How can tires ride "harsh"?

Some tyres transmit vibration more than others despite being of similar
section and obvious construction. Most obvious are those with an anti
puncture strip/belt where no matter what usable pressure they are run at
they still ride harsh. I have a pair of Specialized SK4 where the moulding
pips in the centre of the front tyre are yet to wear away. They are so
harsh I doubt I had ridden 500miles before storage.
TJ

Trevor Jeffrey said:

Some tyres transmit vibration more than others despite being of similar
section and obvious construction. Most obvious are those with an anti
puncture strip/belt where no matter what usable pressure they are run at
they still ride harsh. I have a pair of Specialized SK4 where the moulding
pips in the centre of the front tyre are yet to wear away. They are so
harsh I doubt I had ridden 500miles before storage.

Agreed. I had some Specialized 27" kevlar-belted tyres and also found
them incredibly jarring. They had hardly any grip in the wet, either
because the compound was too hard or because the carcass wasn't pliable
enough for good roadholding.

Tires can NOT ride 'harsh'.

They might ride 'harshly', in which case you may have 'harsh words for them.

Hoping this will help you.

Lewis.

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[email hidden] (George Herbert Walker) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Greetings from Bar and the family.

As you know little George had another accident on his bicycle, and we are
going to buy him new tires for his vacation.

We hear a lot about tires that ride "harsh" or are "plush". And feeling
them in the store, obviously some can be flexed very easily (ex: Pasela,
Roadwinner, Grand Prix), while others are very stiff (extreme for a road
tire: Vittoria Randonneur with reflective sidewalls).

Yet, in comparision with the force of a big bump, this difference in
flexibility is minor, even trivial. Furthermore, the extra resistance
offered is viscoelastic, and so should feel "plush" anyway. So how can one
tire- let's stick to reasonably lightweight road tires here, up to at most
a Randonneur or a Top Touring- ride harsher than another?

Obviously for big impacts, there can't be any worse harshness for the
stiffer tire. The only possibility that seems open is for small repetitive
impacts, e.g. vibration-like, on the order of road buzz. There, the time
constant for a stiff tire might be such that it can't stay in sync with the
buzz, leading to a busy ride.

If so, isn't "harshness" a misnomer, and shouldn't we be talking about a
"busy" or "buzzy" ride, given that any serious single impacts will be
handled just as plushly, in fact more so, by a relatively stiff tire, as by
a supple one?

In other words, isn't this stuff about tire "harshness" all just a
left-wing liberal commie pinko Godless America-hating Castro-loving
Democratic Party plot?

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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

Please excuse the inconvenience allegedly caused by our son. Send
us the bill for all the damages, and we can settle this to your
satisfaction, without any need for a public record of the incident.

Most Sincerely, George and Bar

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On 2 Aug 2004 13:58:58 -0700, [email hidden] (Lewis

Campbell) said:

Tires can NOT ride 'harsh'.

They might ride 'harshly', in which case you may have 'harsh words for them.

Hoping this will help you.

Lewis.

Dear Lewis,

Dude, you're harshing on my mellow.

G.B. Trudeau

Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<410e71e8.0@entanet>...

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Trevor Jeffrey said:

Some tyres transmit vibration more than others despite being of similar
section and obvious construction. Most obvious are those with an anti
puncture strip/belt where no matter what usable pressure they are run at
they still ride harsh. I have a pair of Specialized SK4 where the moulding
pips in the centre of the front tyre are yet to wear away. They are so
harsh I doubt I had ridden 500miles before storage.

Agreed. I had some Specialized 27" kevlar-belted tyres and also found
them incredibly jarring. They had hardly any grip in the wet, either
because the compound was too hard or because the carcass wasn't pliable
enough for good roadholding.

Is your tire dead? Otherwise, it couldn't be a "carcass". Perhaps
you mean, "casing"?

Robin Hubert

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Trevor Jeffrey said:

Some tyres transmit vibration more than others despite being of

similar

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section and obvious construction. Most obvious are those with an anti
puncture strip/belt where no matter what usable pressure they are run

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they still ride harsh. I have a pair of Specialized SK4 where the

moulding

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pips in the centre of the front tyre are yet to wear away. They are

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harsh I doubt I had ridden 500miles before storage.

Agreed. I had some Specialized 27" kevlar-belted tyres and also found
them incredibly jarring. They had hardly any grip in the wet, either
because the compound was too hard or because the carcass wasn't pliable
enough for good roadholding.

Is your tire dead? Otherwise, it couldn't be a "carcass". Perhaps
you mean, "casing"?

Robin Hubert

Carcass
1.. The dead body of an animal, especially one slaughtered for food.
2.. The body of a human.
3.. Remains from which the substance or character is gone: the carcass of
a once glorious empire.
4.. A framework or basic structure: the carcass of a burned-out building.
In this case he could be referring to 4, the basic structure of the tyre.

Marty

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Dude, you're harshing on my mellow.

G.B. Trudeau

Beautiful. I'll have to remember that one.

--
Benjamin Lewis

Verbing weirds language. -- Calvin

[email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Tires can NOT ride 'harsh'.

They might ride 'harshly', in which case you may have 'harsh words for them.

Hoping this will help you.

Lewis.

Since you're lecturing other people on grammar, perhaps you know what
you're talking about, but I'm not convinced. To me, "the tires ride
harshly" conveys the idea that it's the tires doing the riding,
whereas the OP was trying to convey the idea that the tires are harsh
in their ride. Do you also think "the stars shine bright" should be
"the stars shine brightly"?

On 4 Aug 2004 04:57:53 -0700, [email hidden] (Gary

Young) said:

[email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Tires can NOT ride 'harsh'.

They might ride 'harshly', in which case you may have 'harsh words for them.

Hoping this will help you.

Lewis.

Since you're lecturing other people on grammar, perhaps you know what
you're talking about, but I'm not convinced. To me, "the tires ride
harshly" conveys the idea that it's the tires doing the riding,
whereas the OP was trying to convey the idea that the tires are harsh
in their ride. Do you also think "the stars shine bright" should be
"the stars shine brightly"?

Dear Gary,

Oh, holy night, the stars are brightly shining . . .

J.S. Dwight

"Lewis Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tires can NOT ride 'harsh'.

They might ride 'harshly', in which case you may have 'harsh words for

them.

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Hoping this will help you.

Lewis.

Lewis -

So, do you 'think big' or 'think largely'?

Just curious...

Thanks for taking the time to think about this.

Here in Texas _I_ would say (and I think your English teacher from
college would agree) "the stars shine brightly".

However, this being Texas, I think it fair to say that most of my
friends would say, "the stars shine bright". YIKES!!!!!

Kind regards.

Lewis.

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[email hidden] (Gary Young) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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[email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Tires can NOT ride 'harsh'.

They might ride 'harshly', in which case you may have 'harsh words for them.

Hoping this will help you.

Lewis.

Since you're lecturing other people on grammar, perhaps you know what
you're talking about, but I'm not convinced. To me, "the tires ride
harshly" conveys the idea that it's the tires doing the riding,
whereas the OP was trying to convey the idea that the tires are harsh
in their ride. Do you also think "the stars shine bright" should be
"the stars shine brightly"?

[email hidden] (Gary Young) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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[email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Tires can NOT ride 'harsh'.

They might ride 'harshly', in which case you may have 'harsh words for them.

Hoping this will help you.

Lewis.

Since you're lecturing other people on grammar, perhaps you know what
you're talking about, but I'm not convinced. To me, "the tires ride
harshly" conveys the idea that it's the tires doing the riding,
whereas the OP was trying to convey the idea that the tires are harsh
in their ride. Do you also think "the stars shine bright" should be
"the stars shine brightly"?

I just consulted English Grammar, by George O. Curme ("Late Professor
of Germanic Philology, Northwestern University"😉, copyright 1947 (in
other words, no post-6Os generation grammatical slacker).

According to Prof. Curme, some adverbs "have in part no distinctive
form, as in here, there, then, where, when, why, long, slow, fast,
quick, etc." To this list, I personally would add "harsh."

Other adverbs "have the distinctive suffix -ly, as in rapidly,
diligently, etc., also often in case of some of the words in the first
group, which now have a more common form in -ly alongside their simple
form, as in slowly, quickly, etc."

He goes on to say that where an adverb has both a simple form and an
-ly form, the meaning is sometimes different. "'He works hard,' but 'I
could hardly hear him.'"

Though "harshly" sounds wrong to my ear, it seems either harsh or
harshly is correct.

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Dear Gary,

Oh, holy night, the stars are brightly shining . . .

J.S. Dwight

Dear Carl,

The Sun came up upon the left,
Out of the sea came he!
And he shone bright, and on the right
Went down into the sea.

Samuel Taylor Coleridge

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Dear Gary,

Oh, holy night, the stars are brightly shining . . .

J.S. Dwight

Dear Carl,

The Sun came up upon the left,
Out of the sea came he!
And he shone bright, and on the right
Went down into the sea.

Samuel Taylor Coleridge

O the moon shone bright on Mrs. Porter
And on her daughter
They wash their feet in soda water
Et, O ces voix d'enfants, chantant dans la coupole!

T.S. Eliot or g.daniels, I forget which.

Poets are often lousy examples of proper usage, since many (most)
avail themselves of the "poetic license" clause which allows them to
commit any linguistic crime in the name of rhyme or meter. Only our
own Limericker Emeritus, Carl Fogel has proven to be above such
liberties. Other poets are as likely to mix adjectives for adverbs as
many rbt'ers are to cavalierly mix the snap-connector from one chain
mfr. with the links of another.

-------------------------------
John Dacey
Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
Since 1983
Our catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996.
http://www.businesscycles.com

Indeed, I take issue with Mr. Campbell's grammar lesson as well.

A very simplistic view of English grammar is that every word that appears to
modify a verb must be an adverb. In fact, there is a class of "linking"
verbs that
link subject with complement. At first glance, it may appear that the
complement
modifes the verb, but the modification is essentially shared between subject
and
verb, with the nod given to the subject. Bottom line: with linking verbs
the
complement is an adjective, not an adverb, because it modifies the subject,
a noun.

If you know what to search for (a Catch-22 for sure), you can find many
references
to this on the Web. For example, at
www.grammartips.homestead.com/badly.html
the example, "The food smells good." (not "The food smells well" or
"goodly", etc.)
and at www.grammartips.homestead.com/badly.html the example, "I feel sad."
(not
"I feel sadly."😉. Does "sad" describe feel? No, grammarians say that "sad"
describes
I; that verbs like 'feel' and 'smell' are like 'is' in that sense.

While the verb 'ride' can be transitive or intransitive, it can also be a
linking verb, and
is as used by Mr. Walker.

In my humble opinion, Mr. Campbell owes Mr. Walker an apology.

I hope this helps him.

Regards,
Ralph

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[email hidden] (Lewis Campbell) wrote in message

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Since you're lecturing other people on grammar, perhaps you know what
you're talking about, but I'm not convinced. To me, "the tires ride
harshly" conveys the idea that it's the tires doing the riding,
whereas the OP was trying to convey the idea that the tires are harsh
in their ride. Do you also think "the stars shine bright" should be
"the stars shine brightly"?