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  1. Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I was
    told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike. Should I
    use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where I
    could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the bike
    will be left at the same plaza for the most part of the day,
    week, and year. Any good security strategy for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

  2. Steven Chan said:

    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    i do the same thing .. same place, every day. the ny chain
    is a boat anchor, btw. what i do is park it in front of a
    coffee shop or other high traffic area (u-lock the frame and
    rear wheel to the rack and the front wheel to the u-lock via
    a cable) and if you leave the lock locked to the rack
    overnight the weight doesn't matter so much. so buy that ny
    chain if you want.
    --
    david reuteler [email hidden]

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Steven Chan) said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

    I think this URL provides a good starting point regarding
    bike security:
    biketracks.combiketheftframe.html

    In addition, I'll suggest not locking to street signs that
    are held down by a bolt in a metal collar embedded in the
    sidewalk (a lot of 'No Parking' signs are like that.) It's
    easy for a thief to undo the bolt and simply pull the
    whole signpost through the lock. Likewise, wooden fence
    pickets are easily kicked-off. Parking meters are
    generally secure things to lock to; more so than some of
    the bike racks I've seen.

    cheers, Tom

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  4. (Steven Chan) said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

    May I suggest you spare your expensive road bike and get a
    refurbed, used, or 'beater bike'? Unless you're biking a lo-o-
    ng way to the lock up, and that is how you plan to do your
    major bike riding, in which case you'll want to ride your
    good bike; then, with the beater, use the method David
    suggests. The bike will be there when you come back, but in
    addition, you'll have much greater peace of mind.

    Even though it's locked up, I'd be worried about damage,
    accidental or intentional, not to mention exposure to
    the elements.

    -Badger

  5. (Tom Keats) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Steven Chan) said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

    I think this URL provides a good starting point regarding
    bike security:
    biketracks.combiketheftframe.html

    Good link! I'm wondering how many people follow the advice
    to 'bring your bike with you'?

    Mine is now easily luggable, and I've been thinking, would
    the 7-11 really mind if you rolled it in the store to get
    coffee, or the dept store care if you carried it with you to
    buy those sunglasses, as long as you weren't too clumsy, and
    the bike wasn't mud-caked or anything?

    Anybody in the ng who brings it along into stores?
    Experiences?

    -Badger

  6. I take the bike into the store with me. If they object I
    just tell them "See ya, the store down the street doesn't
    mind." You can only lock up so much of the bike. With a
    quick adjust seat post, somebody with a bad attitude
    could steal just your seat/saddle, which would mess up
    your ride home. Even if I take my kids for fast food on
    bikes I make sure they are in sight at all times. Kids
    and bikes both. Bill

    Badger_South said:

    On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:18:46 -0700, [email hidden]

    (Tom Keats) said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    (Steven Chan) said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How
    about Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it
    alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

    I think this URL provides a good starting point regarding
    bike security:
    biketracks.combiketheftframe.html

    Good link! I'm wondering how many people follow the advice
    to 'bring your bike with you'?

    Mine is now easily luggable, and I've been thinking, would
    the 7-11 really mind if you rolled it in the store to get
    coffee, or the dept store care if you carried it with you
    to buy those sunglasses, as long as you weren't too
    clumsy, and the bike wasn't mud-caked or anything?

    Anybody in the ng who brings it along into stores?
    Experiences?

    -Badger

    --
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    opera.comm2

  7. I would never use a cable. They are too easy to cut.

    I use a Citadel U-Lock to lock the rear wheel and the frame
    to something secure, parking meters are great, or other
    tough poles that can't be removed, broken or slid out of. I
    use a cheap Bell U-Lock (12$ at Wall Mart) to lock my front
    wheel to the frame.

    Kinda heavy but I only carry them along if I know I will
    have to lock somewhere... for example when I go to work or
    when I go shopping. For training and riding they stay home
    and the bike never leaves my sight.

    As for a huge chain... remember the weakest link... the lock
    itself is probably easier to break or cut than a U-Lock so I
    would not use that.

    "Steven Chan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

  8. Steven Chan said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    I suggest not to use the chain alone, but in addition to
    a U-lock. Look where you will park your bike and check
    the other ones, are they cheaper, better, and what kind
    of lock do they have. If they all have one U-lock and you
    have a chain, a thief will go for the chain. So if they
    all have one U-lock, put 2 locks, a U-lock and a chain,
    it will require more tools, one for the chain and one for
    the U-lock.

    Personally, maybe you'll say I'm paranoid, I use 2 locks, a
    U-lock and the chain, and usin them properly, meaning a hard
    access to the keylock and filling the U-lock as much as I
    can and having the chain as tight as possible and when going
    for a while, I also bring my front wheel with
    me. There are less chances that a thief will go for the 2
    locks on my bike and antoher lock on another bike to
    get a wheel to put on mine, and all that in a busy
    spot. It's not impossible, but I put the probability
    on my side.

  9. Bill said:

    I take the bike into the store with me. If they object I
    just tell them "See ya, the store down the street
    doesn't mind."

    hmm, maybe some day i'll try that at work.
    --
    david reuteler [email hidden]

  10. Bill said:

    I take the bike into the store with me. If they object I
    just tell them "See ya, the store down the street doesn't
    mind." You can only lock up so much of the bike. With a
    quick adjust seat post, somebody with a bad attitude
    could steal just your seat/saddle, which would mess up
    your ride home.

    Buy that three foot small diameter cable you see in the bike
    shops to loop your seat spring rails with one end and the
    other to your lock. No, it's not -completely- safe, but does
    stop the casual bad attitude thief from just walking off
    with the seat without having to work for it.

    Quoted message said:

    Even if I take my kids for fast food on bikes I make sure
    they are in sight at all times. Kids and bikes both. Bill

    --

    -TTFN

    -Steven

  11. (Steven Chan) said:

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Most decent bikes would be underprotected with only an
    unarmored cable lock. Such a lock will only prevent an
    opportunistic theft (though that is the nature of most bike
    thefts IMO). A relatively cheap, relatively small cutting
    tool can snip through a small-diameter cable in one try.

    One essential piece of background you left out is, what sort
    of bike are you locking up? If it's a '70s ten-speed that
    looks like you dredged it out of the river, or a 73cm frame
    with a twin-cable Sturmey Archer hub and upside-down drop
    bars, or a recumbent, then any lock that's visible will
    probably do fine. (Though I've noticed that somebody _will_
    steal a bike of zero to negative worth if it's not locked at
    all.) Many city riders crust up their bikes with stickers or
    "personalized" paint in the interest of making them less
    marketable, and this is a valid approach-- after all, it's
    likely to work even if somebody breaks into your house.

    I have a bike called "the X-plane", which is a Schwinn
    Varsity frame with a 24" coaster brake wheel in the rear,
    and a long rod extending out where the fork used to be. This
    rod pivots on a couple of tapered roller bearings affixed to
    a 3-foot-wide axle with a plastic BMX wheel on each end. So
    you can turn the front wheels, see, and the bike leans
    freely side to side, but the front axle remains level. Did I
    mention it's difficult to ride? 'Cause it's difficult to
    ride. I never lock this bike-- I reckon that the thief isn't
    up to tackle the learning curve, that watching someone
    attempt a getaway would be pretty good entertainment, and
    that I could probably receive running updates as to its
    whereabouts if it went missing.

    If you succumbed to conspicuous trendiness when you bought
    your bike, well... you've got the kind of bike preferred by
    bike-thieving scum! So adorn that carbon-clad plaything with
    a couple of five-pound locks and laugh-- the joke's on you.
    Leave it sitting long enough, and someone will probably
    relieve you of your overpriced but oh-so-chic componentry.

    I got my first armored cable lock in 1989 or so, when the
    Cobralinks Jr. hit the shelves, and I've never had occasion
    to worry about my bike when thus locked. One major benefit
    of a relatively long armored cable (that first one was 42"😉
    is that you can lock to a tree, or a light pole, or any
    number of other things a U-lock will not help you with. That
    opens up the number of available spots as well as the
    likelihood that you can keep an eye on your bike.

    The several times that I or one of my loved ones has lost a
    bike, it was either unlocked (inside or outside the house or
    on the car) or poorly locked (front wheel only).

    Chalo Colina

  12. [email hidden] (Steven Chan) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How about
    Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

    Remove the front wheel. Loop the 'U' part of a U lock
    through both wheels, the seat tube, and a sturdy metal
    upright like a parking meter. If clearances are tight you
    can also loop through both wheels and the sturdy metal
    upright as long as everything is within the rear triangle. I
    prefer to get at least some part of the frame within the
    loop even if it's just the seat stay.

    You can leave the lock at your commute point but pay
    attention to how smooth it's action is if you leave it
    exposed to weather. There's nothing worse than having your
    lock freeze while you bike is still locked up.

    Well travelled and well lit is better than not, but out of
    sight and out of mind is best of all. I mean that off the
    street and indoors is the absolute safest storage and
    locking up outside is a necessary evil. Ugly and dirty is
    better than pretty and shiny. If there's a manned security
    station try to lock up near it.

    Don't leave frame pumps, tool bags, computers or lights.
    This stuff will be liberated by people who have absolutely
    no what it is or why they want
    it. They will take it regardless.

    -Mike

  13. Badger_South <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:18:46 -0700, [email hidden]

    (Tom Keats) said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    (Steven Chan) said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How
    about Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it
    alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

    I think this URL provides a good starting point regarding
    bike security:
    biketracks.combiketheftframe.html

    Good link! I'm wondering how many people follow the advice
    to 'bring your bike with you'?

    Mine is now easily luggable, and I've been thinking, would
    the 7-11 really mind if you rolled it in the store to get
    coffee, or the dept store care if you carried it with you
    to buy those sunglasses, as long as you weren't too
    clumsy, and the bike wasn't mud-caked or anything?

    Anybody in the ng who brings it along into stores?
    Experiences?

    -Badger

    Yeah. Just ask nicely. Most will say yes.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    ...

    Quoted message said:

    Good link! I'm wondering how many people follow the advice
    to 'bring your bike with you'?

    Mine is now easily luggable, and I've been thinking, would
    the 7-11 really mind if you rolled it in the store to get
    coffee, or the dept store care if you carried it with you
    to buy those sunglasses, as long as you weren't too
    clumsy, and the bike wasn't mud-caked or anything?

    Anybody in the ng who brings it along into stores?
    Experiences?

    I've done it on occasion, but not routinely. The store
    personnel never said anything, probably because I was
    careful to put the bike out of the way of their customers.

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in
    the newsgroups if possible).

  15. "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:18:46 -0700, [email hidden]
    (Tom Keats) wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Good link! I'm wondering how many people follow the advice
    to 'bring your bike with you'?

    Mine is now easily luggable, and I've been thinking, would
    the 7-11 really mind if you rolled it in the store to get
    coffee, or the dept store care


    if

    Quoted message said:

    you carried it with you to buy those sunglasses, as long
    as you weren't


    too

    Quoted message said:

    clumsy, and the bike wasn't mud-caked or anything?

    Anybody in the ng who brings it along into stores?
    Experiences?

    For short stops and relatively small (not crowded) places, I
    bring it in fairly routinely. It doesn't make sense to bring
    in and lean against the wall in a big store, because you
    can't keep an eye on it -- might as well have it outside.And
    in crowded places -- like the little hole-in-the-wall
    neighborhood ethnic grocery -- it's rude. But let's say I'm
    riding along, and it's time for lunch or a snack -- I've
    brought it in to a teriyaki joint or coffee shop without any
    comment. You can sit there and munch and keep an eye on it.
    If you're nervous, you can always ask -- "is that an ok
    place for the bike, or do you have a more out-of-the-way
    spot you'd rather I put it?" I also routinely bring it in at
    the dentist's office -- they let me leave it in the waiting
    room, which is nice of them.

    I don't know about the walking around Nordstroms with it,
    though. Maybe I'm "too clumsy" as you put it.

    --
    Warm Regards,

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    and .net for .com Home of the meditative cyclist:
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  16. Thank you all for all the useful suggestions.

    I think this is the real challenge: there are no parking
    meters in the plaza. So, I could not apply the lock/chain as
    one OP suggested. There are only light posts there, but they
    are just too bulky for the lock. BTW, I once saw a guy
    locking up his rusty bike around a tree in the plaza, but
    that would be the last thing that I want to do. Too bad,
    it's a high-traffic area and there's even a Bally Fitness.
    Unfortunately, there are no bike racks over there. Just
    wonder how much success I would have if I lobby for bike
    racks with the city?

    PS: To respond to one of the OP's, my bike is a FUJI
    Absolute. The frame has a romantic touch of matte
    burgundy. By its color alone I would think it's quite
    marketable! It's not ultra expensive (~$300 as a
    clearance item) but it's my first "real" bike.

    garmonboezia <cthvlhv@r'lyeh.arg> wrote in message
    news:<EKVxc.75822$Ly.69119@attbi_s01>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Steven Chan) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi there!

    I just bought a resettable combination cable. However, I
    was told that it is not a secure way to lock up a bike.
    Should I use a u-lock in addition to the cable? How
    about Kryptonite's NY chain? How secure is it to use it
    alone?

    Background: I plan to lock up my bike at a place where
    I could commute by vanpool everyday. As a result, the
    bike will be left at the same plaza for the most part
    of the day, week, and year. Any good security strategy
    for my plan?

    Sorry for bringing up so many questions!

    Remove the front wheel. Loop the 'U' part of a U lock
    through both wheels, the seat tube, and a sturdy metal
    upright like a parking meter. If clearances are tight you
    can also loop through both wheels and the sturdy metal
    upright as long as everything is within the rear triangle.
    I prefer to get at least some part of the frame within the
    loop even if it's just the seat stay.

    You can leave the lock at your commute point but pay
    attention to how smooth it's action is if you leave it
    exposed to weather. There's nothing worse than having your
    lock freeze while you bike is still locked up.

    Well travelled and well lit is better than not, but out of
    sight and out of mind is best of all. I mean that off the
    street and indoors is the absolute safest storage and
    locking up outside is a necessary evil. Ugly and dirty is
    better than pretty and shiny. If there's a manned security
    station try to lock up near it.

    Don't leave frame pumps, tool bags, computers or lights.
    This stuff will be liberated by people who have absolutely
    no what it is or why they want
    it. They will take it regardless.

    -Mike

  17. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you all for all the useful suggestions.

    I think this is the real challenge: there are no parking
    meters in the plaza. So, I could not apply the lock/chain
    as one OP suggested. There are only light posts there, but
    they are just too bulky for the lock. BTW, I once saw a
    guy locking up his rusty bike around a tree in the plaza,
    but that would be the last thing that I want to do. Too
    bad, it's a high-traffic area and there's even a Bally
    Fitness. Unfortunately, there are no bike racks over
    there. Just wonder how much success I would have if I
    lobby for bike racks with the city?

    PS: To respond to one of the OP's, my bike is a FUJI
    Absolute. The frame has a romantic touch of matte
    burgundy. By its color alone I would think it's quite
    marketable! It's not ultra expensive (~$300 as a
    clearance item) but it's my first "real" bike.

    Interesting coincidence: I saw that bike for the first time
    yesterday at my LBS. It's not an expensive bike, but they
    are very nice *looking*, which is the important point for a
    thief. I don't think I'd leave that one out day after day.

    ....

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in
    the newsgroups if possible).

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Steven Chan) said:

    Thank you all for all the useful suggestions.

    I think this is the real challenge: there are no parking
    meters in the plaza. So, I could not apply the lock/chain
    as one OP suggested. There are only light posts there, but
    they are just too bulky for the lock. BTW, I once saw a
    guy locking up his rusty bike around a tree in the plaza,
    but that would be the last thing that I want to do. Too
    bad, it's a high-traffic area and there's even a Bally
    Fitness. Unfortunately, there are no bike racks over
    there. Just wonder how much success I would have if I
    lobby for bike racks with the city?

    One possibility might be to see if you could make
    arrangements with a proprietor of a nearby business, to park
    your bike in their premises for a reasonable weekly or
    monthly fee.

    Then your bike would not only be somewhat more secure from
    theft, but also protected from the elements.

    cheers, Tom

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  19. Bill said:

    I take the bike into the store with me. If they object I
    just tell them "See ya, the store down the street
    doesn't mind."

    I used to bring my bike in all the time in southern CA -- to
    a few stores I went to all the time, plus the bank. No one
    seemed to mind. They must have realized that I had a good
    reason. I was careful not to wear out my welcome, though.

    Matt O.

  20. David Kerber said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anybody in the ng who brings it along into stores?
    Experiences?

    I've done it on occasion, but not routinely. The store
    personnel never said anything, probably because I was
    careful to put the bike out of the way of their customers.

    I think that's the key. Don't be a pain, and people are very
    accomodating.

    Of course it could be a problem if everyone did this, but
    what a problem to have!

    Matt O.

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