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  1. (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
    motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either. Yes,
    I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration. No,
    I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to respond
    to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)

    I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
    running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the likes
    of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike to
    the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
    lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
    It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
    it!"😉. The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
    there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he was
    just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
    let him ride off.

    Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
    many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
    city. "Hey, lookit me! I'm a car! WHUP, now I'm a pedestrian! WHUP! Now
    I'm neither! Hey, lookit me riding on the wrong side of the street! After
    dark! Without lights or reflectors! Wearing all black! And if you hit me,
    it'll be all your fault, neener neener neener! Whoah, sucks to be you, red
    lights are only for cars!" etc.

    I'd like to see a lot more of this kind of police activity, but pragmatic
    questions pretty much scotch the idea. There's no law requiring
    registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
    matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one. Should be,
    but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
    exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he succeeds in writing a ticket,
    what's to motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll be no demerit points
    on his driver's license (which s/he may not even have). There'll be no
    increase in insurance premiums (which s/he's not required to carry).
    There'll be no denial of renewed registration (also not required).

    Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
    bicycles until the ticket is paid.

    -Stern (pedestrian/cyclist/driver)

  2. Daniel J. Stern said:

    There's no law requiring
    registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
    matter, any form of identification at all --

    Nor should there be.

    It's a lot harder to ride a horse than it is to ride a bike, yet back in
    the days when everyone rode around on horseback, a license wasn't
    required.

  3. Daniel J. Stern said:

    Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
    bicycles until the ticket is paid.

    Riding your bike on the sidewalk on Sheridan road in Chicago WILL get your
    bike impounded. Irony is that it's one of the scariest places for even
    experienced riders in town--I've seen full dress racer boys chicken out
    and jump up on the sidewalk there.

  4. Florence Henderson Had A Mullet wrote:

    Who cares? User Name of the Month Award!!!

    Bill "Rose Marie had a... nah, can't go there" S.

  5. On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:02:32 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
    many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
    city.

    Nice troll, but I only give it a 1.5.

    Google only shows two posts to Usenet, and they're in 'automobile' and
    'motorcycle' groups.

    Get a life, maybe?

    -Badger

  6. Badger_South said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
    many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
    city.

    Nice troll, but I only give it a 1.5.

    'cept it wasn't a troll.

    Quoted message said:

    Google only shows two posts to Usenet

    You're kidding, right? I've been on Usenet since early '94. Infrequent
    posts to rec.bicycles.misc, but *thousands* of posts to rec.autos.*,
    sci.engr.lighting, us.talk.headline-news, and others.

    Quoted message said:

    'motorcycle' groups.

    Nope, don't think I've posted to motorcycle groups.

    -Stern

  7. maxo said:

    Riding your bike on the sidewalk on Sheridan road in Chicago WILL get
    your bike impounded. Irony is that it's one of the scariest places for
    even experienced riders in town--I've seen full dress racer boys chicken
    out and jump up on the sidewalk there.

    Yeesh. Sounds like fun and merriment for all involved...

  8. Florence Henderson Had A Mullet said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's no law requiring
    registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
    matter, any form of identification at all --

    Nor should there be.

    I disagree. Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
    road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
    means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law. If
    bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
    enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.

    Quoted message said:

    It's a lot harder to ride a horse than it is to ride a bike, yet back in
    the days when everyone rode around on horseback, a license wasn't
    required.

    Horses weren't mixed in with cars, either.

    -Stern

  9. In article said:
    Florence Henderson Had A Mullet said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's no law requiring
    registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
    matter, any form of identification at all --

    Nor should there be.

    I disagree. Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
    road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
    means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law If
    bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
    enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.

    So you are going to require people to license their shoes too?
    Your arguements apply in the same manner.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a lot harder to ride a horse than it is to ride a bike, yet back in
    the days when everyone rode around on horseback, a license wasn't
    required.

    Horses weren't mixed in with cars, either.

    I think you should watch some old films from the early 20th century.

  10. Daniel J. Stern said:

    Horses weren't mixed in with cars, either.

    Then maybe cars should be banned from the roads.

    Let's face it: A lot of roads were built before cars were invented. So
    do cars really have a right to be on our roads?

  11. "Daniel J. Stern" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Florence Henderson Had A Mullet said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's no law requiring
    registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    matter, any form of identification at all --

    Nor should there be.

    I disagree. Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
    road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
    means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law. If
    bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
    enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.

    So you think cyclists should be required to have a license and registration?
    Below what age should we then ban cycling? 16? 14? 13?

    Pete
    and no, let's not get into a cross post war with wreck.autos

  12. Are BMX kids the worst offenders? I think it's a tie between them and DUI
    Charlies. I saw a teenager on a BMX yesterday. He was wearing a walkman, and
    cut across two lanes of traffic(not at the intersection), and proceeded to
    ride down the turning lane. Geez.....

  13. Gooserider said:

    Are BMX kids the worst offenders? I think it's a tie between them and DUI
    Charlies. I saw a teenager on a BMX yesterday. He was wearing a walkman, and
    cut across two lanes of traffic(not at the intersection), and proceeded to
    ride down the turning lane. Geez.....

    I don't know if they're BMX bikes, but the riders where I live who
    exhibit the most robust death-wish wear wool stocking caps, pants
    several sizes too big, and have their seats adjusted so low that their
    knees come up around their chin. They use only one hand, the other
    one either dangles or has a cigarette.

  14. Florence Henderson Had A Mullet said:
    Quoted message said:

    Horses weren't mixed in with cars, either.

    Then maybe cars should be banned from the roads.

    Except that this is reality, not dreamy-dream land.

    Quoted message said:

    Let's face it: A lot of roads were built before cars were invented. So
    do cars really have a right to be on our roads?

    Nonsequitur.

    -Stern

  15. Quoted message said:

    maxo [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Riding your bike on the sidewalk on Sheridan road in Chicago WILL get your
    bike impounded. Irony is that it's one of the scariest places for even
    experienced riders in town--I've seen full dress racer boys chicken out
    and jump up on the sidewalk there.

    All that really means is there are some places we should avoid riding, Sheridan
    Rd being one of them. For those not familiar with Chicago, if you drive north
    on Lake Shore Drive and never exit you'll end up on Sheridan Road just south of
    Loyola University. At points LSD is four plus lanes wide in each direction.
    Sheridan is two lanes in each direction. Add the college traffic and is it any
    wonder the traffic is miserable? Oh, and there *are* parallel alternate routes
    that include surface streets and a designated MUP.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

  16. Quoted message said:

    Zippy the Pinhead [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know if they're BMX bikes, but the riders where I live who
    exhibit the most robust death-wish wear wool stocking caps, pants
    several sizes too big, and have their seats adjusted so low that their
    knees come up around their chin. They use only one hand, the other
    one either dangles or has a cigarette.

    When one of them gets run over as they weave all over trying to *light* that
    cigarette while still looking too cool to move, we'll call them "cyclists" and
    there will be an outcry here to draw and quarter the driver of the car that did
    it. <g>

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

  17. Hunrobe said:

    Oh, and there *are* parallel alternate routes
    that include surface streets and a designated MUP.

    Yeah, but the view sucks. 😄 He he.

    I've always taken the lakeshore path and just ridden on Sheridan when I
    had to and let 'em honk, because it's the fastest way to get to that
    Turkish restaurant immediately south of Loyola which has the best dolmas
    in the universe--traffic be damned. 😄

  18. Hunrobe said:

    For those not familiar with Chicago, if you drive north
    on Lake Shore Drive and never exit you'll end up on Sheridan Road just south of
    Loyola University. At points LSD is four plus lanes wide in each direction.

    do a lot of riding on LSD do ya bob?
    --
    david reuteler
    [email hidden]

  19. Daniel J. Stern said:

    I disagree. Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
    road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
    means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law. If
    bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
    enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.

    I don't know about the laws in your state, but in mine breaking
    traffic laws on a bicycle makes you subject to the same tickets and
    fines as doing it with a auto. To say that the law only can be
    enforced if you have a license is nonsense. You have to prove ID to
    the police officer issuing the ticket regardless if you have a
    license. Can't prove who you are to the police officers satisfaction
    then he can hold you until you can. Therefore the courts have the
    same "..means to exact consequences..". If we believe your argument
    then we would think that a dog walker couldn't be issued a ticket for
    having a unleashed dog because he doesn't have a dog walking license
    nor could a litterbug get a ticket because he doesn't have a dumping
    license.

    ---
    Joe
    REMOVE "Adds" before e-mailing

  20. David Reuteler said:

    do a lot of riding on LSD do ya bob?

    I don't know about bob, but I've been on LSD during a Critical Mass ride.
    Lake Shore Drive.

    😄

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