Home owner 2, scumbags zero

WillBrink said:

New Castle County, Delaware
From Wilmington¹s DelawareOnline.com of November 10, 2005

Shootout leaves 1 dead, 1 critically injured
A 60-year-old homeowner exchanged gunfire with two burglary suspects
early this morning in a shootout investigators are still trying to piece
together, New Castle County Police said this morning.
A 911 caller alerted authorities about 12:30 a.m. to a home on Woodward
Avenue, just outside the Elsmere city limits. When they arrived,
investigators found one suspect from the burglary near the home. He had
been shot at least once and was taken to a hospital in critical
condition.

The second burglary suspect wasn¹t found until 8:45 in the bushes of a
home across the street. He was pronounced dead. Investigators found a
gun and a flashlight by the body.
The homeowner was believed to be uninjured. Police were questioning him
this morning. His home was cordoned off as the investigation continued.

This came from an interesting Civilian Gun Self-Defense Blog where there
are many more of these if interested:

http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

Any idea what this is from? - They were playing a 911 call on the talk
show this morning where a female caller had apparently shot and
wounded an intruder in the leg. On the tape you hear her yelling at
the intruder, then a gunshot. The dispatcher says "did you just shoot
him again? You need to stop shooting him ma'am." Awesome! She had
apparently just fired a warning shot though because he was still
pretty "active."

Kudos to her for wounding him instead of shooting to kill, which
apparently was intentional, but with all the crazy litigation these
days sad to say, but i think you're better off killing someone who
breaks into your house.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:16:55 GMT, Slambram
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

New Castle County, Delaware
From Wilmington¹s DelawareOnline.com of November 10, 2005

Shootout leaves 1 dead, 1 critically injured
A 60-year-old homeowner exchanged gunfire with two burglary suspects
early this morning in a shootout investigators are still trying to piece
together, New Castle County Police said this morning.
A 911 caller alerted authorities about 12:30 a.m. to a home on Woodward
Avenue, just outside the Elsmere city limits. When they arrived,
investigators found one suspect from the burglary near the home. He had
been shot at least once and was taken to a hospital in critical
condition.

The second burglary suspect wasn¹t found until 8:45 in the bushes of a
home across the street. He was pronounced dead. Investigators found a
gun and a flashlight by the body.
The homeowner was believed to be uninjured. Police were questioning him
this morning. His home was cordoned off as the investigation continued.

This came from an interesting Civilian Gun Self-Defense Blog where there
are many more of these if interested:

http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

Any idea what this is from? - They were playing a 911 call on the talk
show this morning where a female caller had apparently shot and
wounded an intruder in the leg. On the tape you hear her yelling at
the intruder, then a gunshot. The dispatcher says "did you just shoot
him again? You need to stop shooting him ma'am." Awesome! She had
apparently just fired a warning shot though because he was still
pretty "active."

Kudos to her for wounding him instead of shooting to kill, which
apparently was intentional, but with all the crazy litigation these
days sad to say, but i think you're better off killing someone who
breaks into your house.

Shooting to wound is a VERY BAD thing to do. You shoot to stop! There
is something about shooting to wound that a prosecutor can turn
against you like not "being in fear of great bodily harm or death".

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Slambram said:

The dispatcher says "did you just shoot
him again? You need to stop shooting him ma'am."

LOL, that was funny.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Slambram said:

The dispatcher says "did you just shoot
him again? You need to stop shooting him ma'am."

LOL, that was funny.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Hanson said:

Shooting to wound is a VERY BAD thing to do. You shoot to stop! There
is something about shooting to wound that a prosecutor can turn
against you like not "being in fear of great bodily harm or death".

Like "warning" shots, a bad idea.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Hanson said:

Shooting to wound is a VERY BAD thing to do. You shoot to stop! There
is something about shooting to wound that a prosecutor can turn
against you like not "being in fear of great bodily harm or death".

Like "warning" shots, a bad idea.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Reminds me of a case over east recently. Home invasion with two crims,
one armed with a sword the other with a gun. They cut the power to a
couple's home and when the woman went out to check the fuse box (not too
many places with basements here, the boxes are usually located outside
next to the front door) they assaulted her. They overpowered and tied up
her and her husband. The husband worked himself free, took the sword and
killed one of em and then chopped off at least one of the fingers of the
other crim, who then ran away as fast as his cowardly legs could carry
him. He was caught when he went to seek medical attention for the sword
wounds.

Ari

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:19:24 +0800, spodosaurus

spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

one armed with a sword

I'm innocent I tell ya, innocent!

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spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

Reminds me of a case over east recently. Home invasion with two crims,
one armed with a sword the other with a gun. They cut the power to a
couple's home and when the woman went out to check the fuse box (not too
many places with basements here, the boxes are usually located outside
next to the front door) they assaulted her. They overpowered and tied up
her and her husband. The husband worked himself free, took the sword and
killed one of em and then chopped off at least one of the fingers of the
other crim, who then ran away as fast as his cowardly legs could carry
him. He was caught when he went to seek medical attention for the sword
wounds.

Ari

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

Reminds me of a case over east recently. Home invasion with two crims,
one armed with a sword the other with a gun. They cut the power to a
couple's home and when the woman went out to check the fuse box (not too
many places with basements here, the boxes are usually located outside
next to the front door) they assaulted her. They overpowered and tied up
her and her husband. The husband worked himself free, took the sword and
killed one of em and then chopped off at least one of the fingers of the
other crim, who then ran away as fast as his cowardly legs could carry
him. He was caught when he went to seek medical attention for the sword
wounds.

Ari

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17114699-421,00.html

It got media attention for about 48 hours.

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spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

WillBrink said:

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

Got medieval on his ass.

Now this brings up another point. Say she had gotten a handgun before
going outside to investigate and ended up killing the attackers. What
would happen legally? Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house? Is she not supposed to take her gun outside the house
(assuming a standard permit - no CCW)?

Slambram said:

WillBrink said:

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

Got medieval on his ass.

Now this brings up another point. Say she had gotten a handgun before
going outside to investigate and ended up killing the attackers. What
would happen legally?

In Australia? Nothing good...

Quoted message said:

Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house?

No, she's in trouble because she's a handgun in her possession.

Quoted message said:

Is she not supposed to take her gun outside the house
(assuming a standard permit - no CCW)?

She's not supposed to have a gun here, period.

--
spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:09:20 +0800, spodosaurus

spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

In Australia? Nothing good...

Quoted message said:

Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house?

Whoops. Didn't read the story closely enough. I assumed it was in
the states. Thought it a bit odd the fusebox was outside...

The guy who used the sword must have been Jake from "Once Were
Warriors" then...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:05:08 GMT, Slambram
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

Got medieval on his ass.

Now this brings up another point. Say she had gotten a handgun before
going outside to investigate and ended up killing the attackers. What
would happen legally? Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house? Is she not supposed to take her gun outside the house
(assuming a standard permit - no CCW)?

If she was in fear of great bodily harm or death with no way to
retreat, she should be absolved of any wrongdoing. In some states,
she wouldn't even need to retreat.

John Hanson said:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:05:08 GMT, Slambram
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

Got medieval on his ass.

Now this brings up another point. Say she had gotten a handgun before
going outside to investigate and ended up killing the attackers. What
would happen legally? Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house? Is she not supposed to take her gun outside the house
(assuming a standard permit - no CCW)?

If she was in fear of great bodily harm or death with no way to
retreat, she should be absolved of any wrongdoing. In some states,
she wouldn't even need to retreat.

here in sweden we have strict gunlaws but we have laws to permit you to
use deadly violence when your life is thretened revenge is illegal
but emergency killing is ok there is an odd story about national
guard that was guardeing a weapon depot and police came by, the
guarsds say halt to the police but they didnt stop so they shoot
them in the legs and the was freed in court the just folowed the
military rules

In article <[email hidden]>,

Slambram said:

WillBrink said:

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

Got medieval on his ass.

Now this brings up another point. Say she had gotten a handgun before
going outside to investigate and ended up killing the attackers. What
would happen legally? Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house? Is she not supposed to take her gun outside the house
(assuming a standard permit - no CCW)?

In the US, she would probably be OK. In the UK and down under, she would
probably be screwed. Not sure how it works in other euro countries.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Hanson said:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:05:08 GMT, Slambram
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

Got medieval on his ass.

Now this brings up another point. Say she had gotten a handgun before
going outside to investigate and ended up killing the attackers. What
would happen legally? Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house? Is she not supposed to take her gun outside the house
(assuming a standard permit - no CCW)?

If she was in fear of great bodily harm or death with no way to
retreat, she should be absolved of any wrongdoing. In some states,
she wouldn't even need to retreat.

Many states, even MA, have dropped that 'need to retreat'

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

WillBrink said:

Many states, even MA, have dropped that 'need to retreat'

Correct, and they've dropped the self defense law altogether.

John Hanson said:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:05:08 GMT, Slambram
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

WillBrink said:

That's like something out of Pulp Fiction!

Got medieval on his ass.

Now this brings up another point. Say she had gotten a handgun before
going outside to investigate and ended up killing the attackers. What
would happen legally? Is she in trouble because they never entered
her house? Is she not supposed to take her gun outside the house
(assuming a standard permit - no CCW)?

If she was in fear of great bodily harm or death with no way to
retreat, she should be absolved of any wrongdoing. In some states,
she wouldn't even need to retreat.

Under the standard rule, there is no duty to retreat within one's home
(castle doctrine); however, the assailant must still be an honest and
reasonable belief that one is facing death or grievous bodily harm.

Outside the home, there is usually a duty to retreat, and at the very
least, a duty not to provoke. Shooting somebody in the back or
chasing them down and killing them is never a good move.