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  1. Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any advice at
    all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be big
    enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to be 19"
    frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating that I
    shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    Thanks

  2. "Moorish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any
    advice at all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to be
    19" frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating that
    I shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    Thanks

    Buy second hand.

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    Remove my socks for email address

  3. Tumbleweed said:

    "Moorish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news😄u0Ec.1253$Hb5.960@newsfe1-
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    Quoted message said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any
    advice at all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to be
    19" frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating that
    I shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    Thanks

    Buy second hand.

    Thanks, but that doesn't really help with the dilemma of
    what to buy. Do you have any recommendations?

  4. "Moorish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Tumbleweed said:

    "Moorish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news😄u0Ec.1253$Hb5.960@newsfe1-
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    Quoted message said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any advice
    at all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to
    be 19" frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating
    that I shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    Thanks

    Buy second hand.

    Thanks, but that doesn't really help with the dilemma of
    what to buy. Do you have any recommendations?

    Blimey that was quick!! Sorry dont know anything about
    mountain bikes... but it means you can buy a bike that costs
    twice as much as you thought (ie you can get a £400 one for
    £200) so you can at least size up more expensive bikes. For
    second hand you either have to decide what you want and wait
    or take something that seems OK at the time but isnt exactly
    what you wanted, i'm doing the same for a tourer/hybrid.

    BTW do you really mean a mountain bike, ie are you going to
    be doing lots of off-road?
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  5. Moorish said:

    Thanks, but that doesn't really help with the dilemma of
    what to buy. Do you have any recommendations?

    Have a look in the ad-mag for a few weeks. You get plenty of
    very nice mountain bikes with things like "ridden twice" in
    the ads. Should be spot on. I wouldn't recommend doing what
    I did - buying an ex hire bike. BB was shot, pedal bearings
    shot etc. Made it relatively expensive for what it was
    second hand. My MTB's a Giant, and I like it. That's about
    as much as I know about different makes of bike...

  6. Moorish said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any
    advice at all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to be
    19" frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating that
    I shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    It's best to go and try some out for size. A 19" frame on a
    full mountain bike is about as big as you get. I just tried
    a 21" hybrid which I didn't like, and ended up with a 17"
    (although it has a slanted top tube, so isn't a true 17"😉
    Apollo from Halfords, it was only £130, but the choice I
    made was based on the bike *feeling* right.

    --
    Andy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda
    Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
    thehewitts.plus.comthehewitts.plus.com - now online

  7. Doki said:
    Moorish said:

    Thanks, but that doesn't really help with the dilemma of
    what to buy. Do you have any recommendations?

    Have a look in the ad-mag for a few weeks. You get plenty
    of very nice mountain bikes with things like "ridden
    twice" in the ads. Should be spot on. I wouldn't
    recommend doing what I did - buying an ex hire bike. BB
    was shot, pedal bearings shot etc. Made it relatively
    expensive for what it was second hand. My MTB's a Giant,
    and I like it. That's about as much as I know about
    different makes of bike...

    Private sales are a bit of a no-go for me as I don't have
    transport. I'll take a look into Giant cycles.

    Thanks for the replies thus far people 🙂

  8. "Moorish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Doki said:
    Moorish said:

    Thanks, but that doesn't really help with the dilemma of
    what to buy. Do you have any recommendations?

    Have a look in the ad-mag for a few weeks. You get
    plenty of very nice mountain bikes with things like
    "ridden twice" in the ads. Should be


    spot

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on. I wouldn't recommend doing what I did - buying an ex
    hire bike. BB


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    shot, pedal bearings shot etc. Made it relatively
    expensive for what it


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    second hand. My MTB's a Giant, and I like it. That's
    about as much as I


    know

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    about different makes of bike...

    Private sales are a bit of a no-go for me as I don't have
    transport. I'll take a look into Giant cycles.

    Thanks for the replies thus far people 🙂

    get a bus to where they live, cycle back :-)
    --
    email replies not necessary but to contact use;

    tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

  9. Andy Hewitt said:
    Moorish said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any
    advice at all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to be
    19" frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating that
    I shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    It's best to go and try some out for size. A 19" frame on
    a full mountain bike is about as big as you get. I just
    tried a 21" hybrid which I didn't like, and ended up with
    a 17" (although it has a slanted top tube, so isn't a true
    17"😉 Apollo from Halfords, it was only £130, but the
    choice I made was based on the bike *feeling* right.

    Yeah I intend to go and try some out. Halfords stock both
    Raleigh & Diamondback by the look of it, so I'd like to take
    a look at the two models mentioned in my initial post. I'm
    leaning toward the Diamondback FS20 because it has front
    disc brakes, which I'm told are a lot better.

  10. Moorish said:
    Doki said:
    Moorish said:

    Thanks, but that doesn't really help with the dilemma of
    what to buy. Do you have any recommendations?

    Have a look in the ad-mag for a few weeks. You get
    plenty of very nice mountain bikes with things like
    "ridden twice" in the ads. Should be spot on. I wouldn't
    recommend doing what I did - buying an ex hire bike. BB
    was shot, pedal bearings shot etc. Made it relatively
    expensive for what it was second hand. My MTB's a Giant,
    and I like it. That's about as much as I know about
    different makes of bike...

    Private sales are a bit of a no-go for me as I don't have
    transport. I'll take a look into Giant cycles.

    Thanks for the replies thus far people 🙂

    Just be wary of the second hand stuff though. I have an old
    mountain bike here that would have cost me more to update,
    than I just paid for a new bike that was already fitted with
    the components I was about to buy.

    --
    Andy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda
    Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
    thehewitts.plus.comthehewitts.plus.com - now online

  11. In news:oh1Ec.153$7I6.14@newsfe1-win,
    Moorish <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Andy Hewitt said:
    Moorish said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any advice
    at all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to
    be 19" frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating
    that I shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    It's best to go and try some out for size. A 19" frame on
    a full mountain bike is about as big as you get. I just
    tried a 21" hybrid which I didn't like, and ended up with
    a 17" (although it has a slanted top tube, so isn't a
    true 17"😉 Apollo from Halfords, it was only £130, but the
    choice I made was based on the bike *feeling* right.

    Yeah I intend to go and try some out. Halfords stock both
    Raleigh & Diamondback by the look of it, so I'd like to
    take a look at the two models mentioned in my initial
    post. I'm leaning toward the Diamondback FS20 because it
    has front disc brakes, which I'm told are a lot better.

    You'll only want V brakes at this price point. I can
    guarantee that someone else will pass by with an explanation
    of why disc brakes cost at least £200 in themselves to make
    properly, so I won't elaborate. But ordinary rim brakes have
    all the power you need for normal use (i.e. enough to lift
    the back wheel, even in the wet) unless they're exceedingly
    flimsy, and they're a lot less complicated & thus cheaper,
    so the money will have been spent elsewhere on other
    components which are compromised by price.

    A

  12. On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:51:24 +0100, Moorish <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message oh1Ec.153$7I6.14@newsfe1-win: said:

    Yeah I intend to go and try some out. Halfords stock both
    Raleigh & Diamondback by the look of it, so I'd like to
    take a look at the two models mentioned in my initial post.
    I'm leaning toward the Diamondback FS20 because it has
    front disc brakes, which I'm told are a lot better.

    Cheap disc brakes are every bot as good as cheap rear
    suspension -
    i.e. not very. V-brakes are so powerful you'll not need to
    worry except in the most extreme circumstances,
    especially if you fit Kool Stop pads. Discs are for
    serious downhill, or maybe all weather commuting. Do
    not buy a bike with Magura Julie disc brakes, as they
    suck badly (DAMHIKIJKOK).

    I would say the hierarchy might be:
    - last year's model of a good bike knocked down to your
    price band
    - a lightly-used trade-in
    - a bike from a good manufacturer (Dawes, Trek, Giant
    etc.) ditto

    Second hand bikes in proper bike shops are rarely hopelessly
    out of date, they wil be reasonably recent models on which
    the owner has given som Actual Cash in trade-in. Some shops
    do specialise in second-hand bikes, but those are probably
    not the shops you are visiting.

    My Claud Butler Ravana (see chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk
    - it's the one with the mud) cost £150 IIRC, list was £225.
    It was unmarked, the bloke had ridden it twice and traded it
    for a full-sus thing. I've had it for about four or five
    years and ridden 50 miles towing a trailer bike on it; it
    currently has a couple of thousand miles under its wheels
    and is still in good shape. Great value.

    A cheap new bike tends to be cheap because everything on it
    is cheap, especially the frame. A slightly more expensive
    bike will almost always have a better frame, but cheaper
    components. Which you simply replace as they wear out (if
    they ever do).

    Also, don't forget that you'll need a few quid left over for
    essentials:
    - lights
    - lock
    - mudguards
    - rack
    - panniers
    - tools
    - waterproofs
    - gloves
    - bottle & cage

    For a commuting bike a hybrid is a good choice, for a
    leisure bike for sustrans paths and such a rigid MTB has a
    slight edge. Look for named brand components. You'll see
    levers with "Shimano V-Brake" and then the bike has Tekro
    brakes on it - perfectly normal, but the genuine Shimano V-
    brakes are Much Better if you can find them. That sort of
    thing. See if it has a rivetted chainset, or one where ou
    can replace individual rings (cheap bikes are usually
    rivetted). Does it have Shimano hubs and cassette? Shimano
    front & rear mech? Are they at least Acera, or just "SIS"
    (which is, as the Sheddi would have it, penc[1]).

    Enough already.

    [1] The joys of ROT13.

    Guy
    --
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    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  13. in message <[email hidden]>, Moorish

    (') said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any
    advice at all?

    Look on the second hand market, or save up another hundred
    and fifty. There really are second hand bargains to be had,
    but a new bike at this price point is unlikely to be value
    for money.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to be
    19" frames at the most.

    It Depends. Mountain bike frames are becoming increasingly
    'compact' (in other words top tubes are becoming
    increasingly inclined, so more sloping (mostly newer)
    designs of '19 inch' bikes fit larger people than older,
    less sloping designs. The only way to find out is to try
    it.

    --
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    jasmine.org.uk~simon

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  14. in message <oh1Ec.153$7I6.14@newsfe1-win>, Moorish

    (') said:

    Andy Hewitt wrote:

    Yeah I intend to go and try some out. Halfords stock both
    Raleigh & Diamondback by the look of it, so I'd like to
    take a look at the two models mentioned in my initial
    post. I'm leaning toward the Diamondback FS20 because it
    has front disc brakes, which I'm told are a lot better.

    No no no no no! Do *not* buy a disk brake bike at this price
    point! Good disk brakes (Hopes, for example, or Maguras) are
    a tiny bit better than good V brakes, but they cost about
    £250 a set just for the brakes alone. Cheap disk brakes are
    a lot *worse* than V brakes.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon There's nae Gods, an
    there's precious few heroes but there's plenty on the dole
    in th Land o th Leal; And it's time now, tae sweep the
    future clear o th lies o a past that we know wis never real.

  15. in message <XG0Ec.1417$Dq1.1059@newsfe6-win>, Moorish

    (') said:
    Tumbleweed said:

    "Moorish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news😄u0Ec.1253$Hb5.960@newsfe1-
    gui.server.ntli.net...

    Quoted message said:

    Right, brace yourself.

    I'm looking for a seriously budget mountain bike for
    commuting and hopefully venturing further afield in the
    future. When I say budget, I mean sub 200 quid, which I
    realise is phenomenally tight.

    I was looking at a couple of Raleigh (Motomax) and
    Diamonback (FS20) models - can anyone offer any advice
    at all?

    Also, I'm about 6ft4, is a 19" frame really going to be
    big enough? All of the bikes in my price range seem to be
    19" frames at the most.

    I have read the FAQ and couldn't see anything stating
    that I shouldn't post this, so go easy on us!

    Thanks

    Buy second hand.

    Thanks, but that doesn't really help with the dilemma of
    what to buy. Do you have any recommendations?

    Yes. If you really mean sub-£200, Edinburgh Bicycle Co-op's
    own brand (Cuilin range, for example) are about the cheapest
    reasonably well built and specced mountain bikes available
    in the UK at present.

    If you're buying low end bikes, go for as few features as
    possible - that means that more of your money has gone into
    the frame. Everything else is replaceable and upgradeable,
    but a bad frame is a bad frame for the life of the bike. And
    remember, WEIGHT MATTERS.

    Dawes do decent bikes that come in around the £400 price
    point new; so do Specialized, so do Scott, so do Giant.
    These should hit the second hand market at about half that.
    If buying second hand, particularly an aluminium framed
    bike, check very carefully for any cracks in the frame,
    because a cracked aluminium frame is almost always a write-
    off. Check also that the wheels are true, and that all the
    bearings run well and don't rattle.

    Finally, I've had some excellent bargains off eBay, but you
    are taking a bit of a risk.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon ;; "If I were a Microsoft
    Public Relations person, I would probably ;; be sobbing on a
    desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.

  16. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    in message <oh1Ec.153$7I6.14@newsfe1-win>, Moorish

    (') said:

    Andy Hewitt wrote:

    Yeah I intend to go and try some out. Halfords stock both
    Raleigh & Diamondback by the look of it, so I'd like to
    take a look at the two models mentioned in my initial
    post. I'm leaning toward the Diamondback FS20 because it
    has front disc brakes, which I'm told are a lot better.

    No no no no no! Do *not* buy a disk brake bike at this
    price point! Good disk brakes (Hopes, for example, or
    Maguras) are a tiny bit better than good V brakes, but
    they cost about £250 a set just for the brakes alone.
    Cheap disk brakes are a lot *worse* than V brakes.

    Did I predict this post? Well, did I? I rest my case.

    A

  17. Moorish said:


    Private sales are a bit of a no-go for me as I don't have
    transport.

    Sounds like you need a bicycle. Then they'd be alright.

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