I don't know what to call this.

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

Dear Hobbes,

Thank you very much!

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"

http://cruzbike.com/

Chalo

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

Needs these tho

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel

Chalo said:

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

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I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"

That [censored]'s a ripoff, they whip it with air so you think you're
getting more.

Chalo said:

The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"

http://cruzbike.com/

I don't own one, but it IS the least-expensive fully-suspended recumbent
available. $400 plus a suitable MTB, most others are well over twice that.

I find that SWB's sit too high off the ground for my tastes, but if I
had a lot of dirt roads to ride, I'd sure consider it.
~

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

I'd call it the worst of all worlds.

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Quoted message said:

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

Needs these tho

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel

What is your fixation with the Crank Brothers wheels?

Your main argument was that companies should stick with what they know and
that Crank Brother should have continued to just make pedals. The problem
with this theory is that their first product was a tire lever. If they
didn't go into different products they never would have developed the
pedals.

Hobbes who? writes:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

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I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

I know what to call it:

Front wheel drive recumbent.

There have been a few of these.

Jobst Brandt

landotter said:

Chalo said:

The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"

That [censored]'s a ripoff, they whip it with air so you think you're
getting more.

Actually they use nitrogen so it doesn't instantly go rancid. I think
the bike went rancid, though.

Chalo

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

Looks like a good pick.

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Hobbes who? writes:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

I know what to call it:

Front wheel drive recumbent.

There have been a few of these.

Jobst Brandt

I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel drive
on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's almost
impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's unstable.

Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

"Federal Health Adivsory: Prolonged cell phone use may damage your
DNA"

--D-y

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Hobbes who? writes:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

I know what to call it:

Front wheel drive recumbent.

There have been a few of these.

Jobst Brandt

I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel drive
on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's almost
impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's unstable.

I've never heard this, and haven't heard it from any Cruzbike owners.

It's noted that the drive setup which the Cruzbike uses can cause a bit
of "wandering" left and right with pedaling, but nothing more. Riding
no-handed is not just possible--it's almost always possible, because you
can steer with your legs.

Cruzbike did not invent the drive setup, home-builders had been doing it
for a very long time--particularly with lowracers, but with bikes of all
types.
~

Petey Mills said:

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I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

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I know what to call it:

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Front wheel drive recumbent.

Quoted message said:

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There have been a few of these.

Quoted message said:

I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel
drive on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's
almost impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's
unstable.

I think you got that wrong. On that bais the Megola motorcycle would
not have been radily rideable.

http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/megola.htm

Jobst Brandt

Petey Mills said:

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http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

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I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

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I know what to call it:

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Front wheel drive recumbent.

Quoted message said:

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There have been a few of these.

Quoted message said:

I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel
drive on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's
almost impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's
unstable.

I think you got that wrong. On that basis the Megola motorcycle would
not have been readily ridable.

http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/megola.htm

Jobst Brandt

Frank Drackman said:

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Hobbes@spnb&s.com said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

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I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

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Needs these tho

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...

What is your fixation with the Crank Brothers wheels?

Your main argument was that companies should stick with what they know and
that Crank Brother should have continued to just make pedals. The problem
with this theory is that their first product was a tire lever. If they
didn't go into different products they never would have developed the
pedals.

What is your fixation with my fixation?
Try not to lose yer sense of humor here....talking about toys
afterall.

Buy some of these wheels..tell us what ya think.

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Frank Drackman said:

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On Sep 17, 9:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

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> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

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Needs these tho

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...

What is your fixation with the Crank Brothers wheels?

Your main argument was that companies should stick with what they know
and
that Crank Brother should have continued to just make pedals. The
problem
with this theory is that their first product was a tire lever. If they
didn't go into different products they never would have developed the
pedals.

What is your fixation with my fixation?
Try not to lose yer sense of humor here....talking about toys
afterall.

Buy some of these wheels..tell us what ya think.

I am waiting for them to come out in yellow!

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Hobbes who? writes:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.

I know what to call it:

Front wheel drive recumbent.

There have been a few of these.

Jobst Brandt

I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel drive
on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's almost
impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's unstable.

Dear Pete,

Sorry . . .

But it's so easy to ride fixed-gear bicycles backward that German and
Asian high-school students do it just to make me grit my teeth.

Here's one particularly annoying female:

http://www.glumbert.com/media/bikerobatics

She starts riding her fixie backwards on two wheels about the middle
of the clip, after already riding it backwards no-hands on one wheel
using only one foot to pedal. They call it "artistic cycling," if you
want to see more of it. I call it--

Er, never mind.

Anyway, those kids can ride fixies backward and upside down and just
about anything else that occurs to you.

As for front wheel-drive recumbents, just google for "front wheel
drive" and recumbent, and you'll get over 25,000 hits:

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=%22front+wheel+drive%22+recumbent&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

Here's a page for such odd beasts:

http://traylorfwd.home.mindspring.com/fwd.html

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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Petey Mills said:

Quoted message said:

http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
I know what to call it:
Front wheel drive recumbent.
There have been a few of these.

I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel
drive on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's
almost impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's
unstable.

I think you got that wrong. On that basis the Megola motorcycle would
not have been readily ridable.

http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/megola.htm

Jobst Brandt

Interesting. Seems that there are quite a few of these things out
there:
http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/psychology/bok/fwd.html
http://traylorfwd.home.mindspring.com/fwd.html
http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/tony/
http://bike-recumbent.com/fwd1.shtml

Now that I recall, it wasn't front-wheel drive they were objecting to,
it was rear-wheel steering:
http://wannee.nl/hpv/abt/e-index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Rear-wheel_steering