Home-made tire boot?

Anyone know who sells the tire boots online? I'm looking for one for my next
tour
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Hello!
I know Park makes an adhesive-backed tire boot for those hack and
slash type punctures. I may even get a pack or two if some of the bars
around here start getting the house booze in glass bottles again :-)
I also know that in the "improvised" category of tire boots folded
currency is the old standard, recently supplanted by the nutrition bar
wrapper.
I've got three contenders for the home-made prepared tire boot: 1) A
section of the skinwall from a hybrid tire I'd retired from service
after the bead rusted, 2) A section of the tread from the same tire and
3) A sliced-out rounded-cornered square of polyethylene plastic from a
gallon bottle of distilled water. Any preparation tips, warnings (like
if the polyethylene sheet might slice up the tube the way shifted tire
liners might) etc. would be appreciated.

Robert Leone [email hidden]

rleone said:

I've got three contenders for the home-made prepared tire boot: 1) A
section of the skinwall from a hybrid tire I'd retired from service
after the bead rusted, 2) A section of the tread from the same tire and
3) A sliced-out rounded-cornered square of polyethylene plastic from a
gallon bottle of distilled water.

Use a rectangle of casing from an old tire (that may be what you mean by
"skinwall". You can, with some effort, peel the rubber off, then cut
pieces large enough to spread the load well and to be easy to position to
cover the gash.

I use the casing of an old silk track tire, which is arguably the best
stuff available. Lacking a source for those, get the thinnest, lightest
old tire you can find.

The tread -- that is, the rubber, will stretch too much and the gash will
bulge. The same holds for the use of tube patches, which are also too
small to do any good if they did have enough strength. Plastic bits
should work OK in a pinch, but I do worry about abrading the tube,
especially a thin tube.

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Quoted message said:

Anyone know who sells the tire boots online? I'm looking for one for my next
tour

Why buy them online when the US Treasury has outlets and dealers
nationwide selling them for one dollar each? (The five-dollar,
ten-dollar and higher versions work no better than the cheapest,
one-dollar style, and the more expensive ones introduce the hazard
that someone may cut your tire open to steal them if they're
recognized for what they are.)

Of course, if what you're talking about is a tire liner that goes all
the way around the inside of the tread, then any of the major online
parts sellers have candidates.

I have no data concerning the possibility that prelining your tire
with currency might prevent punctures.
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I carry some duct tape wrapped around my patch kit. I only used it once
last fall when riding some rotty tires at a stupid pressure and I blew
out the sidewall.

While not as good as some methods, it still bulged, I was able to ride
10 miles home on a 2cm long major tear.

"Werehatrack" wrote: (clip) (The five-dollar, ten-dollar and higher
versions work no better than the cheapest, one-dollar style, (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The more expensive ones weight the same as the $1 ones, but they do have an
advantage: if you should wish to trade one for some food, or a bicycle
part, they seem to have more clout.

"David L. Johnson" wrot4e: (clip) Plastic bits should work OK in a pinch,
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
but not a puncture?

Werehatrack said:

Why buy them online when the US Treasury has outlets and dealers
nationwide selling them for one dollar each?

That's what I use. I keep a $1 bill in my patch kit for tire tears. The
same one has gotten me home two times in the last 10 years.

Also, if you can't get it to hold air no matter what, you can stuff a
tire with long grass. It works well for MTB tires, but you can't get
enough in there for it to work with road tires. Of course, on the road
you likely have better access to a car ride then on the trail.

I rode from the top of Mustang Trail all the way to the bottom of White
Ranch at a good clip with a 3-inch cut in my rear sidewall and a
grass-stuffed tire 🙂

-Mike

Leo Lichtman said:

"Werehatrack" wrote: (clip) (The five-dollar, ten-dollar and higher
versions work no better than the cheapest, one-dollar style, (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The more expensive ones weight the same as the $1 ones, but they do have an
advantage: if you should wish to trade one for some food, or a bicycle
part, they seem to have more clout.

Devil's advocate, though: using the more expensive versions increase
the theft-risk of the bicycle.

Don't overthink it.
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

David L. Johnson said:

I use the casing of an old silk track tire, which is arguably the best
stuff available. Lacking a source for those, get the thinnest, lightest
old tire you can find.

There are other possibilities, of course. Tyvek works pretty well.
It's the reinforced plastic "paper" used in some mailing envelopes, and
some century rider number patches.

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The tread -- that is, the rubber, will stretch too much and the gash will
bulge.

I've found duct tape useful. As a boot, it too wants to bulge out.
However, in the case of one really disastrous tire slice (out in the
middle of nowhere with many, many miles to go) I solved the bulging
problem by wrapping a layer of duct tape all around that area of the
tube. The duct tape contained the pressure, so to speak. I tried to
wrap loosely, to approximate the _inflated_ diameter of the tube's
cross section. In any case, it held for something like 150 miles, to
the nearest source of a replacement tire.

- Frank Krygowski

<[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) The duct tape contained the pressure,
so to speak. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This takes me back to my childhood, when we used to wrap friction tape
around the outside of a tire to reduce a flat to a slow leak.

This leads me to the idea that, if a boot is not stiff enough to prevent
bulging, duct tape over the outside might make the bike rideable.

Might a piece of jeans denim, perhaps cut on the bias, then coated with
silicon seal work? the fabric is tough and the silicon would add a measure
of waterproofing, plus the gripiness of the silicon would keep the boot from
backing out the hole. Haven't had a failure of that sort while riding- more
the conventional flat or pinch flat from hitting a curb(doh!) wrong. Hard to
do a bunny hop on a long wheel based recumbent! Pat

Robert Leone said:

I know Park makes an adhesive-backed tire boot for those hack and
slash type punctures. I may even get a pack or two if some of the
bars around here start getting the house booze in glass bottles
again.

Quoted message said:

I also know that in the "improvised" category of tire boots folded
currency is the old standard, recently supplanted by the nutrition
bar wrapper.

Quoted message said:

I've got three contenders for the home-made prepared tire boot:

Quoted message said:

1) A section of the skinwall from a hybrid tire I'd retired from
service after the bead rusted,

That's the one that works the best because it has a bias ply fabric
that can follow the natural distortions of a bias ply tire casing. I
use old Clement Criterium tubular tire material, with the tread. The
Park Tool boot is not a weave and cannot follow the tire casing, so it
has an adhesion problem. In the days of yore, you could buy boots for
car tires made of long oval shaped tire casing-like material, with a
feathered edge. Too bad that technology got lost with the advent of
tubeless tires. Bicycles could use that.

Quoted message said:

2) A section of the tread from the same tire

That is a less effective boot but any flexible non-stretch material
will do.

Quoted message said:

3) A sliced-out rounded-cornered square of polyethylene plastic from
a gallon bottle of distilled water. Any preparation tips,
warnings (like if the polyethylene sheet might slice up the tube
the way shifted tire liners might) etc. would be appreciated.

This has the same problem as the Park Boot.

To visualize the distortion of a tire casing I suggest the business
card test in which a standard paper business card is laid between
inner tube and tire casing (under the tread) and ridden for a day.
The card will be converted to miniature confetti by diagonal flexing
of the casing.

Jobst Brandt

<[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) In the days of yore, you
could buy boots for car tires made of long oval shaped tire casing-like
material, with a feathered edge. Too bad that technology got lost with the
advent of

Quoted message said:

tubeless tires. Bicycles could use that. (clip)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I remember those. My parents were so poor that they used those to extend
the life of tires that were wearing out. Those were NOT the good old days.

I have an ample supply of new and used offset blanket material. This
consists of rubber-like layers bonded to fabric. It looks to me like it
would make an ideal old-fashioned boot. It could be held against a belt or
disk sander to produce the feather edge you described, Jobst. If anyone
wants to try this, go to a print shop and ask for a used blanket--they throw
them out all the time.

Werehatrack said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone know who sells the tire boots online? I'm looking for one for
my next tour

Why buy them online when the US Treasury has outlets and dealers
nationwide selling them for one dollar each?

Bills erode over time. Water bottle plastic doesn't. Yes, they're supposed
to be a temporary fix, but not in my book!

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Quoted message said:

Hello!
I know Park makes an adhesive-backed tire boot for those hack and
slash type punctures. I may even get a pack or two if some of the bars
around here start getting the house booze in glass bottles again :-)
I also know that in the "improvised" category of tire boots folded
currency is the old standard, recently supplanted by the nutrition bar
wrapper.
I've got three contenders for the home-made prepared tire boot: 1) A
section of the skinwall from a hybrid tire I'd retired from service
after the bead rusted, 2) A section of the tread from the same tire
and 3) A sliced-out rounded-cornered square of polyethylene plastic
from a gallon bottle of distilled water. Any preparation tips,
warnings (like if the polyethylene sheet might slice up the tube the
way shifted tire liners might) etc. would be appreciated.

I use number three you mentioned in a nail hole, applying with the curvature
following the tire. I make sure to cut the corners as flat as possible,
approximating an oval or circle. I wrap up the whole thing with duct tape
and haven't had a problem since.
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Squid-in-Training said:

Werehatrack said:

Quoted message said:

Anyone know who sells the tire boots online? I'm looking for one for
my next tour

Why buy them online when the US Treasury has outlets and dealers
nationwide selling them for one dollar each?

Bills erode over time. Water bottle plastic doesn't. Yes, they're supposed
to be a temporary fix, but not in my book!

I would never use a piece of a water bottle to repair a book.
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Quoted message said:

Hello!
I know Park makes an adhesive-backed tire boot for those hack and
slash type punctures. I may even get a pack or two if some of the bars
around here start getting the house booze in glass bottles again :-)
I also know that in the "improvised" category of tire boots folded
currency is the old standard, recently supplanted by the nutrition bar
wrapper.
I've got three contenders for the home-made prepared tire boot: 1) A
section of the skinwall from a hybrid tire I'd retired from service
after the bead rusted, 2) A section of the tread from the same tire and
3) A sliced-out rounded-cornered square of polyethylene plastic from a
gallon bottle of distilled water. Any preparation tips, warnings (like
if the polyethylene sheet might slice up the tube the way shifted tire
liners might) etc. would be appreciated.

I've used #3 many a time with no ill-effect for as long as I've used the
tire. I'm going to discard a fresh knobby tire when the knobs are worn
down, not because of a sidewall cut.

Greg

patrick mitchel said:

Might a piece of jeans denim, perhaps cut on the bias, then coated with
silicon seal work? the fabric is tough and the silicon would add a measure
of waterproofing, plus the gripiness of the silicon would keep the boot from
backing out the hole.

It ought to work. Try it and let us know, if you have the
opportunity.

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1) A section of the skinwall from a hybrid tire I'd retired from service
after the bead rusted,

Good. This will work well.

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2) A section of the tread from the same tire and

I don't think that's so good, though I've never tried it.

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3) A sliced-out rounded-cornered square of polyethylene plastic

This I would expect to crack and not work well.

I've also used a section of tyvek, the material shipping envelopes are
made from. That's pretty light and easy to add to a patch kit for use
on the road.

JT

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