How do you go so fast on coker.

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What's the secret?

Pedal fast. 🙄

Just kidding. I am not a fast rider. I ride as fast as is comfortable
for me and that is not very fast by many standards.

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what crank length are you running?

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I ride 125 cranks on both 29" and 36".

I have a set of 104 but don't feel comfortable for uphill climbs.
Since fredericton is built on a hill the 104 arn't ideal for the job.

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What is your max speed? today I went on a ride on an old railroad bed
and I averaged around 15km/h (slight downhill on the way there, slight
uphill on the way back) but I had a max of 33.3km/h.
I am also amazed when I see similar numbers but in mph by people on
their RTL qualifying reports.

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Get 110's or 114's ASAP, best investment ever, they probably won't speed
you up a ton but if you are used to 125's then you will love the 114's.
I switched over without noticing any hinderence in performance, only
increase in speed and ease of use.

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Qu-AX 114s are probably the best cranks you can use on a 36er.

125 Qu-Ax are the most versatile though.

The secret to going fast is efficient spinning. Spin fast and
efficient and you will increase your speed. Concentrate on spinning
faster, it will take effort at first, but then it becomes natural.

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It really just comes down to how lightly you can spin and how smoothly
you can ride, so as to correct minor tips as easily and infrequently as
possible. Once you get to where you can spin really really quickly, you
might notice that you're capable of riding at your slower speeds while
barely putting any pressure on the pedals at all; methinks you need to
be able to do that in order to keep your tolerances tight enough to
where you can spin really fast and still maintain your line and your
steadiness.

Also, I love riding with my feet really far back on the pedals, so I
can use the bend in my ankle (calf muscle) to absorb some of the motion
so I don't have to bounce my thighs up and down quite so far. (I use
102 cranks)

I'd really recommend the 114s. 102s are the longest I'd want to go for
anything flat, but there are some hills around here, and 125s felt too
long even for them.

Just go out and ride and have fun; you'll get faster even if you just
do that! 🙂

Oh, I keep my seat pretty high, too. My legs come very close to totally
straight when I ride with the centers of my feet on the pedals, and I
can relax them to the right extension by riding with my toes/footballs
on the pedals.

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I ride 125s (though as soon as my coker's out of the shop, I'll switch
to 114s) and I probably average 20 kilometers over some rollling hills.
I once clocked my top speed (and this was years ago) on a slight
decline at 18 mph (I think that's about 29 or 30 kph) and I believe
that was actually on longer cranks.

To maintain speed up hills, it's a matter of experience to maintain
your balance, and leg strength to keep the wheel spinning.

On flat ground, I don't know. Whatever they said.

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Saddle time leads to confidence leads to the ability to go faster for
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If you live somewhere hilly, the biggest speed improvement you can get
is quite likely by riding faster on the downhills. Fitting a brake
helps a lot with that if you haven't already.

Riding fast on downhills is a matter of getting over the fear mainly,
and letting the pedals spin your legs round. I'm rubbish at it, I don't
like going faster than about 18, but that is how most people get the
big >20mph speeds.

Doing the fast downhills improves your spinning technique anyway,
you'll get better on the flat from learning downhills. Uphills are just
a matter of practice practice practice, like everything else.

Having said that, a few riders out there can ride 20mph for a bit on
the flat, which is insane. Typically with quite short cranks.

I don't remember averaging over 10mph on my coker until I'd ridden
probably 1000 miles / 1600km or more. I was riding 12 miles a day to
work at that time, so doing a lot of training.

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I'm no speedster on my coker. I seem to have a top speed barrier at
just over 15mph - how ever fast I think I've ridden my top speed is
always the same. I think it's mostly just me being chicken because I
can spin faster rpm on my 26", but the coker just feels less stable (I
know it should be *more* stable in theory but that's how it feels).

I've always used 150s on it so far because it's quite hilly round here
and I tend to ride a lot of light cross-country in preference to road.
I'm going to try the 127s off my 20" and see how I get on - presumably
I'll be slower for a bit until I get used to the control, then
hopefully a bit faster due to easier spinning.

I'm amazed by people who can ride at 20mph+ without falling off - huge
amount of skill.

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I've been doing weekly intervals with a couple of local Coker speed
demons (steveyo and rolandisimo). Over the past few weeks we've all
seen our ability to spin increase. My speed has increase by about 1mph
over the past 6 weeks. For me it's a matter of confidence (time in the
saddle).

I'd recommend finding a relatively flat circuit (no hill climbs) with
little traffic and start out with 8 sets of 3 minutes on (spin as fast
as you can) and 1.5 minutes off (ride slowly to recover). Repeat until
you completed 8 sets. Don't forget to do a 10-15 minutes warm-up and
cool-down.

After a couple of weeks, up the time so you are riding to 4 minutes on
and 2 minutes off for 8 sets.

At some point, you'll probably be able to switch your goal from time to
distance. So... instead of 4 minutes on, you'll do 1.5 - 2 miles on
with a 2 minute rest.

Give it a try for a couple of weeks. Try to do the intervals twice a
week. I'm willing to bet you'll see a significant improvement.

BTW: I ride with 125s

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joemarshall said:

Having said that, a few riders out there can ride 20mph for a bit on
the flat, which is insane. Typically with quite short cranks.

Joe

...or with a geared 36'er + 150mm cranks. I rode to work today and
averaged 20 mph for quite a long time.

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The main trick to riding fast is to not back pedal. In other words,
don't slow down with your legs. Do all your slowing down with a brake
(if required), and ideally, just "go with the flow" and spin as fast as
the wheel wants to go. I prefer 125's when non geared, and 150's when
geared.

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Stop riding in the snow. I think that'll speed you right up! 😄

Obviously, smooth roads make a difference. The rougher your
route/roads, the less you'll want to push it. What might help is
practicing sprints on smaller unicycles. Back in the old days (before
there were Cokers), all unicycle racing was on 24" wheels (with 125mm
cranks). We learned to pedal really, really fast on those. I used to be
able to hit 17.5 mph on my 24". Now I can finally do it on my Coker,
and for longer stretches, but I'm not comfortable doing it.

Because of my semi-healed collar bone, I haven't been pushing for high
speeds at all. I've only been working on high *average* speeds. What
kind of speeds can I manage for a whole ride, or for several miles?
That is hopefully building me a nice, strong, useful foundation of
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+1 on the smooth roads. For me, bumps mean a 15mph speed limit! Rough
roads aren't bad, because 36" is so big, but bumps, like small
tree-roots under the concrete or something, are just horrible.

also, a huge +1 on Corbin's comment about just going with the flow. You
can kind of use your body as a "gas pedal" and when you're going with
the flow, you just tilt yourself forward a little bit, and you'll
accelerate without really thinking about pressing harder on the pedals,
like your legs are just spinning automagically, putting in power as
necessary, but never taking it out (i.e. don't lean back!). Obviously,
this only works to a point, but it'll get you up to 19-20-21mph if you
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A lot of the "speed" claims are similar to, "the fish I caught was THIS
BIG!" 🙄

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This is an informative thread! Question for you fast guys...does the q
factor have much influence? As in would you rather have short 102
cranks that are steel and heavy with little q factor or 102 cranks in a
light alloy that have a bigger q factor?

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On a pair of 102s the weight difference between steel and alloy is
probably pretty minimal, especially in relation to a heavy Coker-type
wheel. Currently I'm riding with some beautiful, alloy Qu-ax 114s, but
eventually I will probably settle on 110s. My pair is ugly black steel
(also straight).

For me, I prefer the lower Q, but that may be more of a personal
preference than anything else. I'm getting ready to shuffle around the
pieces from my new & old Cokers to make the best possible RTL machine
out of them. Mostly this will be the new Big One with whatever seat and
handlebar setup I can get working on there. Then I'll see how I like
the narrow hub on my old Coker vs. the new, wider one. I don't think
I'll notice much difference, at least with straight cranks. The Coker
cranks have some q.

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