Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion Bernard
Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will score the
elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled in
the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50 at
best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's fifth
victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to the
club."

He could have easily said:

"Armstrong looks to have a solid chance to win his sixth Tour -- almost as
good a chance as the rest of the field combined."

50-50 is quite good odds, especially considering nobody's ever pulled off the
#6.

Dan

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion Bernard
Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will score the
elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled in
the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50 at
best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's fifth
victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to the
club."

He could have easily said:

"Armstrong looks to have a solid chance to win his sixth Tour -- almost as
good a chance as the rest of the field combined."

50-50 is quite good odds, especially considering nobody's ever pulled off the
#6.

Dan

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion

Bernard

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Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will

score the

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elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled

in

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50

at

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best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's

fifth

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victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to

the

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club."

This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder what
Hinault would say today?

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion

Bernard

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Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will

score the

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elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled

in

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50

at

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best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's

fifth

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victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to

the

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club."

This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder what
Hinault would say today?

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This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder what
Hinault would say today?

Especially given Lance's self-assessment that he is in "much better" shape
this year per the Lance Chronicles.

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion

Bernard

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Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will

score the

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elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he

struggled

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only

50-50

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at

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best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's

fifth

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victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to

the

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club."

This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder what
Hinault would say today?

The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong would win a sixth,
he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the question, "Je m'en
fou" (I could care less), adding "if Mercxx concentrated only on the Tour
he'd probably still be winning the thing"

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This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder what
Hinault would say today?

Especially given Lance's self-assessment that he is in "much better" shape
this year per the Lance Chronicles.

Never listen to the "self assessment" of an athlete that has used
misinformation as a strategic tool.

Today I heard Roll comment on the weather this year relative to last year.
He seems to think that Armstrong's problems were caused by the heat. It was
just as hot for everyone else, but some tolerate heat better than others. He
may have a point. If Lance wins this year, we will know the anomoly last
year was caused by the weather and not age or any other factor related to
the passing of time.

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled in
the mountains last year,

Won Stage 15 Luz Ardiden, lost no significant time to GC contenders on
other Mt. Stages (2:12 to Mayo, along with everybody else but Vino, on
L'Alpe d'Huez), 3rd in KOM. "Not dominant" perhaps. "Struggling" a
bit hyperbolic.

I would expect similar Mt. results this year, maybe no Mt. Stages, win
ITT at Besançon, and yellow in Paris.
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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion

Bernard

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Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will

score the

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elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he

struggled

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in

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only

50-50

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at

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best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After

Armstrong's

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fifth

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victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome

to

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the

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club."

This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder what
Hinault would say today?

The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong would win a

sixth,

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he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the question, "Je m'en
fou" (I could care less), adding "if Mercxx concentrated only on the Tour
he'd probably still be winning the thing"

In the same interview he said that it makes no sense to compare riders from
different eras.

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> Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
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> Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour

champion

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Bernard
> Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong

will

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score the
> elusive sixth win.
>
> "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he

struggled

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in
> the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only

50-50

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at
> best," Hinault said.
>
> Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After

Armstrong's

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fifth
> victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome

to

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the
> club."

This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder

what

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Hinault would say today?

The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong would win a

sixth,

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he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the question, "Je
m'en
fou" (I could care less), adding "if Mercxx concentrated only on the
Tour
he'd probably still be winning the thing"

In the same interview he said that it makes no sense to compare riders
from
different eras.

I don't think that it does make sense. Now, you have people spending
hours in wind tunnels trying to get as aerodynamic as possible. Heck,
Lance even takes drinks a particular way to benefit aerodynamics. And
then you have different bikes, different training, better analysis of
diet, HR, etc. The list goes on and on.

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> > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour
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> Bernard
> > Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong
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> > elusive sixth win.
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> > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he
struggled
> in
> > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only
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> at
> > best," Hinault said.
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> > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After

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> > victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said,

"Welcome

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> This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder
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> Hinault would say today?
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>
The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong would win a

sixth,

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he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the question, "Je
m'en
fou" (I could care less), adding "if Mercxx concentrated only on the
Tour
he'd probably still be winning the thing"

In the same interview he said that it makes no sense to compare riders
from
different eras.

I don't think that it does make sense. Now, you have people spending
hours in wind tunnels trying to get as aerodynamic as possible. Heck,
Lance even takes drinks a particular way to benefit aerodynamics. And
then you have different bikes, different training, better analysis of
diet, HR, etc. The list goes on and on.

I agree. But that's all interviewers seem to want to know.

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion

Bernard

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Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will

score the

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elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled

in

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50

at

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best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's

fifth

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victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to

the

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club."

I wonder what Hinault will say if Armstrong creates the #6 Club.

Dave

Pistof said:

I wonder what Hinault will say if Armstrong creates the #6 Club.

"You can't compare riders of different eras. If Merckx wanted to
concentrate on the TdF, he'd still be riding. If I wanted to
concentrate of the TdF, I'd have won 8. If EPO was around in my era,
I'd have won 10." Etc. Etc.

--dt

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled

in

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50

at

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best," Hinault said.

Tour de Tech: It's all about fit
By Lennard Zinn
VeloNews technical writer
This report filed July 8, 2004
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6501.0.html
One example is the hip problem Lance Armstrong had in 2003. The man on his
way to a fifth successive Tour win had received new shoes and cranks shortly
before the start of the Tour. The Q-factor of the new pre-production
Dura-Ace 10-speed cranks were apparently greater than that of the Dura-Ace
9-s), placing his feet wider apart. Current production models have the same
Q-factor as the old cranks. Another explanation could have simply been
mis-location of the cleats on the new shoes. In any case, something was
askew, and Armstrong had to make adjustments in mid-Tour to minimize the
pain, but it never went completely away during the race, simply because he
had no chance to recover.

Armstrong was also in the midst of a divorce during last year's Tour. Given
the reports of his devotion to his kids, that may have had some effect on
his mental state. But then, we don't need to make excuses for last year,
right? He won.

Sounds like Hinault is worried...

Cheers,
Ears

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion Bernard
Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will score the
elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled in
the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50 at
best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's fifth
victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to the
club."

Given the fact that Armstrong has more than one challenger,
50-50 odds of him winning implies that Armstrong is the favorite.
Once again, proof that Hinault is an idiot, apart from his
other obvious faults.

-ilan

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The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong would win a

sixth,

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he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the question, "Je m'en
fou" (I could care less), adding "if Mercxx concentrated only on the Tour
he'd probably still be winning the thing"

I had not heard that one. I like it.

Thanks

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he

struggled

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in

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only

50-50

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at

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best," Hinault said.

Tour de Tech: It's all about fit
By Lennard Zinn
VeloNews technical writer
This report filed July 8, 2004
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6501.0.html
One example is the hip problem Lance Armstrong had in 2003. The man on his
way to a fifth successive Tour win had received new shoes and cranks

shortly

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before the start of the Tour. The Q-factor of the new pre-production
Dura-Ace 10-speed cranks were apparently greater than that of the Dura-Ace
9-s), placing his feet wider apart. Current production models have the

same

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Q-factor as the old cranks. Another explanation could have simply been
mis-location of the cleats on the new shoes. In any case, something was
askew, and Armstrong had to make adjustments in mid-Tour to minimize the
pain, but it never went completely away during the race, simply because he
had no chance to recover.

Armstrong was also in the midst of a divorce during last year's Tour.

Given

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the reports of his devotion to his kids, that may have had some effect on
his mental state. But then, we don't need to make excuses for last year,
right? He won.

Sounds like Hinault is worried...

Cheers,
Ears

It is all about PR. Make the competition think that 2003 was an anomoly so
they don't become optimistic about Armstrong's chances of losing.

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion

Bernard

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Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will

score the

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elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled

in

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the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50

at

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best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's

fifth

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victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to

the

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club."

So far, Lance has rode the perfect race. Barring a crash or illness he
should win !!

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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win

Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour
champion Bernard Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour
doubts Armstrong will score the elusive sixth win.

"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he
struggled in the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of
winning are only 50-50 at best," Hinault said.

Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After
Armstrong's fifth victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand
and said, "Welcome to the club."

I wonder what Hinault will say if Armstrong creates the #6 Club.

Dave

Congratulations. (And thanks again for making everyone forget about Lemond
🙂 )