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  1. I have always thought that aside from propelling oneself around, the other
    best use of human power is growing food; but stooping over and grubbing with
    ones hands isn't very efficient. Having played with a small single blade
    wheel plow as a kid, including taking turns pulling it with my sister, the
    idea seems a reasonable way to get a good workout after work and on weekends
    through much of the season.

    Has anyone seen such a thing? Ideally you could make one that mounts and is
    powered by a conventional bike. You could model present tractors or
    tillers and just reduce the forward speed and width of till until it matched
    the fraction of a horsepower we produce. For lots of people in the 3rd
    world who don't have enough land to support a horse, such appropriate
    technology makes sense.

    I wish colleges would have competitions for useful things like this rather
    than concrete canoes and solar powered cars.

    --
    Robert Haston
    Satellite Beach, FL

  2. Robert Haston said:


    Has anyone seen such a thing? Ideally you could make one that mounts


    and is

    Quoted message said:

    powered by a conventional bike. You could model present tractors or

    Quoted message said:

    tillers and just reduce the forward speed and width of till until it


    matched

    Quoted message said:

    the fraction of a horsepower we produce. For lots of people in the


    3rd

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    world who don't have enough land to support a horse, such appropriate

    Quoted message said:

    technology makes sense.

    Would you settle for a human-powered lawnmower?
    http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Tower/hpvs.html

    Jeff

  3. Robert Haston said:

    I have always thought that aside from propelling oneself around, the other
    best use of human power is growing food; but stooping over and grubbing with
    ones hands isn't very efficient. Having played with a small single blade
    wheel plow as a kid, including taking turns pulling it with my sister, the
    idea seems a reasonable way to get a good workout after work and on weekends
    through much of the season.

    Has anyone seen such a thing? Ideally you could make one that mounts and is
    powered by a conventional bike. You could model present tractors or
    tillers and just reduce the forward speed and width of till until it matched
    the fraction of a horsepower we produce. For lots of people in the 3rd
    world who don't have enough land to support a horse, such appropriate
    technology makes sense.

    I wish colleges would have competitions for useful things like this rather
    than concrete canoes and solar powered cars.

    Dear Robert,

    A bicycle's gearing trades force for distance to take
    advantage of the tremendous reduction of friction by wheels
    on bearings. On flat ground, the gears can increase one foot
    of pedal movement to almost nine feet of wheel movement
    (with the force spread out over nine feet).

    So it's not well suited to forcing a plow through the
    tremendous friction of the ground. Here, you'd want to trade
    distance for force and have gearing that turned one foot of
    pedal movement into an inch or two of wheel movement (with
    the force concentrated into an inch or so).

    Your arms and legs need the increased mechanical advantage
    of the handle of a shovel to do much digging, not the
    reduced mechanical advantage of bicycle gearing.

    To make a bicycle work (ineffectively) as a plow, you'd need
    to start by reversing the gears.

    An 11-tooth front and a 53-tooth rear might let you drag a
    plow through some loose sand, but it would be exhausting to
    plough a single furrow.

    The solar-powered car is more practical.

    Carl Fogel

  4. On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:08:12 GMT, "Robert Haston"

    may have said:

    I have always thought that aside from propelling oneself around, the other
    best use of human power is growing food; but stooping over and grubbing with
    ones hands isn't very efficient. Having played with a small single blade
    wheel plow as a kid, including taking turns pulling it with my sister, the
    idea seems a reasonable way to get a good workout after work and on weekends
    through much of the season.

    Has anyone seen such a thing?

    Attempts have been made in third-world nations, and there is a reason
    why the people there either use fuel-powered machinery or draft
    animals if they don't just do the work by hand. There's no advantage
    in trying to run the motion of human limbs through a bunch of
    conversions to do a task that they are better suited for with just the
    direct implement. The extra machinery cannot reduce the amount of
    work that has to be performed in order to do a specific task; indeed,
    it generally will have the opposite effect, increasing the amount of
    work that must be done in order to perform that task through the
    addition of the inefficiencies of the machinery itself.

    The riding mower shown by another poster is an example of an
    exception; the draft effort needed to pull that mower around is not
    particularly high, and the usual method of propelling it (by pushing)
    is actually not all that efficient. I once demonstrated that such a
    push mower could be made much easier to push on level, firm ground by
    lengthening the handle, lowering its angle, and increasing the mass of
    the mower head. At ten feet of arm, with a 20-pound sack of
    fertilizer strapped to the top, it pushed much more easily and cut
    more effectively...but it was a pain in the neck to use because it was
    near to impossible to maneuver usefully. This doesn't imply that more
    power conversions would make a better result, it just shows that the
    way to make things more efficient usually involves looking at where
    the losses and problems are, and addressing those, rather than trying
    to artificially apply a specific arbitrary technology to the task
    simply because it exists and is available. Doing that is like driving
    screws with a baseball bat; it may work, but there are better ways to
    produce hardwood kindling.

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  5. "Robert Haston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have always thought that aside from propelling oneself around, the other
    best use of human power is growing food; but stooping over and grubbing


    with

    Quoted message said:

    ones hands isn't very efficient. Having played with a small single blade
    wheel plow as a kid, including taking turns pulling it with my sister, the
    idea seems a reasonable way to get a good workout after work and on


    weekends

    Quoted message said:

    through much of the season.

    Has anyone seen such a thing? Ideally you could make one that mounts and


    is

    Quoted message said:

    powered by a conventional bike. You could model present tractors or
    tillers and just reduce the forward speed and width of till until it


    matched

    Quoted message said:

    the fraction of a horsepower we produce. For lots of people in the 3rd
    world who don't have enough land to support a horse, such appropriate
    technology makes sense.

    I wish colleges would have competitions for useful things like this rather
    than concrete canoes and solar powered cars.

    --
    Robert Haston
    Satellite Beach, FL


    While I have never seen such a device, it does sound like a good idea,
    however it think it would be impractical. The tiller blade would have to be
    extremely narrow due to the drag of the soil and the relatively low power
    output of human legs.

    Ken

  6. Quoted message said:
    Robert Haston said:


    Has anyone seen such a thing? Ideally you could make one that


    mounts

    Quoted message said:

    and is

    Quoted message said:

    powered by a conventional bike. You could model present tractors


    or

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    tillers and just reduce the forward speed and width of till until


    it

    Quoted message said:

    matched

    Quoted message said:

    the fraction of a horsepower we produce. For lots of people in the


    3rd

    Quoted message said:

    world who don't have enough land to support a horse, such


    appropriate

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    technology makes sense.

    Would you settle for a human-powered lawnmower?
    http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Tower/hpvs.html

    Jeff

    Or a chicken powered tractor?
    http://nc.essortment.com/chickentractor_rjpo.htm

    Cam

  7. Robert,

    I am working on the same idea that you are talking about. I'm trying to construct a bike powered plow/ tiller. I'm using bikes and junk parts. I'm in the design phase right now. The vehicle is two bikes bolted together for 4 wheels. In the center would be the plow device. I'm thinking an auger digging parrallel to the ground to cut a trench . Another idea is; some type of tiller blades that are easier to dig into the ground than the ones on a gas tiller. Also I'm looking at gears from auto parts as a way to increase torque.
    Any Input?

    Thanks, Jim

  8. I built a pedal-powered lawn mower once. Basically by taking one of those hand-pushed cylinder mowers and using that in place of the front fork/wheel. It was rideable at the low end of MTB gearing, but not really worthwhile. On foot you're much more able to adapt to the differences in resistance encountered.

  9. I have just constructed the human powered tractor and forward further infirmation if desired

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by khanderao [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

    I have just constructed the human powered tractor and forward further infirmation if desired


    Can you post some photos?

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