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  1. Aloha!

    For my cycling exploits, I thought it would be a nice idea to have a
    big map, on my wall, of the local area -- covering my effective range.
    On to which, I could mark good routes with highlighter pens; perhaps
    using different colours for different grades, danger-areas, traffic
    black-spots, that sort of thing. (Note that this is the only relation
    to cycling that this post bears -- fortunately, this group is largely
    free of "Off-Topic Nazis"!)
    Anyway, here I hope to share my results of producing such an apparatus,
    in a Blue Peter stylée. Although, I'd better start by saying I wasn't
    particularly successful, so this is more of a "How Not To" guide; but,
    there are a number of things I've learnt to avoid, should you wish to
    make something similar... This, amongst other tidbits, will be uploaded
    to my website in such time that I can be bothered! In the meanwhile,
    you guys get first look-sees 🙂

    ...:: The Maps ::..

    Ordinance Survey Landranger (1:50,000) maps are perfect: They show all
    the roads you could ever need and cover a good-sized area. They,
    obviously, cover the entire country and there is little overlap: you
    will most likely need to put three-or-four (probably more for
    randonées) together, so there will be minimum wastage (i.e. common
    bits that are on several maps).
    They're not too expensive, either -- if you buy them from Amazon, you
    get the subsequent ones at a reduced rate. I think W.H.Smith's have a
    similar deal. Ideally, one would buy the sheet maps, but these are very
    hard to find -- the folded variety pose little problem... You can also
    buy direct from OS, online. Their "OS Select" service actually allows
    you to centre your map on a particular address: this is pretty neat,
    but you do have to pay quite a premium; furthermore, most cyclists will
    find one 1:50,000 map too restrictive in terms of range.

    OS' Explorer (1:25,000) maps, on the other hand, are just too detailed
    as far as cycling is concerned -- you'll be off the edge of the map in
    no-time. It would be expensive, too; having to obviously get more maps
    to cover the same area (which would also take-up far more space)...
    Having said that, for mountain bikers and off-roaders, they might be
    better -- it's not my thing, but that extra detail may be beneficial
    for such activities.
    OS also do some larger scale maps, but these don't show the minor roads
    and lanes (presumably). They also seems to be rather awkwardly
    distributed; which can be annoying if you live (as I do) near the
    "edge" of one of their regions... If only they'd do their OS Select at
    1:75,000 and 1:100,000; giving you the options of size and information.

    Of course, if you're really cheapskate, you could print-out every OS
    map you need from their website... Life's too short for that 😉

    * http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/
    * http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/?field-keywords=OS%20Landranger

    Cutting and pasting maps together is really easy -- if you can't follow
    the OS grid, you probably shouldn't be going outside or using scissors
    anyway 😉 I found that sticking the joins with Magic Tape, in smallish
    pieces, worked quite well: because the joins are very long, this way
    you can correct any alignment problems as they happen. It's
    nigh-on-impossible to get it dead-straight (i.e. without having to make
    such corrections) unless you have a very large, open floor and an army
    of helpers to hold things down!
    One thing I should point-out, however -- which I have already hinted on
    -- the folded maps are creased (hence the name). You cannot completely
    remove these creases, but you can iron them out adequately. If you do
    it from the back of the map, this will save any possible bleeding of
    the print. Do not use steam!... It's best to iron before you stick your
    maps together.

    ...:: The Roller ::..

    The problem with having such a large map (easily 1.5m square) is that
    one is pushed to find anywhere for it to be mounted. Ideally, it would
    be mounted on a board (MDF, say) and screwed to the wall. However, as
    well as space restrictions, this can be something of an eye-sore
    (although, personally, I find maps quite fascinating; but they
    certainly don't fit with the décor!).
    Of course, what would be really cool is the map flat on a table, with
    some strong lighting over it. Then you could have a little bike "puck",
    that could be pushed around with a de-bristled broom... OK, perhaps too
    many war movies! (But it would be cool 😉

    I digress!... The solution is: roller blinds.

    One can either make their own roller blind, if they're very bored and
    can find a DIY shop that still stocks the mechanism; or just buy one
    and save a lot of hassle! There are several places online that stock
    good quality blinds in all shapes and sizes -- and a few that do custom
    sizes. They're inexpensive and do the job a treat.
    I would recommend getting a custom-made blind, to the size of your map
    (plus a few centimetres around the edges, for luck). Make sure you read
    the small print when sizing-up the blind, as the size is often the
    window frame size, not the fabric size -- all the sites I found were
    pretty clear and easy to follow. As close to white fabric as you can
    get (they all seem to do about 5,000 different shades of cream) with a
    manual string/winder pull, not a spring-loaded thing (the map won't
    take that kind of punishment); I leave the scalloped edging at your
    discretion :P

    * http://www.blinds4uk.co.uk/product.php?call=pdetail&pid=1
    * http://www.blinds-2go.co.uk/roller_blinds.asp

    A stock unit is just as good as custom-made, however it can be hard to
    get them big enough to accommodate a large (especially wide) map. On
    the plus side, they're cheaper and will arrive sooner.

    ...:: The Science Bit ::..

    Now comes the hard part: fixing your map to your roller blind.
    Conceptually, it's not difficult; in practise, it's a real pain dealing
    with a huge bit of paper that just wants to buckle in all the wrong
    places!

    Make sure your map is flat in one piece. I mistakenly had "wings" on
    either side of my map, which were parts that I rarely cycle to, but
    could potentially. I folded these up and, the idea was, they could be
    unfolded when required; but otherwise rolled-up unused... It didn't
    happen! One layer of paper is about all the roller blind can take; any
    more and it'll buckle and go all over the place. I had to cut them off
    and reside to the fact that I'm never going to cycle to Banbury and the
    Forest of Dean is too hard to get to!

    OK, let's talk gluing... I glued my map in two halves (to make sure it
    was square and because it was easier to manage that way). Something
    (e.g. newspaper) underneath the blind will prevent everything from
    sticking to your floor.
    The first half, I plastered the back of in PVA and tried to lay it down
    as flat as I could. It was a disaster! The problem is that the map
    absorbs the moisture in the glue and expands (making it very delicate);
    it ruptures easily but, more annoyingly, you get big air bubbles and
    creases that you cannot get rid of. Moreover, when the glue dries, the
    map contracts, taking the fabric with it and causing it to wrinkle.
    The second half was more successful, but still not great. That was done
    by laying the glue down on the fabric, all at once, then quickly
    flattening the map over it... This worked better, in that there are no
    crinkles, creases, air-bubbles or rips; but it still suffered the same
    contraction problem as the first half (although to a lesser extent).

    If I were to do it again, I wouldn't use PVA glue -- it's too wet. The
    best alternative I can think of would be spray mount -- however, you
    would need a lot of it: easily two cans. This would require a very well
    ventilated room and, most probably, face masks to protect you (and your
    helpers, which you'll certainly need) from the fumes... Proceed with
    caution!
    My theoretical technique would require three people: a gluer; a guider;
    and a holder. The gluer would be in front, spraying a fine layer
    (another advantage of spray mount) of adhesive on to the blind fabric;
    in about 10cm strips. The guider would be behind the map, crawling over
    it, pressing it down over the latest strip of glue; making sure it was
    flat and secure and square. The holder would be in between, simply
    holding the map above the others, keeping it taut but feeding it to the
    guider at a constant rate... I believe this would allow for the best
    results: no bubbles or creases, negligible contraction (as there isn't
    much glue) and a generally neater finish.

    Another approach would be to cut the map up into manageable pieces and
    reassemble them, like a jigsaw, stuck to the blind... I personally
    doubt that this method would work; and it would require a lot of fuss.
    Alternatively, you could dispense with the fabric altogether, and just
    use the map. However, I would imagine that the paper would start to
    fray and tear quite quickly; moreover, you would need something to
    press against.

    Note that the blind fabric is coated in something to make it stiff.
    This may be a problem in that the glue you use might not stick to it...
    Experiment first!
    Another problem is any moisture on your person where you are applying
    pressure to glued parts of the map. I was wearing shorts at the time
    and kneeling on freshly glued sections -- this led to me having parts
    of southern Gloucestershire stuck and mirrored to my knees! Wear
    trousers and socks (not shoes); long sleeves, even gloves. Tread
    carefully!

    Wait for the glue to dry thoroughly and the map to rest (perhaps
    another ironing, over tissue perhaps, would be beneficial) then put it
    up on your wall somewhere. That should be fairly easy (they'll be
    instructions). Make sure there is enough of a gap (between the wall) to
    allow the blind to be fully rolled-up with its new extra baggage.
    Rolling the blind up and down can be a bit temperamental -- they're not
    designed to have a great sheet of paper stuck to them. It's best to do
    it slowly (hence the manual string pull, rather than sprung-loaded).
    You may also find that, especially if your map is irregular in shape,
    the blind will not track properly: In this case, you will have to guide
    it manually, as you wind it up.

    ...:: Colophon ::..

    Anyway, that's about it!... In total, mine cost about £75 (using four
    OS maps and a custom blind). It's not great -- it doesn't really roll
    very well, so it's safer to leave unwound as far as I use -- but it's
    not a complete failure. I can certainly use it as I originally
    intended; it's just a bit, erm, "bumpy"!
    If anyone else has a go at making something similar, or has done so
    already, how did you get on?

    Good luck 🙂
    Christopher Harrison

  2. I have a duvet cover which has a map of the whole of the British
    Mainland on it.

    The scale was rather large and detail poor. I could show people where
    I'd been and could spread the map out easily. It never ripped either.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>
    Christopher Harrison <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    If anyone else has a go at making something similar, or has done so
    already, how did you get on?


    If I was going to do something like this I'd be inclined to scan the
    maps and print them on to heat transfer paper so I could apply them
    direct to the fabric.

  4. in message <[email hidden]>,

    Christopher Harrison (') said:

    One thing I should point-out, however -- which I have already hinted on
    -- the folded maps are creased (hence the name). You cannot completely
    remove these creases, but you can iron them out adequately. If you do
    it from the back of the map, this will save any possible bleeding of
    the print. Do not use steam!... It's best to iron before you stick your
    maps together.

    However you can buy the maps never-folded. Unfortunately you now have to
    buy them through 'OS Select' and they now cost twenty quid each (eek)
    but the upside is that you can specify exactly the area you want, which
    means a lot less cutting and taping.

    E.g. http://www.stanfords.co.uk/navigation/select.htm

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel
    has been switched off.

  5. Christopher Harrison said:

    Alternatively, you could dispense with the fabric altogether, and just
    use the map. However, I would imagine that the paper would start to
    fray and tear quite quickly; moreover, you would need something to
    press against.

    How about dispensing with the fabric and laminating the map as you roll
    it with sticky-backed plastic (or just backing it if you want to write
    on it other than with chinagraph - a single layer might roll better too).

    You can buy ready-laminated maps, but that would make the flattening
    stage harder. Do the OS do Tyvek maps at all? (I know they briefly
    did ones on waterproof paper of some sort, but they were relatively
    ink-proof as well, so much of the ink rubbed off mine in the course
    of a Mountain Marathon. That was years ago.)

  6. Christopher Harrison said:

    For my cycling exploits, I thought it would be a nice idea to have a
    big map, on my wall, of the local area -- covering my effective range.

    big snip

    Quoted message said:

    If anyone else has a go at making something similar, or has done so
    already, how did you get on?

    Several years ago I had the pleasure of working for Surrey CC in the
    highways team. We had access to 1:1250 mapping of the whole of the
    county and over the course of a couple of months I copied (probably
    slightly against the OS and SCC rules) a large number the map sheets of
    the area I lived in. (this was pre digital mapping)

    My partner and I then used these to 'wallpaper' our kitchen!

    The sheets were monochrome and about 500mm square. We had a pretty big
    kitchen wall and when complete it looked really good. Hopeless scale
    for plotting cycle routes and the edge matching was diabloical in
    places.

    But we were young and foolish......

    Sorry - not a very cycling post

    Matt

  7. "Christopher Harrison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    Aloha!

    <snipped fascinating tale>

    You are John Noakes and I claim my five pounds.

    What a great tale of ingenuity and derring-do to create a roller blind that
    doesn't...um...roll. It's people like you who make the country what it is.
    It's brightened up my Tuesday morning no end and I shall cycle to work with
    a smile on my face.

    I hope you can post the photos soon - are they of the whole process, or just
    the finished product.

    Many thanks

    Peter

  8. Following on from Christopher Harrison's message. . .

    Quoted message said:

    If anyone else has a go at making something similar, or has done so
    already, how did you get on?

    * With the maps on my walls (of various sorts) I find there is something
    /better/ about having a pointed stick to poke at places. A scale of
    miles is marked on the stick for quick reference.

    * On my scan/print roadmap I've got a scale of crow-fly miles with
    actual times and distances marked on it. eg One ride might have seen me
    cover 15 crow-fly miles in 90mins and 20 cycled miles. (With notes eg
    f/wind)

    * For recording places visited (I was brought up never to write on maps)
    I have scanned a page from a motoring map that is good enough to include
    all the lanes. This is a *big file* but so what. Then in Paintshop
    (create another layer for this) and draw the routes travelled.

    --
    PETER FOX Not the same since the statuette business went bust
    [email hidden]
    www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists

  9. Christopher Harrison wrote:

    What about using a laminated map. They can be obtained from here:
    http://www.needlesports.com/acatalog/Laminated_Landranger_Maps.html
    You could then do away with the fabric backing but I don't know well
    they would roll or how easy it would be to join maps. An advantage of
    the laminate coating would be that dry wipe markers could be used.
    --
    Cheers
    the.Mark

  10. Quoted message said:

    For my cycling exploits, I thought it would be a nice idea to have a
    big map, on my wall, of the local area -- covering my effective range.
    On to which, I could mark good routes with highlighter pens; perhaps
    using different colours for different grades, danger-areas, traffic
    black-spots, that sort of thing.

    The roller blind hack is an interesting solution which I hadn't thought
    of. At work we've got whole walls of maps with acetate overlays- useful
    visualisation, but not necessarily what you'd want to wallpaper your
    house with.

    I'm lucky enough to have a job where I use digital mapping quite
    regularly and have OS maps for the entire UK on tap. Combine these with
    some GIS software and you've got a perfect routemapping solution, which
    will be even better when I work out how to import the height data too.
    It's great for route maps for day rides- draw the route and the GIS
    tool will work out the distance, lay out the map (including zoomed in
    bits for any tricky junctions, add overlays for spot info (useful to
    show pubs/bikeshops/etc etc) and print out, double sided if
    necessary.A3 and A4 work fine, but since I have access to an A0 plotter
    I think I might just give your idea a try.

    Commercial GIS and digital mapping doesn't exactly come cheap, but you
    can buy digital mapping for ISTR about 150 squid for a fair chunk of
    the UK, including some route planning/map making software which has
    height data and can produce 3D maps. I'm not sure what the print
    capabilities are, but if you can print to say an A0 PDF then a local
    print shop would probably be able to print it out for you, and these
    can then be taped together as you describe. I'm pretty sure the license
    conditions forbid you from putting the maps on the web, and the OS is
    hot on copyright...

    I'm glad to see I'm not the only map geek around here.

  11. Christopher Harrison said:

    Of course, if you're really cheapskate, you could print-out every OS
    map you need from their website... Life's too short for that 😉

    * http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/
    * http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/?field-keywords=OS%20Landranger

    ** cough ** screen-scraping ** cough wget ** cough perl scripts **
    cough ** imagemagick **

    BugBear

  12. Quoted post said:
    Quoted message said:

    For my cycling exploits, I thought it would be a nice idea to have a
    big map, on my wall, of the local area -- covering my effective range.
    On to which, I could mark good routes with highlighter pens; perhaps
    using different colours for different grades, danger-areas, traffic
    black-spots, that sort of thing.

    Quoted message said:

    The roller blind hack is an interesting solution which I hadn't thought
    of. At work we've got whole walls of maps with acetate overlays- useful
    visualisation, but not necessarily what you'd want to wallpaper your
    house with.

    We are going for the more arty solution - a friend of us make banners from
    ceramic tiles based on OS maps:
    http://www.theweeviking.com/banners.html

    We've got Ulva on order as a wedding present (and we did move Staffa a
    little bit so it fit better :-)

    Roos

  13. bugbear said:

    ** cough ** screen-scraping ** cough wget ** cough perl scripts **
    cough ** imagemagick **

    You ought to get that seen to...

    ;-)

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Bandersnatch? I would never have guessed.

  14. In article said:
    Christopher Harrison said:

    Of course, if you're really cheapskate, you could print-out every OS
    map you need from their website... Life's too short for that 😉

    * http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/
    * http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/?field-keywords=OS%20Landranger

    ** cough ** screen-scraping ** cough wget ** cough perl scripts **
    cough ** imagemagick **

    *cough* copyright violation

    You could do it legally for £200 for the whole of the UK though:
    http://www.memory-map.co.uk/maps_uk_onland.htm
    (plus the cost of the printer, paper, and ink).

  15. I did think of laminating the map -- however, originally, my map was a
    very irregular shape and included folded parts. If, after you had
    attached all the pieces together, you had something rectangular, then I
    think laminating would be perfect. As mentioned, dry wipe markers would
    work a treat.

    Alan Braggins said:

    How about dispensing with the fabric and laminating the map as you roll
    it with sticky-backed plastic (or just backing it if you want to write
    on it other than with chinagraph - a single layer might roll better too).

    You can buy ready-laminated maps, but that would make the flattening
    stage harder. Do the OS do Tyvek maps at all? (I know they briefly
    did ones on waterproof paper of some sort, but they were relatively
    ink-proof as well, so much of the ink rubbed off mine in the course
    of a Mountain Marathon. That was years ago.)

    the.Mark said:

    What about using a laminated map. They can be obtained from here:
    http://www.needlesports.com/acatalog/Laminated_Landranger_Maps.html
    You could then do away with the fabric backing but I don't know well
    they would roll or how easy it would be to join maps. An advantage of
    the laminate coating would be that dry wipe markers could be used.

  16. LOL 😉 Nuts, my cover is blown! What gave it away!?... Still, I'm glad
    to be keeping-up the fine tradition of English eccentricity 🙂

    Annnyway, for your amusement, I just managed to get one (rather bad
    quality) photo before the batteries in my camera died. I doubt anyone
    could bear (or should be inflicted) with pictures illustrating every
    stage of production; fortunately none exist!

    * http://www.ChrisHarrison.co.uk/map.jpg

    It's basically stuck in that position. I can roll it up and down
    (although, ideally, you need a helper to make sure it's going
    straight); but it might not roll back again 😉

    Peter said:

    You are John Noakes and I claim my five pounds.

    What a great tale of ingenuity and derring-do to create a roller blind that
    doesn't...um...roll. It's people like you who make the country what it is.
    It's brightened up my Tuesday morning no end and I shall cycle to work with
    a smile on my face.

    I hope you can post the photos soon - are they of the whole process, or just
    the finished product.

  17. I should mention: The thing behind it is my blackboard (I am a
    mathematics graduate and it -- the board -- seemed like a good idea at
    the time). Before I discovered that my map was too big, this is what I
    was going to mount it to.

  18. Alan Braggins said:
    In article said:


    ** cough ** screen-scraping ** cough wget ** cough perl scripts **
    cough ** imagemagick **

    *cough* copyright violation

    Are you claiming copyright on coughing?

    --
    Don Whybrow

    Sequi Bonum Non Time

    "The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service,
    which failed to start because of the following error: The
    operation completed successfully." (Windows NT Server v3.51)

  19. "Christopher Harrison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    I am a mathematics graduate
    ....aah, I see...

    :-)

  20. Alan Braggins said:

    You could do it legally for £200 for the whole of the UK though:
    http://www.memory-map.co.uk/maps_uk_onland.htm (plus the cost of the
    printer, paper, and ink).

    'Doze XP only :-(

    Mike

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