Hybrid vs Road bike commuting.

Simon Mason said:

Road>

<snip> You could get all of that with the right recumbent,
/and/ be more comfortable than the hybrid. And as you seem
to like grabbing attention you'd be in serious heaven.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

Simon Mason said:

Road>

<snip> You could get all of that with the right recumbent,
/and/ be more comfortable than the hybrid. And as you seem
to like grabbing attention you'd be in serious heaven.

Pete.

I am very, very tempted to get myself a recumbent for
touring. But in busy city traffic I already feel uneasy on
my roadbike. Are you seriously saying that you enjoy sharing
roundabouts with lorries and buses on a recumbent that's the
height of their wheels, Pete ?

Karen
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Karen Lipkow said:

Are you seriously saying that you enjoy sharing
roundabouts with lorries and buses on a recumbent that's
the height of their wheels, Pete ?

I can't imagine it would be much fun, either.

Karen Lipkow said:

I am very, very tempted to get myself a recumbent for
touring. But in busy city traffic I already feel uneasy on
my roadbike. Are you seriously saying that you enjoy
sharing roundabouts with lorries and buses on a recumbent
that's the height of their wheels, Pete ?

I don't especially /enjoy/ sharing roundabouts on the
'bent, but then again I don't enjoy sharing them with
anything else on any of my bikes. Being on the 'bent
doesn't really make any difference to me. If there's an
oncoming HGV I don't really see that it makes that much
difference to either party whether I'm at car seat height
(which is where my 'bent puts me) or perched on a pole 50
cm higher: I'm just as visible either way and I'm just as
buggered if one hits me.

If your touring bike doesn't do urban traffic might as well
leave it home on a great many trips. Comparing my recumbent
to an upright road racer in traffic, the braking is
substantially better and doesn't tend to throw me over the
bars if it's sudden, and my default view is where I'm going
rather than the road a couple of meters ahead of the front
wheel. The tyres and suspension can cope better with pothole
disaster zones, plus the "wtf factor" generally means I get
given more space. Having said that, my Brompton is nippier
through gaps than either a racer or any 'bent I've seen, and
I get a better view ahead than either of the others too.

But the "you must be so vulnerable down there!" is a not so
much a Frequently Asked Question as a Frequently Imposed
Statement, and as always the response from those of us
regularly riding 'bents is that the problem appears largely
in other peoples' heads, but not ours, and seemingly not
those who might be running us down. Give it a try, and you
might find they work better than you might think outside of
touring wide open country lanes.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote:

: <snip> You could get all of that with the right recumbent,
: /and/ be more comfortable than the hybrid. And as you seem
: to like grabbing attention you'd be in serious heaven.

I must be in a grumpy mood today, but how about giving the
whole "you need a recumbent" answer to every single post a
rest. This isn't having a go at you Pete, but I'm beginning
to feel that urc is turning into a recumbent advocacy group.
They are wonderful things, but not for everyone or
everything.

For starters, if you remember how much Simon's road bike
cost him...

Arthur

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Arthur Clune said:

Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote:

: <snip> You could get all of that with the right
: recumbent, /and/ be more comfortable than the hybrid. And
: as you seem to like grabbing attention you'd be in
: serious heaven.

I must be in a grumpy mood today, but how about giving
the whole "you need a recumbent" answer to every single
post a rest.

My impression is that Pete has already dramatically reduced
his frequency of doing this.

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wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde
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like grabbing attention

Quoted message said:

you'd be in serious heaven.

Not so much that , but it's good to have a positive self
image, without
going over the top. It beats being miserable about yourself
any day :-)

If I was the sort of person you might be thinking I was, I'd
have a tattoo, piercings, mobile phone, personalised number
plate, personal organiser to plan "my life", flash clothes,
"be seen" in the most expensive restaurants, go smoozing
with the gaffers after work and all of that caper.

I have or do none of the above, so feeling good on a push
bike is not exactly the height of vanity, is it :-)

--
Simon M.

Arthur Clune said:

I must be in a grumpy mood today, but how about giving the
whole "you n=

eed

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a recumbent" answer to every single post a rest.=20

It would be a fair complaint if I gave it to /every/ post.
But if I=20 thought it was the answer to everything, I
wouldn't regularly use two=20 uprights (which I also say
nice things about and recommend) in my=20 everyday cycling.

Quoted message said:

This isn't having a go at you Pete, but I'm beginning to
feel that urc is turning into a recumbent ad=

vocacy

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group. They are wonderful things, but not for everyone or
everything.=20

My own cycle use of uprights on a regular basis acknowledges
the fact,=20 but of those who try them there is a
considerable degree of advocacy.=20 Maybe that's because
they solve some problems very well? Is such=20 advocation
really a bad thing, and/or is it any worse than
advocating,=20 say, Brooks saddles, which are proven
solutions but need a bit of extra=20 persuasion because
they're not the currently accepted norm?

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For starters, if you remember how much Simon's road bike
cost him...

Price is a /good/ reason not to get one for many, but I've
not said=20 otherwise, and it wasn't in the scope of the
original post. I just said =

if you want a Big Grin feeling without certain comfort
downsides (as=20 listed by Simon) of an upright racer there
was a way to achieve that. I =

don't think that's really going too far, and certainly not
saying a=20 'bent is right for everyone and everything. ISTR
the last bike I=20 recommended here was a Ridgeback Speed
=A3200 hybrid, hardly the work of = a=20 man who says "you
need a recumbent" answer to every single post!

Pete. --=20 Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382
660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44
1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
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Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote:

: <snip> You could get all of that with the right
: recumbent, /and/ be more comfortable than the hybrid.
: And as you seem to like grabbing attention you'd be in
: serious heaven.

I must be in a grumpy mood today, but how about giving the
whole "you need a recumbent" answer to every single post a
rest. This isn't having a go at

you

Quoted message said:

Pete, but I'm beginning to feel that urc is turning into a
recumbent

advocacy

Quoted message said:

group. They are wonderful things, but not for everyone or
everything.

For starters, if you remember how much Simon's road bike
cost him...

It wasn't *that* expensive as far as road bikes go but
it was bought with a one off bonus and I'll seriously
dent my beer money by getting another machine :-)
--

Simon M.

Simon Mason said:

I've had a couple of months commuting on my road bike as
opposed to the hybrid and here are the impressions I get.
I was going to do a pros and cons, but the same points
would be duplicated, so I've done pros. This is commuting
across a port city with heavy HGV usage and where off road
tracks exist as well as major dual carriageways.

Hybrid>

Puncture proof tyres remove the fear of riding over
glass, thorns, tacks etc. More comfortable riding
position with flat bars and bar ends. Simple gear shifter
using SRAM gripshift, can go from 7 to 1 with one twist.
Able to use converted rail lines as a commute. Full
mudguards mean can commute in heavy rain without getting
covered in muck. Can vary route more widely. Example; sun
comes out, can ride home along estuary river bank. Less
risk of getting stolen. 38C tyres give more comfortable
ride. Not done a century on a road bike yet, but at the
moment I'd use a hybrid for the comfort factor alone.
Saddle offers more comfort. Rubber on bars easier on
hands than tape. See more flora and fauna when on off
road routes. No worrying about whether that 38 tonne
lorry coming up behind you is the last thing you will
ever see. More nice smells of nature on off road routes
as proposed to traffic fumes. Reduced road rage concerns
due to less motor traffic around.

Road>
Much faster commute (35 mins vs 55 mins) than hybrid due
to faster cruising speed, new tarmac, reduced wind drag
and more direct route. Feeling like you're riding a laser
guided missile :-) You stand out from the crowd; seeing a
roadie on a commute is very rare these days. Actually get
waved at by riders who used to ignore you. Middle aged
women in cars smile at you as your tanned limbs whizz by
;-) The ability to chuck the thing round corners without
slowing down. Little boys ask you how much your bike is
mister. You are actually willing the alarm clock to go off
in the morning so you can ride to work! You can wear
figure hugging clothes to show the body you've worked hard
all winter for. You get to eat "fat inducing" carbs like
spuds and bananas guilt free ;-) You can visualise the
people on a bike in a sweaty gym looking at someone's bum
in the knowledge that this isn't costing you anything and
is infinitely more fun. You could get someone asking you
if you'd swap their Porsche for your bike and you'd turn
them down.

All in all, the road bike is more fun, but the hybrid
commute is safer.

Maybe you might think that a tourer like the Dawes Sardar or
Thorn Sherpa could be ideal for your needs?

Ed

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Puncture proof tyres remove the fear of riding over glass,
thorns, tacks etc.

Check.

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Can vary route more widely. Example; sun comes out, can
ride home along estuary river bank.

Check.

Quoted message said:

Much faster commute (35 mins vs 55 mins) than hybrid due
to faster cruising speed, new tarmac, reduced wind drag
and more direct route. Feeling like you're riding a laser
guided missile :-)

Much to the surprise of all those motorists stuck in the
traffic jam alongside.

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Actually get waved at by riders who used to ignore you.

Check.

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Middle aged women in cars smile at you as your tanned
limbs whizz by

Middle aged woman got chatting to me as I was locking my
bike up in town on Saturday. Getting a bit too friendly
really, she wasn't my type ;-)

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;-) The ability to chuck the thing round corners without
slowing down.

Oh yes. Check.

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You are actually willing the alarm clock to go off in the
morning so you can ride to work!

I really enjoy going to work. I really look forward to it.
It's just once I'm there I hate it.

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You get to eat "fat inducing" carbs like spuds and bananas
guilt free

If only the diet-girls ahead of me in the canteen queue
would hurry up with their calorie counting.

Quoted message said:

;-) You can visualise the people on a bike in a sweaty gym
looking at someone's bum in the knowledge that this isn't
costing you anything and is infinitely more fun.

Oh definitely.

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You could get someone asking you if you'd swap their
Porsche for your bike and you'd turn them down.

Check. I like my bike thankyou.

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"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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you'd be in serious heaven.

Not so much that , but it's good to have a positive self
image, without
going over the top. It beats being miserable about yourself
any day :-)

If I was the sort of person you might be thinking I was,
I'd have a tattoo, piercings, mobile phone, personalised
number plate, personal organiser to plan "my life",
flash clothes, "be seen" in the most expensive
restaurants, go smoozing with the gaffers after work and
all of that caper.

I have or do none of the above, so feeling good on a push
bike is not exactly the height of vanity, is it :-)

No chainring tattoo? And I thought you were a serious
cyclist!

:-)
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naked triathletes running across your lawn, that's just a
waste of exhibitionism."
- Kibo

Simon Mason said:

If I was the sort of person you might be thinking I was,
I'd have a tattoo, piercings, mobile phone, personalised
number plate, personal organiser to plan "my life",
flash clothes, "be seen" in the most expensive
restaurants, go smoozing with the gaffers after work and
all of that caper.

I have or do none of the above, so feeling good on a push
bike is not exactly the height of vanity, is it :-)

I do have a mobile 'phone, which usually lives at home and
is turned on about once a month on average, but aside from
that I don't qualify on the above either. But it's rather
fun cruising past folk who have their minds visibly blown
by your progress, often to the strains of "Wow! Cool!"[1]
or similar.

Pete.

[1] you get some derision too, but the +ve greatly
outweighs the -ve
IME. The Brompton just gets laughed at unless it's seen
folding or unfolding, people don't seem to have made
up their minds about the 8 yet, and I seem to get a
fair bit of respect on the Muni.
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33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
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I thought of another change with a road bike - I do not feel
the need to race anybody anymore. When a roadie used to
overtake me, I felt this compulsion to tack onto his back
wheel for as long as possible - not any more. It's like the
old Kung Fu show with David Carradine.

He had branded a dragon on his forearm as part of his
martial arts ceremony and when he got mixed up with
some hoodlums, they'd see that dragon and know not to
mess with him.

He wasn't a violent or aggresive man by nature, but people
knew he had the sanction available if needed and it's a bit
like that ;-)

I tried the same thing when I was a boy, but I found that
Morphy Richards on my arm didn't carry the same kudos.

--
Simon M.

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Clinch said:

Simon Mason said:

Road>

<snip> You could get all of that with the right
recumbent, /and/ be more comfortable than the hybrid.
And as you seem to like grabbing attention you'd be in
serious heaven.

Pete.

I am very, very tempted to get myself a recumbent for
touring. But in busy city traffic I already feel uneasy on
my roadbike. Are you seriously saying that you enjoy
sharing roundabouts with lorries and buses on a recumbent
that's the height of their wheels, Pete ?

I was put off when the Sinclair C5 came out and I actually
saw one on a busy road amongst HGVs

--
Simon M.

Simon Mason said:

I was put off when the Sinclair C5 came out and I
actually saw one on a busy road amongst HGVs

Why not be put off them because they were [censored]? ;-/

Do you really think being a bit higher makes you that
much less vulnerable once you're out of the direct sight
of the cab? Or that it makes you that much more visible
when you are in direct sight of the cab? You're shafted
in any case if you get hit, and most of us on 'bents find
we get more space which is /very/ nice when mixing it
with trucks and buses.

Pete.
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33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
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Arthur Clune said:

Quoted message said:

You could get all of that with the right recumbent, /and/
be more comfortable than the hybrid. And as you seem to
like grabbing attention you'd be in serious heaven.

Quoted message said:

I must be in a grumpy mood today,

Seems that way :-)

Quoted message said:

but how about giving the whole "you need a recumbent"
answer to every single post a rest. This isn't having a go
at you Pete, but I'm beginning to feel that urc is turning
into a recumbent advocacy group. They are wonderful
things, but not for everyone or everything.

Unfair. It is one of the types of bike which merits
consideration given the OPs stated needs; unless it is
suggested it is unlikely that the OP would think of it.

The fact that the suggestion is frequently made does not
make it wrong or irrelevant.

--
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Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote:
: ISTR the last bike I recommended here was a Ridgeback
: Speed £200 hybrid, hardly the work of a man who says "you
: need a recumbent" answer to every single post!

I apologise - I was in a grumpy mood. So sorry.

Arthur

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- Paulina Borsook

Arthur Clune said:

I apologise - I was in a grumpy mood. So sorry.

Nae bother Arthur, hope that the cloud has lifted, wheels
are running freely etc.

Pete.
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