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  1. I was doing some maintenance on the bottom bracket on my old MTB and
    failed to stick a towel under the bike when I removed it (that's what
    happens when you're in a hurry). Of course then I heard the pinging
    sound of ball bearings bouncing around the workshop, with me madly
    trying to hold the rest in while tryign to see where the bouncing ones
    were going ( and you know none of them are going to go in the same
    direction). So now I've found 18 ball bearings and I'm wondering if
    that's all of them (doesn't look like it) or how many more I need to
    look for, or else buy new ones which means I'll be without the bike for
    a few days.

    DaveB

  2. DaveB said:

    I was doing some maintenance on the bottom bracket on my old MTB and
    failed to stick a towel under the bike when I removed it (that's what
    happens when you're in a hurry). Of course then I heard the pinging
    sound of ball bearings bouncing around the workshop, with me madly
    trying to hold the rest in while tryign to see where the bouncing ones
    were going ( and you know none of them are going to go in the same
    direction). So now I've found 18 ball bearings and I'm wondering if
    that's all of them (doesn't look like it) or how many more I need to
    look for, or else buy new ones which means I'll be without the bike for
    a few days.

    DaveB

    Dear Dave,

    Ah, another Dave to add to my list!

    If you're new, you'll find dozens of friendly Daves here,
    all eager to give you the secret Dave handshake and the real
    answers in private emails.

    Nine balls on a side is a common figure, though some bottom
    brackets have more and others have fewer.

    As you can see by browsing from the top of this thread,
    Sheldon Brown has offered us the comforting explanation that
    it's the size of the ball that determines the fit, not the
    number of bearings (as long as there are enough to fill more
    than half the circle):

    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=3BCCE24B.8404F0E1%40research.dfci.harvard.edu&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522number%2Bof%2Bbearings%2522%2Bbottom%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26group%3Drec.bicycles.tech%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D3BCCE24B.8404F0E1%2540research.dfci.harvard.edu%26rnum%3D1

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/6c5wb

    Another comforting thought is that the next step up is
    usually eleven balls per side, 22 total, so you'd have to
    have lost four balls, which is less likely than losing one,
    two, or three. And even then, nine balls will work fine.

    The chief thing to learn from this sort of fiasco is that
    there is no substitute for having stupid little parts handy,
    since even the best local bike shop is going to be closed
    just when you need it most (unless you own it).

    Good luck,

    Carl Fogel

  3. DaveB said:

    I was doing some maintenance on the bottom bracket on my old MTB and
    failed to stick a towel under the bike when I removed it (that's what
    happens when you're in a hurry). Of course then I heard the pinging
    sound of ball bearings bouncing around the workshop, with me madly
    trying to hold the rest in while tryign to see where the bouncing ones
    were going ( and you know none of them are going to go in the same
    direction). So now I've found 18 ball bearings and I'm wondering if
    that's all of them (doesn't look like it) or how many more I need to
    look for, or else buy new ones which means I'll be without the bike for
    a few days.

    You only lost four of them. (11 x 11)

    Bearings are sold in matched sets and are dirt cheap. One
    thing to avoid is adding a new ball or a few to a set of
    worn ones.

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/hardware.html
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  4. Put grease into the cup, add balls until they touch and then take one out. If
    1/4 inch balls, then it will probably be 11 per side.

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  5. There is a mnemonic called the "Rule of TEN." Going from front to back::
    - Front hub has 10 balls (T)
    - Loose-ball BB has 11 balls (E)
    - Rear hub has 9 balls (N)
    .... these are per side, of course.

    Mike Yankee

    (Address is munged to thwart spammers.
    To reply, delete everything after "com".)

  6. 09 Oct 2004 14:20:58 +1000 DaveB said:

    I was doing some maintenance on the bottom bracket on my old MTB and
    failed to stick a towel under the bike when I removed it (that's what
    happens when you're in a hurry). Of course then I heard the pinging
    sound of ball bearings bouncing around the workshop, with me madly
    trying to hold the rest in while tryign to see where the bouncing ones
    were going ( and you know none of them are going to go in the same
    direction). So now I've found 18 ball bearings and I'm wondering if
    that's all of them (doesn't look like it) or how many more I need to
    look for, or else buy new ones which means I'll be without the bike for
    a few days.

    For a BB with loose balls, 11 on each side is the norm.

    -
    -----------------------------------------------
    Jim Adney [email hidden]
    Madison, WI 53711 USA
    -----------------------------------------------

  7. when no more balls will fit in take one out. that's the right number,
    so i'm told as the balls need moveing room. too many cause ball bounce
    and friction. looser balls are faster than caged balls. loose balls
    run in a somewhat new race than the as supplied assembly line speed
    caged setup sometimes faciltating the rehab of an old worn setup
    either BB or headset or...
    yeah, watch the Muzi!! don't mix one side with the other. if you do go
    buy new ones.

  8. Dear Dave,

    The word from far more knowledgeable people is that 11 balls
    per side is expected, so I must be wrong and you must have
    lost 4 balls out of 22 through sheer bad luck.

    Or so I'd bet.

    Ruefully,

    Carl Fogel

  9. Bottom brackets generally have only two ball bearings, though I have
    seen some old Edco units with three.

    Oh, you mean bearing balls! 11 on each side.

    Sheldon "Occasionally Pedantic" Brown
    Santa Cruz, California
    +--------------------------------------------------+
    | What's not worth doing is not worth doing well. |
    | --Don Hebb |
    +--------------------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

  10. Sheldon Brown said:

    Bottom brackets generally have only two ball bearings, though I have
    seen some old Edco units with three.

    Oh, you mean bearing balls! 11 on each side.

    Sheldon "Occasionally Pedantic" Brown
    Santa Cruz, California

    That was almost as bad as what I was going to suggest: get a magnet, and a
    $20 bill. Throw away the magnet, and go buy a new bottom bracket.

    Bill "what the heck are ya doing in Santa Cruz*, anyway?" S.

    *that where Interbike is?

  11. "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    Bottom brackets generally have only two ball bearings, though I have
    seen some old Edco units with three.

    Oh, you mean bearing balls! 11 on each side.

    Sheldon "Occasionally Pedantic" Brown
    Santa Cruz, California

    That was almost as bad as what I was going to suggest: get a magnet, and a
    $20 bill. Throw away the magnet, and go buy a new bottom bracket.

    Bill "what the heck are ya doing in Santa Cruz*, anyway?" S.

    *that where Interbike is?

    Probably relaxing after Interbike Las Vegas. Or, as Gary Fisher said
    to me at the McLaren (sp?) airport, "Escaping Las Vegas?"

    Robin Hubert

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