Hunger management strategies

"Top Spin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?

Hyper nutrition works...thats lots of raw vegitable juice,
live foods, salads and fruits and some good protien like
fish..

then no adictive processed foods, or empty foods like frozen
or canned...that will eliminate cravings after a while... you
body has to dump the [censored].. use a sauna and excercise in a
week or so you will be OK unless you head for the processed
food again.. its like alcohol to an alcoholic. its engineered
to be addictive...did you know that? Its true.

and take your vitamins...and break the eating habit...eat only
at the table, three times a day on shedule...thats it. Dont
skip meals either, that builds cravings..and eat until
satisfied...,just eat as above..and skip the dairy, sugar and
breads.

Phil Scott

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I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating

because it

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takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize

that the

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stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have

something to eat

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10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway?

Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?

Thanks

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Ignoramus29737 said:

Top Spin said:

Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?

I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because it
takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that the
stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have something to eat
10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway?

Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?

What do you mean by "work"? Work, in the sense of making you less
hungry for 1-2 meals or a couple of weeks? Or work in the sense of
permanently changing the quantity of food that makes you satisfied?

I mean a permanent (or at least long term) change in my eating habits.

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If it is the former, then drinking copious amounts of water or eating
large quantity of vegetables may work for some time. Or, eating
slowly, chewing gum, etc.

If it is the latter, then, if you have a certain type of a body, low
carbing may work.

I tried Atkins, but my cholesterol, which was already too high, went
through the roof.

I'm not sure what my body type is. Until I was about 35-40, I could
not gain weight and I ate like a horse. I think some very bad habits
were formed. I'm 6'3" and until then weighed about 180-190. I have
been gaining about 1-2 pounds/year ever since. I got up as high as
almost 240, but am now around 225-230.

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Exercising may allow you to eat more and to be more satisfied with the
quantity of food.

That works to some extent.

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Phil Scott said:

"Top Spin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?

Hyper nutrition works...thats lots of raw vegitable juice,
live foods, salads and fruits and some good protien like
fish..

then no adictive processed foods, or empty foods like frozen
or canned...that will eliminate cravings after a while... you
body has to dump the [censored].. use a sauna and excercise in a
week or so you will be OK unless you head for the processed
food again.. its like alcohol to an alcoholic. its engineered
to be addictive...did you know that? Its true.

Where is this documented?

Quoted message said:

and take your vitamins...and break the eating habit...eat only
at the table, three times a day on shedule...thats it. Dont
skip meals either, that builds cravings..and eat until
satisfied...,just eat as above..and skip the dairy, sugar and
breads.

Phil Scott

Quoted message said:

I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating

because it

Quoted message said:

takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize

that the

Quoted message said:

stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have

something to eat

Quoted message said:

10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway?

Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?

Thanks

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Top Spin wrote:
:: Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?
::
:: I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because it
:: takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that the
:: stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have something to
:: eat 10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway?
::
:: Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?
::
Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite',
which is good; however 10 minutes prior meal is too late. Drinking some
water before eating would also give some sense of fulness. Eating less
energy dense foods is one strategy. Striving to have small protion sizes
like the japanese is one good choice. Avoiding refined food and favoring
fiber containg food like whole grain products helps also. And last,
having small but many meals during the day would help also.

--
Juhana

In article <[email hidden]>, Ignoramus29737

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What do you mean by "work"? Work, in the sense of making you less
hungry for 1-2 meals or a couple of weeks? Or work in the sense of
permanently changing the quantity of food that makes you satisfied?

If it is the former, then drinking copious amounts of water or eating
large quantity of vegetables may work for some time. Or, eating
slowly, chewing gum, etc.

Chewing gum stimulates the appetite.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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Chewing gum stimulates the appetite.

This is not true. One of the saturation mechanisms is dependent of the time
you chew/ the time the jaw muscles have to work.

Try chewing every bit of food at least 20 times before you swallow.
I bet you won't feel as hungry as if you didn't.

Drinking a lot of water also helps when hungry.
Don't drink softdrinks with lots of sugar.

In article <[email hidden]>, MMu

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Chewing gum stimulates the appetite.

This is not true. One of the saturation mechanisms is dependent of the time
you chew/ the time the jaw muscles have to work.

Try chewing every bit of food at least 20 times before you swallow.
I bet you won't feel as hungry as if you didn't.

Drinking a lot of water also helps when hungry.
Don't drink softdrinks with lots of sugar.

ITSS

It's the saliva stupid :-)

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"Top Spin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?

I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because it
takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that the
stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have something to eat
10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway?

Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?

Thanks

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(11/09/04)

Aerobic exercise can suppress appetite for an hour or more.
Fiber helps fill your stomach.

Juhana Harju said:

Top Spin wrote:
:: Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?
::
:: I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because it
:: takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that the
:: stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have something to
:: eat 10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway?
::
:: Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?
::
Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite',
which is good; however 10 minutes prior meal is too late.

OK, then how much before? And what will do the best job of spoiling my
appetite?

Quoted message said:

Drinking some
water before eating would also give some sense of fulness. Eating less
energy dense foods is one strategy. Striving to have small protion sizes
like the japanese is one good choice. Avoiding refined food and favoring
fiber containg food like whole grain products helps also. And last,
having small but many meals during the day would help also.

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(11/09/04)

Top Spin wrote:
:: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:20:38 +0200, "Juhana Harju"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Top Spin wrote:
::::: Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?
:::::
::::: I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because
::::: it takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that
::::: the stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have
::::: something to eat 10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process
::::: underway?
:::::
::::: Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?
:::::
::: Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite',
::: which is good; however 10 minutes prior meal is too late.
::
:: OK, then how much before? And what will do the best job of spoiling
:: my appetite?
::
That could be almost anything healthy about half an hour prior to the
meal. One or half of an apple might be a good choice.

--
Juhana

Juhana Harju said:

Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite',
which is good;

I think it is called preloading.

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however 10 minutes prior meal is too late. Drinking some
water before eating would also give some sense of fulness.

I don't think water really makes you feel full. Your body doesn't
recognize water as food. You need to have water in your food, like
soup, for it to work.

Juhana Harju said:

Top Spin wrote:
:: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:20:38 +0200, "Juhana Harju"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Top Spin wrote:
::::: Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?
:::::
::::: I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because
::::: it takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that
::::: the stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have
::::: something to eat 10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process
::::: underway?
:::::
::::: Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?
:::::
::: Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite',
::: which is good; however 10 minutes prior meal is too late.
::
:: OK, then how much before? And what will do the best job of spoiling
:: my appetite?
::
That could be almost anything healthy about half an hour prior to the
meal. One or half of an apple might be a good choice.

I'll give that a try, but I can't imagine that 1 apple will serve to
curb my appetite. I have tried a banana, a couple of slices of whole
wheat toast, and a few crackers with brie. As far as I can tell, they
didn't do much to change the total amount consumed, but maybe I wasn't
eating them early enough.

Thanks

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Ed Bono said:

Juhana Harju said:

Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite',
which is good;

I think it is called preloading.

Quoted message said:

however 10 minutes prior meal is too late. Drinking some
water before eating would also give some sense of fulness.

I don't think water really makes you feel full. Your body doesn't
recognize water as food. You need to have water in your food, like
soup, for it to work.

Yes, that is my experience as well. Water makes no difference at all.

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Top Spin wrote:
:: I'll give that a try, but I can't imagine that 1 apple will serve to
:: curb my appetite. I have tried a banana, a couple of slices of whole
:: wheat toast, and a few crackers with brie. As far as I can tell, they
:: didn't do much to change the total amount consumed, but maybe I
:: wasn't eating them early enough.
::
These are helpful strategies but they don't solve the problem. They are
just means that might increase your success a little bit.

--
Juhana

Top Spin said:

I tried Atkins, but my cholesterol, which was already too high, went
through the roof.

What you may want to consider is a revised low carb approach to eating.

1. Eat lean meats. Grilled chicken, lean pork, lean beefs, lean fishes.
Grill, broil or bake, no fried.

2. Eat lots of vegetables. Dark green leafy veggies (spinach, greens,
etc) as well as salads, etc. I also do alot of stir fry (not in oil, or in
just a bit of olive oil and seasoning) of snap peas, asparagus, etc. I go
for alot of variety in veggies. Sliced up grilled veggies are also good -
peppers, onions, zuccina, squash, etc. And in the past year or so I've
really gotten into gourds (spagetti squash, butternut squash, acorn squash,
etc).

3. Eat high fiber carbs. Go for multi grains. Limit these to just a
simple serving per day. For instance, if I eat an egg on toast for
breakfast, I will not have a sandwhich w/ bread for lunch or dinner.

4. Potatoes, sweetpotatoes, etc. They are still good low fat foods, high
in starch, but when you consume them, watch the portion sizes - and keep
them small, as well as watch the toppings and keep them minimal.

Low carb and low fat can be combined. Its not Atkins, but it does work.
The lack of the sugary carbs in your body helps in limited your cravings
for those carb dense foods.

Starting a meal with a salad or soup or eating fruit a few minutes
prior to meals may help. Slowing down one's eating, perhaps starting
with a moment of reflection and awareness of one's state of hunger and
appreciation of the meal, followed by slow and mindfull eating with
intermittent re-assessments of one's hunger. Stop eating when one's
hunger is satiated, but one is not "stuffed." High fiber meals and
drinking adequate calorie free fluids (preferably water or green tea)
might also help.

While your idea is very interesting, I feel that portion control is better.
In other words, keep the meal small, wolf it down, and then use some self
control for ten minutes. Ten minutes is not an unreasonable amount of time
to endure hunger. Plan to re-evaluate your satiation after the ten minutes.
In my experience the hunger is usually gone.

It is better to eat with a goal to stop hunger, than it is to eat with a
goal of feeling full or stuffed. There is a big difference in calories.

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Quoted message said:

Are there hunger management strategies that actually work?

I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because it
takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that the
stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have something to eat
10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway?

Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier?

Thanks

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"Carol Frilegh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, Ignoramus29737

Quoted message said:

What do you mean by "work"? Work, in the sense of making you less
hungry for 1-2 meals or a couple of weeks? Or work in the sense of
permanently changing the quantity of food that makes you satisfied?

If it is the former, then drinking copious amounts of water or eating
large quantity of vegetables may work for some time. Or, eating
slowly, chewing gum, etc.

Chewing gum stimulates the appetite.

Not if it's nicotine gum (which may also be preventative
of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease).

George

Not be too controversial, but some report some of the hoodia products
now available may be helpful (possibly even via the placebo effect?,
but, whatever works....)