is crucial), but one
doctor wanted me to take drugs that block stomach acid production,
which probably would have killed me. Another doctor told me to take
Vioxx - another brilliant idea. It sounds to me like you want a quick
fix, a magic pill, but that's just not going to work here. You have
not given us enough details to research your condition. I've got all
sorts of reference books, including the complete cyclopedia of medicine
from the 1920s, which was the only source that recommended stomach
acid, which, as I said, helped me overcome this condition. Let me know
when it starteed, what was going on at the time, including details on
your diet, what supplements you take, if any, what drugs you take, if
any, exactly what all of your symptoms are and when the developed
(which came first after how long a period of time), etc., and I'll do
some research for you. In the meantime, you should avoid foods that
are undeniably stressors, which means any dairy with carrageenan in it,
unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts), anything with a high
fiber content, any legumes that are not fermented, nuts and seeds (so
often they are rancid or contain aflatoxin), and any cholesterol source
cooked while exposed to air. Stay away from excess iron and also baked
goods with dairy or eggs listed as ingredients. Boiled eggs are good.
You will have to do some work to cure this condition. If you listen to
the doctors, they will only mask the symptoms with drugs, and even that
may be marginally effective, and your symptoms might come back within
months. It's up to you, of course, but I'm assuming you posted your
message because you want some alternative opinions.

name said:

However, I'd prefer to find an alternative form of medication to
control or ameliorate my condition based on herbal medicine.

Two things my husband uses which he swears by:

Slippery Elm Bark:
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsHerbs/SlipperyElmch.html
and
http://www.meridianinstitute.com/echerb/Files/1elm.html

Also acidophilus/probiotics:
http://tinyurl.com/5ts9o

joni

You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause, then
this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to business.
All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say if
you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be
serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,
just large pieces of undigested food in the feces, and I'll spare you
some of the other details. So, I'd like to know about the tests they
did so far, and of course, what the results were, if any were done. If
you want legumes, why not go with tempeh, which is fermented soy?
There is an alternative biomedical model that is based in biophysics
and biochemistry. It is based on the idea that if you got to adulthood
and were okay, the only reason for "disease" to occur is that some part
of your body is being stressed. It could be on the cellular or
tissue/organ level. Too much sun, which is UV radiation, stresses your
skin cells, for example. The alternative model says that your body is
a time bomb, just waiting to go off, but that magic pills will save
you. Once you tell me about the tests, I would suggest various
elimination diets, which remove stressful foods, and you will also have
to see if you have enough stomach acid.

You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause, then
this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to business.
All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say if
you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be
serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,
just large pieces of undigested food in the feces, and I'll spare you
some of the other details. So, I'd like to know about the tests they
did so far, and of course, what the results were, if any were done. If
you want legumes, why not go with tempeh, which is fermented soy?
There is an alternative biomedical model that is based in biophysics
and biochemistry. It is based on the idea that if you got to adulthood
and were okay, the only reason for "disease" to occur is that some part
of your body is being stressed. It could be on the cellular or
tissue/organ level. Too much sun, which is UV radiation, stresses your
skin cells, for example. The mainstream model says that your body is a
time bomb, just waiting to go off, but that magic pills will save you.
Once you tell me about the tests, I would suggest various elimination
diets, which remove stressful foods, and you will also have to see if
you have enough stomach acid.

So sorry to hear about illness. I suffered under Drs care from colitis
for 20 years then started experimenting with alternatives. I became 90%
better by taking quality multi-enzymes. Walking non stop at least 30
minutes a day and eating the least amount of junk as possible helps
alot.
7 years Med free
Stan

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Awesome post!!

I like the part about the acid you need to take.
Maybe battery acid?

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I would not worry about the labels doctors use. My gastroenterologist
said I had "irritable bowel," even though I had lost 30 pounds with a
few months. When questioned, he said, "yes, that is odd, but we can
always do more tests." I was glad I didn't - a bunch of patients who
got an endoscopy at a local hospital were exposed to HIV and Hep C.
You should determine what the cause is - what is actually going on in
your body. In my case, it was likely marasmus, due to my diet (high in
nuts, seeds, whole grains, and legumes). Yeast overgrowth and low
stomach acid resulted. Then I became deficient in B12 (and probably a
lot of other things). I also dceveloped severe osteoporosiss, etc.

If you take a lot of drugs, you may develop so many "complications"
that you will never be able to determine what the root cause is. I
took stomach acid and pepsin supplements, and calcium citrate for the
osteoporosis (along with plenty of butter, which is crucial), but one
doctor wanted me to take drugs that block stomach acid production,
which probably would have killed me. Another doctor told me to take
Vioxx - another brilliant idea. It sounds to me like you want a quick
fix, a magic pill, but that's just not going to work here. You have
not given us enough details to research your condition. I've got all
sorts of reference books, including the complete cyclopedia of medicine
from the 1920s, which was the only source that recommended stomach
acid, which, as I said, helped me overcome this condition. Let me know
when it starteed, what was going on at the time, including details on
your diet, what supplements you take, if any, what drugs you take, if
any, exactly what all of your symptoms are and when the developed
(which came first after how long a period of time), etc., and I'll do
some research for you. In the meantime, you should avoid foods that
are undeniably stressors, which means any dairy with carrageenan in it,
unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts), anything with a high
fiber content, any legumes that are not fermented, nuts and seeds (so
often they are rancid or contain aflatoxin), and any cholesterol source
cooked while exposed to air. Stay away from excess iron and also baked
goods with dairy or eggs listed as ingredients. Boiled eggs are good.
You will have to do some work to cure this condition. If you listen to
the doctors, they will only mask the symptoms with drugs, and even that
may be marginally effective, and your symptoms might come back within
months. It's up to you, of course, but I'm assuming you posted your
message because you want some alternative opinions.

"montygram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause, then
this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to business.
All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say if
you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be
serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,

Let me be presumptuous in saying that there is a difference between IBD
inflammatory bowel disease and IBS irritable bowel syndrome.
He said he doesn't trust modern medicine so invasive testing is out of the
question for him I presume. You have to be respectful of people's wishes.

montygram said:

You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause,

then

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this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to

business.

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All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say

if

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you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be

Yes I did have an endoscopy twice. The first time (right after the
blood transfusion) the results were somewhat inconclusive but hinted at
Crohn's Disease. The second time (when I was on prednisone for the
second time), the results seemed to hint at Ulcerative Colitis
somewhat, but still inconclusive. They also tested my blood for
anti-bodies to determine whether it was Crohn or Colitis and this
didn't provide any clarity either. Every time I see the specialist
(quite regularly, at least every few months), they test my blood.
I also forgot to mention I used to smoke tobacco but quit long before
the symptoms developed (in 1999).

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serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,
just large pieces of undigested food in the feces, and I'll spare

you

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some of the other details. So, I'd like to know about the tests they
did so far, and of course, what the results were, if any were done.

If

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you want legumes, why not go with tempeh, which is fermented soy?

Oh yeah ok. I do eat tempeh sometimes.

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There is an alternative biomedical model that is based in biophysics
and biochemistry. It is based on the idea that if you got to

adulthood

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and were okay, the only reason for "disease" to occur is that some

part

Quoted message said:

of your body is being stressed. It could be on the cellular or
tissue/organ level. Too much sun, which is UV radiation, stresses

your

Quoted message said:

skin cells, for example. The alternative model says that your body

is

Quoted message said:

a time bomb, just waiting to go off, but that magic pills will save
you. Once you tell me about the tests, I would suggest various
elimination diets, which remove stressful foods, and you will also

have

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to see if you have enough stomach acid.