Hmmmmmm

George Cherry said:

asked for a junk food ban in elementary and middle schools.
Whole milk would also be banned because of its high
fat content, school officials said.

There is no reason for children over the age of 2 years old to drink
whole milk (per the American Pediatric Society) and if you were a mom
you'd probably know this too! Fat reduced milk contains the same
amount of protein and calcium and todays kids sure dont need the added
saturated fats in their already overly fat diets. One cup whole milk
has about 8grams fat of which 5grams are saturated fat while one cup of
even lowfat 1% milk has only 3grams fat of which 1.6grams are saturated
fats.

And the point of this article is? It says its not banning milk
alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats wrong with that?

joanne

On 11 Dec 2005 09:52:24 -0800, joni wrote in
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George Cherry said:

asked for a junk food ban in elementary and middle schools.
Whole milk would also be banned because of its high
fat content, school officials said.

There is no reason for children over the age of 2 years old to drink
whole milk (per the American Pediatric Society) and if you were a mom
you'd probably know this too! Fat reduced milk contains the same
amount of protein and calcium and todays kids sure dont need the added
saturated fats in their already overly fat diets. One cup whole milk
has about 8grams fat of which 5grams are saturated fat while one cup of
even lowfat 1% milk has only 3grams fat of which 1.6grams are saturated
fats.

And the point of this article is? It says its not banning milk
alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats wrong with that?

I think that you can live drinking milk or not drinking milk,
depending on if you like it or not.

But, when comparing whole milk to fat free or reduced fat milk, you
should also consider my five questions:

1. Taste. Whole milk tastes better, IMHO, as it is the fat that gives
taste. Is giving up taste really necessary?

2. Feeling of satiety. I couldn't find the satiety or fullness indexes
for milk, but I guess a glass of whole milk will satisfy you more than
the equivalent amount of [may I say "watery"? 😉 ] nonfat milk.
Thus, won't you end up drinking more nonfat milk than whole milk?

3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather that whole
milk is a better choice than skimmed milk, isn't it?

4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble vitamins and
of minerals in milk?

5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But not all
saturated fats are equal. I gather that short and middle chain
saturated fatty acids, and stearic acid (18:0), are not *that* bad,
are they?

According to the USDA data base, in 100 g of "Milk, whole, 3.25%
milkfat", there are:

Fatty acids, total saturated g 1.865

4:0 g 0.075

6:0 g 0.075

8:0 g 0.075

10:0 g 0.075

12:0 g 0.077

14:0 g 0.297

16:0 g 0.829

18:0 g 0.365

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5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But not all
saturated fats are equal. I gather that short and middle chain
saturated fatty acids, and stearic acid (18:0), are not *that* bad,
are they?

Well, if short, middle and stearic acid are not that bad, which are? 🙂

Mirek

(note: I am not arguing about dangers of SFA, just your definition
covers all SFA chain lenghts normally encountered in both animal and
vegetable products IMO 🙂

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And the point of this article is? It says its not banning milk
alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats wrong with that?

I think that you can live drinking milk or not drinking milk,
depending on if you like it or not.

Agree.

Quoted message said:

But, when comparing whole milk to fat free or reduced fat milk, you
should also consider my five questions:

1. Taste. Whole milk tastes better, IMHO, as it is the fat that gives
taste. Is giving up taste really necessary?

This is a mater of taste. I have been drinking skim milk for eons and I
find the taste wonderful. Since I like mile and drink a lok of it, skim
helps me minimize my fat. If I want fat I have a nice peice of cake or
pie.

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2. Feeling of satiety. I couldn't find the satiety or fullness indexes
for milk, but I guess a glass of whole milk will satisfy you more than
the equivalent amount of [may I say "watery"? 😉 ] nonfat milk.
Thus, won't you end up drinking more nonfat milk than whole milk?

Aactully if works just the reverse for me. Whole milk tastes like heavy
cream so I can't get passed a sip.

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3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather that whole
milk is a better choice than skimmed milk, isn't it?

And if you body has no GI reaction?

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4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble vitamins and
of minerals in milk?

I prefer to have better control of my fat and not the fat in milk.

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5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But not all
saturated fats are equal.

And not all women are the same.

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I gather that short and middle chain
saturated fatty acids, and stearic acid (18:0), are not *that* bad,
are they?

I choose to not want the saturated fat. The fact that there may be
something else I'm missing is just fine

Next question. The answer seems so simple - drink skim milk it has all
the healthy stuff less the saturated fat. Of course if someone thinks
milk is bad for anyone passed age two even though millions drink it in
good health, there isn't much anyone can do.

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And the point of this article is? It says its not banning milk
alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats wrong with that?

I think that you can live drinking milk or not drinking milk,
depending on if you like it or not.

Agree.

Ok.

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But, when comparing whole milk to fat free or reduced fat milk, you
should also consider my five questions:

Quoted message said:

1. Taste. Whole milk tastes better, IMHO, as it is the fat that gives
taste. Is giving up taste really necessary?

This is a mater of taste. I have been drinking skim milk for eons and I
find the taste wonderful. Since I like mile and drink a lok of it, skim
helps me minimize my fat. If I want fat I have a nice peice of cake or
pie.

Generally speaking it's the fat that gives taste. With no or little
fat, I guess you just taste the sugars in milk.

But you have got a point here, as taste is... a matter of taste. 🙂

Thus, my question #1 changes to: *IF* you liked the taste of whole
milk, would you give it up for a supposedly healthier diet? And, does
the fat in a cup of whole milk make you diet "unhealthy", or is it the
overall balance of nutrients in the diet?

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2. Feeling of satiety. I couldn't find the satiety or fullness indexes
for milk, but I guess a glass of whole milk will satisfy you more than
the equivalent amount of [may I say "watery"? 😉 ] nonfat milk.
Thus, won't you end up drinking more nonfat milk than whole milk?

Aactully if works just the reverse for me. Whole milk tastes like heavy
cream so I can't get passed a sip.

That proves my point, doesn't it?
If you only had whole milk left in your fridge, you would drink just a
sip of it! 😉

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3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather that whole
milk is a better choice than skimmed milk, isn't it?

And if you body has no GI reaction?

Well, #3 is for those who do have! 🙂

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4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble vitamins and
of minerals in milk?

I prefer to have better control of my fat and not the fat in milk.

Ok, but what do you say about the specific question #4?

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5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But not all
saturated fats are equal.

And not all women are the same.

That's it. You don't give up all of them because you had troubles with
one or two! 😉

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I gather that short and middle chain
saturated fatty acids, and stearic acid (18:0), are not *that* bad,
are they?

I choose to not want the saturated fat.

I choose to not have to much. My favorite fat is extra virgin olive
oil, I eat much fish rather than meat, and so on... But then, I can't
see the point in aiming to a "zero saturated fat" diet (unless for
some specific health reason, maybe).

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The fact that there may be
something else I'm missing is just fine

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Next question. The answer seems so simple - drink skim milk it has all
the healthy stuff less the saturated fat.

Skimmed milk has somewhat more sugars, hasn't it?

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Of course if someone thinks
milk is bad for anyone passed age two even though millions drink it in
good health, there isn't much anyone can do.

Agreed.

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Enrico C

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This is a mater of taste. I have been drinking skim milk for eons and
I
find the taste wonderful. Since I like mile and drink a lok of it,
skim
helps me minimize my fat. If I want fat I have a nice peice of cake
or
pie.

Generally speaking it's the fat that gives taste. With no or little
fat, I guess you just taste the sugars in milk.

In interesting question. My taste buds may not be sophisdticated enough
to tell if it's the overall flavor of milk that I like or the sugars. I
do know that I don't reach for a glass of milk when I want a Snickers
bar.

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Thus, my question #1 changes to: *IF* you liked the taste of whole
milk, would you give it up for a supposedly healthier diet? And, does
the fat in a cup of whole milk make you diet "unhealthy", or is it the
overall balance of nutrients in the diet?

I have to go back an look up all the sat fat data and I'm too lazy.

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That proves my point, doesn't it?

Not really it just proves that I have weaned myself from the fat. I'd
be willing to bet if I gave up skim milk I could go back to drinking
whole milk assuming I did not mind the sat fat.

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If you only had whole milk left in your fridge, you would drink just a
sip of it! 😉

Nope but not for your reason. 😉

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3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather that whole
milk is a better choice than skimmed milk, isn't it?

And if you body has no GI reaction?

Well, #3 is for those who do have! 🙂

This whole GI came to life with Sears' Zone. Then Atkins took GI as the
bane of all existence when the number of people that are truly sensitive
are very few(less the diabetes folks). It makes great reading and when
if battling extra weight it makes a good dog to beat.

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4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble vitamins
and
of minerals in milk?

I prefer to have better control of my fat and not the fat in milk.

Ok, but what do you say about the specific question #4?

It says I don't know and to be honest I don't care. I don't mind doing
reseach on what directly effects me but.....

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5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But not all
saturated fats are equal.

And not all women are the same.

That's it. You don't give up all of them because you had troubles with
one or two! 😉

I keep a few around at all times. 😉 My point the question is too vague
or better yet, too broad, and why I chose a humorous answer.

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I choose to not have to much. My favorite fat is extra virgin olive
oil, I eat much fish rather than meat, and so on... But then, I can't
see the point in aiming to a "zero saturated fat" diet (unless for
some specific health reason, maybe).

I agree, aiming for zero is not reasonable.

-DF