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How Important Is Hopping in Artistic?

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  1. Let's say these are the main Artistic skills for the intermediate to
    advanced levels:

    freemounts
    sharp turns
    seat-out (seat in front; seat in back; seat on side)
    idling
    one-foot
    backwards
    wheel walk
    spins

    (Higher Artistic skills would be gliding, coasting, hand wheel walk,
    stand-up wheel walk, pirouettes, seat drag, side ride, and others.)

    How important is hopping as an Artistic skill? Hop-twists? Hop on
    wheel? Freehanded hopping (for jumping rope)?

    Would these all be mandatory skills that every Artistic rider has to do?
    Are these skills as important as one-footing and wheel walking in
    Artistic?

    Also, would an advanced hopping skill be more or less important than an
    advanced idling skill (such as crank idling)? Which skills are better in
    a performance?

    Thanks for your comments!

    Carol
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  2. Carol McLean said:

    *How important is hopping as an Artistic skill? *


    It depends on the nature of the performance. If your act has a flowing,
    horizontal style, hopping is less important than if it has an energetic,
    high-variety style. For example a typical top Japanese freestyler uses
    very little hopping, while a Ryan Woessner might seem naked without
    it.

    Quoted message said:

    *Would these all be mandatory skills that every Artistic rider has to
    do? Are these skills as important as one-footing and wheel walking in
    Artistic? *


    No and no. However you seem to maybe be blurring the line between
    Freestyle and other forms of "artistic." I assume you are thinking in
    terms of skill levels, but skill levels can only be guidelines to what
    makes a good Freestyle performance. A good Freestyle performance has
    *no* mandatory skills. You should be able to take any given trick out of
    a truly good performance with little or no damage to it.

    Are they as important as one-footing and wheel walking? Again for
    Freestyle my answer would have to be n/a. It's all about what you do
    with it and how you execute it. As for a more anaytical approach, such
    as Standard Skill, just take a look at the points. I'm not looking, but
    I'm assuming hopping moves generally score quite a bit lower. Part of
    this is because they don't use up circle or 8 time, but also because
    they tend to be not as hard.

    Always remember, hopping on a unicycle is easier than riding it. If you
    don't believe this it's easy to prove with a bunch of non-riders. If you
    show them how to hop when they're learning how to ride, they'll get the
    hopping almost immediately. I learned this in the 80s with school
    programs. Due to the quality of the (more affordable) unicycles of the
    time, the school had to forbid the kids from hopping because they were
    bending cranks before they learned how to ride!

    Quoted message said:

    *Also, would an advanced hopping skill be more or less important than
    an advanced idling skill (such as crank idling)? Which skills are
    better in a performance?*


    I'd say neither is better than the other, but generally hopping skills
    are going to be easier. It's easier to make corrections when hopping
    than idling, depending on the trick. As to which is better in a
    performance, the question is too general. It all depends on which
    variations, how they're executed, and the overall nature of the
    performance.

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  3. Quoted message said:

    For example a typical top Japanese freestyler uses very little hopping

    Actually, most of the Japanese freestyle videos I have seen have a fair
    amount of hop-twisting, often freehanded while riding fairly quickly.

    One hopping skill that is definitely important is hopping on the wheel.
    While this skill is not that interesting in itself, it is very useful,
    since it is through this skill that you can get into and out of sideways
    wheel walk most easily, and it's also probably the easiest way to get
    out of side ride, so it is a skill every freestyler should have down
    well.

    Stuff like crank idling and stand-up hopping freehanded are both good
    skills to have, but in general for artistic riding I think it's better
    to focus on wheel walking and riding type skills, since these do have
    more visual appeal.

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  4. Comments? Important? Visual appeal? Sorry, Carol, I like watching girls
    hop on unicycles. Ryan Woessner or John Foss can hop all they want and
    it doesn't do anything for me. I would say it is a high level skill.

    I'm thinking about retracting this......no, I'll just let you slap me
    next time you see me.

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  5. Greg:

    Ok. I'll start lifting weights to build up my arm strength.

    Carol

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  6. Thanks for the comments so far (not you, Greg).

    Would you say that hop on wheel is:

    --the best or only way to learn tougher skills, such as sideways wheel
    walk and side ride

    or

    --that it's one way to learn them, but not necessarily the only way.

    I think hop on wheel is a useful skill. But some riders have said that
    it isn't necessarily essential, so I'm just looking for more opinions.

    Thanks for your help!

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  7. To get into and out of side ride, it is possible to simply pop your feet
    from one side of the wheel to the other, (For other riders not for me; I
    can only side ride one or two revs right now.) so here hopping on the
    wheel is definitely not necessary.

    It might just conceivably be possible to learn sideways wheel walk
    without learning hopping on the wheel, but it would be highly
    impracticle, on the order of learning the unispin without hopping. After
    all, sideways wheel walk is the same as hopping on the wheel, except
    you're moving, so in this case hopping on the wheel is really the only
    way to learn this skill.

    Offhand, I can't think of any other skills which require you to first
    learn hopping on the wheel.

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  8. Your second set of questions were much more specific. Hopping on wheel
    is a pretty basic skill. Though we know the transition into, and
    especially out of, this skill can take a while to master, hopping on
    wheel is still easier than riding. I think I could teach most non-riders
    how to do it within 10 minutes.

    An essential skill? No. But very useful to get you from here to there in
    many other tricks. I think it makes getting out of sideride much easier
    than many other methods.

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  9. Very good. Thanks.

    Right now, hop on wheel is in level 6. (Of course, riders have to get
    in and out of it as well.)

    Is that the best place for it?

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