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  1. The funding cuts started in 2002 and went downhill from there. The most
    recent cut is indicative of *attitude*. No one could have predicted
    that a class 5 would hit in August 2005, but we knew there would be one
    eventually. It was well known that the levee system would NOT hold up
    under a class 5.
    The *attitude* was such that NO's levees could remain in poor shape
    while a bridge to nowhere @
    250M should be built (that's 500K per capita on the target island *and*
    they have a ferry, not pirogues or kayaks -- and an airport).

    If a driver (Bush/Congress/DHS) is knowingly operating a vehicle (the
    gov't) with faulty brakes (the Mississippi levee system) while
    diverting the funds for repair to wine and caviar (bridge to nowhere),
    and the brakes fail the driver is most certainly to blame for the
    resulting accident.

    By statute, the Federal Gov't is responsible for *all* navigable waters
    within the US, and especially interstate routes such as the
    Mississippi. The ACOE was given this responsibility under Section 10 of
    the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 (Chapter 33, Section 403 of the
    United States Code). Funding cuts prevented the ACOE from doing its
    work correctly. Work which was identified, funding requested and said
    funding diverted to such pork as the "bridge to nowhere".

    The rescue efforts were a problem. Local and state gov't's were
    overwhelmed and in such cases the Federal gov't *must* pick up the
    slack. Attitude and incompetance. FEMA director Brown being "unaware"
    that there was a refugee problem at the Superdome, when anyone in the
    world with a television set knew ! FEMA not allowing traffic carrying
    food and water into the area ( excuse - no security as the Guard had
    not shown; however Florida State troopers were ready to take
    resposibility)."Mavericks" in a Air Force Reserve squadron took it upon
    themselves to fly the supplies in by chopper , a job more
    economically, safely and efficiently done by tractor-trailers).

    Bush waiting two days to "end early" his vacation.

  2. Corrections : thats 5M per capita 😉

    Also :
    "Budget cuts delayed New Orleans flood control work"
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/weather_katrina_funding_dc
    "Everybody Knew" (but Bush didn't ?!?!?!?)
    http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12539792.htm

  3. ""Government at all levels failed," Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio,
    voting record), R-Maine, said at the Capitol. She announced that the
    Senate Governmental Affairs Committee would hold hearings, adding, "It
    is difficult to understand the lack of preparedness and the ineffective
    initial response to a disaster that had been predicted for years, and
    for which specific, dire warnings had been given for days."

  4. Seamus said:

    ""Government at all levels failed," Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio,
    voting record), R-Maine, said at the Capitol. She announced that the
    Senate Governmental Affairs Committee would hold hearings, adding, "It
    is difficult to understand the lack of preparedness and the ineffective
    initial response to a disaster that had been predicted for years, and
    for which specific, dire warnings had been given for days."

    Here's the new Popular Science magazine. They have a 6 to 9 month lead
    time. No excuses.

    http://www.popsci.com/popsci/

    Pastorio

  5. Bob (this one) said:
    Seamus said:

    ""Government at all levels failed," Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio,
    voting record), R-Maine, said at the Capitol. She announced that the
    Senate Governmental Affairs Committee would hold hearings, adding, "It
    is difficult to understand the lack of preparedness and the ineffective
    initial response to a disaster that had been predicted for years, and
    for which specific, dire warnings had been given for days."

    Here's the new Popular Science magazine. They have a 6 to 9 month lead
    time. No excuses.

    http://www.popsci.com/popsci/

    My mistake. This was published last April.

    Pastorio

  6. Quoted message said:

    My mistake. This was published last April.


    Even more damning, IMO.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Seamus said:

    The funding cuts started in 2002 and went downhill from there. The most
    recent cut is indicative of *attitude*. No one could have predicted
    that a class 5 would hit in August 2005, but we knew there would be one
    eventually. It was well known that the levee system would NOT hold up
    under a class 5.
    The *attitude* was such that NO's levees could remain in poor shape
    while a bridge to nowhere @
    250M should be built (that's 500K per capita on the target island *and*
    they have a ferry, not pirogues or kayaks -- and an airport).

    If a driver (Bush/Congress/DHS) is knowingly operating a vehicle (the
    gov't) with faulty brakes (the Mississippi levee system) while
    diverting the funds for repair to wine and caviar (bridge to nowhere),
    and the brakes fail the driver is most certainly to blame for the
    resulting accident.

    By statute, the Federal Gov't is responsible for *all* navigable waters
    within the US, and especially interstate routes such as the
    Mississippi. The ACOE was given this responsibility under Section 10 of
    the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 (Chapter 33, Section 403 of the
    United States Code). Funding cuts prevented the ACOE from doing its
    work correctly. Work which was identified, funding requested and said
    funding diverted to such pork as the "bridge to nowhere".

    The rescue efforts were a problem. Local and state gov't's were
    overwhelmed and in such cases the Federal gov't *must* pick up the
    slack. Attitude and incompetance. FEMA director Brown being "unaware"
    that there was a refugee problem at the Superdome, when anyone in the
    world with a television set knew ! FEMA not allowing traffic carrying
    food and water into the area ( excuse - no security as the Guard had
    not shown; however Florida State troopers were ready to take
    resposibility)."Mavericks" in a Air Force Reserve squadron took it upon
    themselves to fly the supplies in by chopper , a job more
    economically, safely and efficiently done by tractor-trailers).

    Bush waiting two days to "end early" his vacation.


    Say "administration" vice "government" unless you're one of those
    wishing to "kill the beast." Or "current government" if you must.
    I fear eight years of the Bush administration's incompetence is going
    to sour the nation on any government at all; then we'll be back to pre
    Civil War mentality of states' rights and cultural secession. We
    already have our quasi Kurds, Sunnis and Shias.


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    Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
    Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
    hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
    musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The


    structural

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    devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
    owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no


    jobs,nowhere

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    to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
    that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that


    should

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    be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
    loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it


    is a

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    sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
    cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.

    I was close on this, however I forgot to include the barge,refinery,port of
    NO workers etc. Time is just now beginning to tell its tale.

    Hubert

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    Those that understand Americans with all their faults as will as their
    virtues,will respond as they can. From the sound of the Roman Legions
    gradually approaching in the Pines of Rome (Respighi), to the Wagnerian
    concept of the "Ladies From Hell", listen carefeully. The skirl of the
    pipes,marching feet and bugle calls,indicate that in whatever manner,


    the

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    cavalry is on the way for those in need.

    I was close again...However it did take a little longer than anticipated on
    my part.

    Now, Back To Food.

    Hubert Liverman
    Opelika("Big Swamp" in Cherokee) Liverman

  10. Sheldon said:

    Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
    kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
    condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
    utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
    sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
    they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
    to help with any country's disaster... I had anything to say I'd never
    send so much as cent anywhere for any reason whatsoever... were any
    other country had folks about to drown I'd offer to [censored] on them,
    maybe.

    Total unadulterated bull [censored] in retrospect.

    Quoted message said:

    I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
    mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
    planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
    Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
    drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY [censored].

    Sheldon

    Come down here and say that. My mother and fiance are Canadian, you
    evil racist piglet.

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