Hot dogs

"Eigenvector" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that
grilling weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this for
my specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything
you get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last
time I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big
chunks of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments.
Hamburger is the same way, too much grisel and bone chips in it for my
liking. I am not overly fond of the dentist, so I try to keep my teeth
relatively intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on. Is it a
practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is going to have
grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it. I understand that meat is
processed off the carcass mechanically now so it stands to reason that
bone and grisel will get into it but surely there must be a hot dog out
there for me that won't ruin my teeth?

Oscar Meyer bun length weiners. NOT franks. They are fab.

"cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Eigenvector" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that
grilling weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this
for my specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food
around. The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that
anything you get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems
like the last time I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3
of them had big chunks of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with
bone fragments. Hamburger is the same way, too much grisel and bone chips
in it for my liking. I am not overly fond of the dentist, so I try to
keep my teeth relatively intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat
doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on. Is it a
practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is going to
have grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it. I understand that meat
is processed off the carcass mechanically now so it stands to reason that
bone and grisel will get into it but surely there must be a hot dog out
there for me that won't ruin my teeth?

Oscar Meyer bun length weiners. NOT franks. They are fab.

Well I splurged and tried some Boar's Head beef franks - we'll see how they
do. It's raining now, so I'll have to wait until tommorrow. After I've
killed that pack I'll shoot for the Oscar Meyer weiners. People seem to
rave about the Boar's Head dogs.

"Eigenvector" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quoted message said:

Oscar Meyer bun length weiners. NOT franks. They are fab.

Well I splurged and tried some Boar's Head beef franks - we'll see how
they do. It's raining now, so I'll have to wait until tommorrow. After
I've killed that pack I'll shoot for the Oscar Meyer weiners. People seem
to rave about the Boar's Head dogs.

I've never had them. The only thing I have noticed about hot dogs is that
the ones labeled "FRANKS" tend to be gristly and greasy, whereas the
ones labeled "WEINERS" have a finer texture, less grease, and that good
hot dog flavor we all like.

Let me know how the Boar's Head are. I like their cold cuts, or the
little tastes I've tried at the grocery. (I don't buy a lot of processed
stuff, though I love it. Nitrites scare me.)

"Eigenvector" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that
grilling weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this for
my specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything
you get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last
time I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big
chunks of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments.

If you have a TJ's in the neighborhood, try the TJ brand, manufactured by
Niman Ranch. Didn't seem to have any gristle or bone chips. Re: burger,
when chuck roasts go on sale, in your town, pick up a couple and grind the
meat yourself, that way you know there won't be any gristle in it.

Harriet & critters

cybercat said:

"Eigenvector" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that
grilling weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over
this for my specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food
around. The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is
that anything you get in the store seems to be terrible in
quality. Seems like the last time I tried to cook out with hot
dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big chunks of grisel in them.
I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments. Hamburger is the same
way, too much grisel and bone chips in it for my liking. I am not
overly fond of the dentist, so I try to keep my teeth relatively
intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on. Is
it a practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is
going to have grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it. I
understand that meat is processed off the carcass mechanically now
so it stands to reason that bone and grisel will get into it but
surely there must be a hot dog out there for me that won't ruin my
teeth?

Oscar Meyer bun length weiners. NOT franks. They are fab.

The OM wieners are pretty nasty these days, being made of mechanically
separated poultry and such. They used to be my favorite.

The franks are all beef, if you like that, but I prefer my dogs made
from pork. I tried some Johnsonville natural casing wieners, all pork.
They aren't too bad.

Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Eigenvector" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that
grilling weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this for
my specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything
you get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last
time I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big
chunks of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments.
Hamburger is the same way, too much grisel and bone chips in it for my
liking. I am not overly fond of the dentist, so I try to keep my teeth
relatively intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on. Is it a
practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is going to have
grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it. I understand that meat is
processed off the carcass mechanically now so it stands to reason that
bone and grisel will get into it but surely there must be a hot dog out
there for me that won't ruin my teeth?

I've never had a bad Hebrew National hot dog, but maybe they're slipping.
Try Sabrett, if you can find them, or Nathan's.

"Default User" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The OM wieners are pretty nasty these days, being made of mechanically
separated poultry and such. They used to be my favorite.

Hmm. It's true I rarely have them, usually just 2-3 times a year.

Quoted message said:

The franks are all beef, if you like that, but I prefer my dogs made
from pork. I tried some Johnsonville natural casing wieners, all pork.
They aren't too bad.

Maybe I'll try them.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Eigenvector said:

Quoted message said:

Oscar Meyer bun length weiners. NOT franks. They are fab.

Well I splurged and tried some Boar's Head beef franks - we'll see how they
do. It's raining now, so I'll have to wait until tommorrow. After I've
killed that pack I'll shoot for the Oscar Meyer weiners. People seem to
rave about the Boar's Head dogs.

If you can get them, try Johnsonville with natural casings. I like
them better than Boar's Head and they weren't overpriced as most B H
products.

DM

Eigenvector said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that grilling
weather is upon us (or me at least)  I wanted to go over this for my
specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything you
get in the store seems to be terrible in quality.  Seems like the last time
I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big chunks
of grisel in them.  I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments.  Hamburger
is the same way, too much grisel and bone chips in it for my liking.  Iam
not overly fond of the dentist, so I try to keep my teeth relatively
intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on.  Is it a
practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is going to have
grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it.  I understand that meat is
processed off the carcass mechanically now so it stands to reason that bone
and grisel will get into it but surely there must be a hot dog out there for
me that won't ruin my teeth?

Ahh, tube steak!

Unless they're in natural casings they're fake... even Hebrew National
no longer makes a real frankfurter, there are no more real kosher
dawgs anymore, gone forever. Not knowing where you live it's
difficult to advise but in many locations you can buy Sabrett, not the
cheap skinless Sabrett, get the pricey ones in natural casings, and
hopefully you'll find the ones sold loose, not those in plastic vacuum
pouches, they're very different recipes.

http://sabrett.com/hotdogs.cfm

Then you need to learn how to cook them. A good natural casing frank
is best slow simmered or steamed, real kosher franfurters are
steamed... never grill a natural casing frank... save the cheapie
skinless tube steaks for the grill. But regardless, you need to stay
alert not to let the franks pop, or all the goodness will be gone.

There are still some local butcher shops that make real natural casing
frankfurters on the premises but you'll need to hunt around, check
your local Yellow Pages for German butchers/delis. But you still need
to test them out, some are very good, others are terrible.

Boar's Head dawgs are great if you can find them sold loose, stay away
from the ones in a plastic vacuum pouch.

Ball Park, Oscar Mayer and their ilk don't qualify as franfurters...
and I don't even want to talk about those made with turkey/chicken,
canned Vienna sausage is better.

Then you need the correct buns and the right mustard... a whole nother
discussion.

There's only one place on the planet where you can get a real griddled
hotdog; Nathan's Coney Island... none of the other Nathans locations
sell the same franks, and the plastic packed ones at the stupidmarket
are awful.

Sheldon

cybercat said:

"Default User" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I tried some Johnsonville natural casing wieners, all
pork. They aren't too bad.

Maybe I'll try them.

I got them on sale, $5 for a 28oz package, regularly $5.50. That
doesn't work to be too bad a price per pound, although it's a fairly
large amount. The wieners are smaller than the bun-length OMs, more
like regular size.

Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Eigenvector said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that grilling
weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this for my
specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything you
get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last time
I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big chunks
of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments.

We've been using Hebrew National for years and have never had any bone
or gristle. Actually I've never encountered mystery stuff in any hot
dogs I've eaten at sporting events, either.

gloria p

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Eigenvector said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that
grilling
weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this for my
specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything
you
get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last time
I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big
chunks
of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments. Hamburger
is the same way, too much grisel and bone chips in it for my liking. I am
not overly fond of the dentist, so I try to keep my teeth relatively
intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on. Is it a
practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is going to have
grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it. I understand that meat is
processed off the carcass mechanically now so it stands to reason that
bone
and grisel will get into it but surely there must be a hot dog out there
for
me that won't ruin my teeth?

Ahh, tube steak!

Unless they're in natural casings they're fake... even Hebrew National
no longer makes a real frankfurter, there are no more real kosher
dawgs anymore, gone forever. Not knowing where you live it's
difficult to advise but in many locations you can buy Sabrett, not the
cheap skinless Sabrett, get the pricey ones in natural casings, and
hopefully you'll find the ones sold loose, not those in plastic vacuum
pouches, they're very different recipes.

http://sabrett.com/hotdogs.cfm

Then you need to learn how to cook them. A good natural casing frank
is best slow simmered or steamed, real kosher franfurters are
steamed... never grill a natural casing frank... save the cheapie
skinless tube steaks for the grill. But regardless, you need to stay
alert not to let the franks pop, or all the goodness will be gone.

There are still some local butcher shops that make real natural casing
frankfurters on the premises but you'll need to hunt around, check
your local Yellow Pages for German butchers/delis. But you still need
to test them out, some are very good, others are terrible.

Boar's Head dawgs are great if you can find them sold loose, stay away
from the ones in a plastic vacuum pouch.

Ball Park, Oscar Mayer and their ilk don't qualify as franfurters...
and I don't even want to talk about those made with turkey/chicken,
canned Vienna sausage is better.

Then you need the correct buns and the right mustard... a whole nother
discussion.

There's only one place on the planet where you can get a real griddled
hotdog; Nathan's Coney Island... none of the other Nathans locations
sell the same franks, and the plastic packed ones at the stupidmarket
are awful.

Sheldon

I happen to like Vienna sausage, in moderation of course. More than a can
gives me a terrible upset stomach.

So what's wrong with the Boar's Head in a bag?

"Eigenvector" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that
grilling weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this for
my specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything
you get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last
time I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big
chunks of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments.
Hamburger is the same way, too much grisel and bone chips in it for my
liking. I am not overly fond of the dentist, so I try to keep my teeth
relatively intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on. Is it a
practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is going to have
grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it. I understand that meat is
processed off the carcass mechanically now so it stands to reason that
bone and grisel will get into it but surely there must be a hot dog out
there for me that won't ruin my teeth?

There is a reason that in National Lampoon's Family Vacation Mommy Raccoon
told Baby Raccoon not to eat them....".they're all made with lips and
[censored]."
-ginny

Eigenvector said:

Quoted message said:

Sheldon

I happen to like Vienna sausage, in moderation of course.  More than a can
gives me a terrible upset stomach.

I like vienna sausage too, not the chicken ones, I also like canned
Spam. But those are not frankfurters.

Quoted message said:

So what's wrong with the Boar's Head in a bag.

They're not terrible but they're not good either... they're a whole
different recipe... and since they are intended to have a longer shelf
life all the hotdogs in vacuum pack plastic bags contain a lot more
preservatives than loose frankfurters. Loose natural casing dawgs are
the best, but they are highly perishable... 'bout five days in the
fridge yoose better cook em... and NEVER freeze a natural casing
frankfurter.

Btw, with sausage making equipment, a food processor, and a smoker you
can also make your own frankfurters.

And as to your sad burgers... there's only one way to great burgers,
you need to grind your own meat.

Sheldon

Sheldon said:

Ahh, tube steak!

Unless they're in natural casings they're fake... even Hebrew National
no longer makes a real frankfurter, there are no more real kosher
dawgs anymore, gone forever.

http://sabrett.com/hotdogs.cfm

Then you need to learn how to cook them. A good natural casing frank
is best slow simmered or steamed, real kosher franfurters are
steamed... never grill a natural casing frank... save the cheapie
skinless tube steaks for the grill. But regardless, you need to stay
alert not to let the franks pop, or all the goodness will be gone.

Quoted message said:

Boar's Head dawgs are great if you can find them sold loose, stay away
from the ones in a plastic vacuum pouch.

Quoted message said:

Then you need the correct buns and the right mustard... a whole nother
discussion.

There's only one place on the planet where you can get a real griddled
hotdog; Nathan's Coney Island... none of the other Nathans locations
sell the same franks, and the plastic packed ones at the stupidmarket
are awful.

Sheldon

I like the dog! The discussion on the proper bun and right mustard would
be a good one. Never see the Boar's Head loose ones. The shrink wrap ones
we have are about 6$ for 5 dogs. The dog places I have been to in NY do
the dawgs on the griddle I think, and they were in the natural casing. In
TX.. chili dog is big but the chili is usually bad. I like sauerkraut. We
see Sabrett, Hebrew National and Nathan's but not the good ones in the
natural casing much less singles.

jay

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Eigenvector said:

Quoted message said:

Sheldon

I happen to like Vienna sausage, in moderation of course. More than a can
gives me a terrible upset stomach.

I like vienna sausage too, not the chicken ones, I also like canned
Spam. But those are not frankfurters.

Quoted message said:

So what's wrong with the Boar's Head in a bag.

They're not terrible but they're not good either... they're a whole
different recipe... and since they are intended to have a longer shelf
life all the hotdogs in vacuum pack plastic bags contain a lot more
preservatives than loose frankfurters. Loose natural casing dawgs are
the best, but they are highly perishable... 'bout five days in the
fridge yoose better cook em... and NEVER freeze a natural casing
frankfurter.

Btw, with sausage making equipment, a food processor, and a smoker you
can also make your own frankfurters.

And as to your sad burgers... there's only one way to great burgers,
you need to grind your own meat.

Sheldon

Well I'm not about to try grinding my own hot dogs, but what the heck I can
try my hand at making hamburgers - at least then I won't have to worry about
breaking a tooth on a chunk of bone or have to stomach a McBurger ever
again.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Eigenvector said:

Yeah I know not the most gourmet meal in the universe, but now that grilling
weather is upon us (or me at least) I wanted to go over this for my
specific food related problem.

Beef, and my beef with it.

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything you
get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last time
I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big chunks
of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments. Hamburger
is the same way, too much grisel and bone chips in it for my liking. I am
not overly fond of the dentist, so I try to keep my teeth relatively
intact - bone chips and grisel in the meat doesn't help.

So I'm looking for help here or at least a shoulder to cry on. Is it a
practical guarentee that any hot dog you buy in the store is going to have
grisel, bone, or other inedible parts in it. I understand that meat is
processed off the carcass mechanically now so it stands to reason that bone
and grisel will get into it but surely there must be a hot dog out there for
me that won't ruin my teeth?

Over the weekend, I just had some ground turkey that had bone chips in
it. Ugh! Product quality in this regard seems to be slipping, I agree.
I've had this kind of thing turn up in those little frozen lunch entrées
too.

"Donald Martinich" <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

If you can get them, try Johnsonville with natural casings. I like
them better than Boar's Head and they weren't overpriced as most B H
products.

THAT's why I have never bought Boar's Head hot dogs.

Eigenvector said:

I like hot dogs, seems like they're the most maintenance free food around.
The only problem I have with them, and meat in general is that anything you
get in the store seems to be terrible in quality. Seems like the last time
I tried to cook out with hot dogs (Hebrew National) 3 of them had big chunks
of grisel in them. I had Oscar Meyer dogs with bone fragments. Hamburger

Hey, isn't Grisel one of the kids in "Sound Of Music"? Or was she the
one that went out in the woods with Hansel and...uh...cooked a witch or
something? 😉

--
Blinky T. "no bones, all gristle" Shark