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  1. Original post
    Michelle
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    Yeah, Michelle thinking; that's dangerous. You can smell the wood
    burning. Etc.

    I ran five miles today, and knocked 57 seconds off my previous best five
    miles (or about 11 seconds a mile), which was last week.

    So has my recent improvements been because
    1. All my running is finally paying off?
    2. The work I've been doing on my core muscles is paying off?
    3. The temperature is lower?
    4. Something else?

    Or a combination of two or more of the above?

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    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

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  2. Doug Freese
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    On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:34:47 -0700, Michelle <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, Michelle thinking; that's dangerous. You can smell the wood
    burning. Etc.

    I ran five miles today, and knocked 57 seconds off my previous best five
    miles (or about 11 seconds a mile), which was last week.

    So has my recent improvements been because
    1. All my running is finally paying off?
    2. The work I've been doing on my core muscles is paying off?
    3. The temperature is lower?
    4. Something else?

    Or a combination of two or more of the above?

    Or 5, those male hormones you've been taking since the surgery have
    boosted your strength.

    -DF

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    Doug Freese said:

    -DF

    Douglass Freese in a thread with "thinking" in the thread? That just
    doesn't add up.

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  4. Charlie Pendejo
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    Michelle said:

    So has my recent improvements been because
    1. All my running is finally paying off?
    3. The temperature is lower?

    These two. Just like every other runner, you'll [a] be able to run
    faster at lower temps (well, down to some limit probably around 55F
    +/- ten degrees, depending on some variety of factors), and [b] make
    relatively rapid gains in your first few years of consistent running.

    Though eleven seconds per mile, a week later, is assuredly not pure
    training effect. Better temps, and who knows, maybe you just had a
    better day.

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  5. Michelle
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    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [quote="Charlie Pendejo"]

    Quoted message said:

    So has my recent improvements been because
    1. All my running is finally paying off?
    3. The temperature is lower?



    These two. Just like every other runner, you'll [a] be able to run
    faster at lower temps (well, down to some limit probably around 55F
    +/- ten degrees, depending on some variety of factors), and [b] make
    relatively rapid gains in your first few years of consistent running.

    Though eleven seconds per mile, a week later, is assuredly not pure
    training effect. Better temps, and who knows, maybe you just had a
    better day.[/quote]

    It was actually warmer when I ran today than when I ran a week ago, but
    overall, the temperature has been 10 to 15 degrees cooler than a month
    ago.

    Last week, I cut about 3 1/2 minutes off the five-mile time compared to
    a month earlier, and on Sunday, I did eight miles at about the same pace
    as I did five miles earlier in the week.

    I guess that part of it is that I'm getting psyched about the race,
    which is in less than three weeks, and that my improvements are also
    improving my morale and attitude.

    But you don't think that strengthening my core had anything to do with
    it? Or that six weeks isn't enough time to strengthen the core enough
    to matter?

    Thanks for the feedback.

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    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

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  6. Charlie Pendejo
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    Michelle said:

    But you don't think that strengthening my core had anything to
    do with it? Or that six weeks isn't enough time to strengthen
    the core enough to matter?

    My opinion is that what mostly helps us become faster runners
    (especially on a mostly flattish road or track course) is {a] training
    by running, and [b] moving toward our "ideal" running weights. I
    suppose sufficiently high volumes of other aerobic training like Tom
    B's cycling is also demonstrably useful but that doesn't apply to your
    recent gains.

    I think auxiliary strength training is mostly useful to runners by
    allowing them to hold up better to their running training. I suppose
    maybe there are also some initial gains in say better posture ->
    quicker pace, if you correct weaknesses that were holding back your
    form. But once you've got "sufficient" strength, whatever that is, I
    doubt that gaining more will have as much direct impact on running
    performance.

    But this whole strength business ain't really my thing - others will
    have stronger and better-founded opinions. Do *you* feel the core
    work has wrought changes in your performance, form/posture, and/or how
    you feel?

    Motivation as the race nears, I can buy that. I think especially for
    a relative beginner, a lot of the changes from training are more
    mental (and/or emotional) than we commonly think. As just one example
    among zillions, think of how different a four or five mile run seemed
    not so many weeks ago when it was your longest run to date vs. now
    that it's only half your long run.

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  7. Michelle
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    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [quote="Charlie Pendejo"]My opinion is that what mostly helps us become faster runners
    (especially on a mostly flattish road or track course) is {a]
    training by running, and [b] moving toward our "ideal" running
    weights.[/quote]

    I've been doing both. I've lost close to 20 pounds since I started
    fitness walking (a year and a half before I began to run), at least half
    of that has been since I started running.

    Quoted message said:

    I think auxiliary strength training is mostly useful to runners by
    allowing them to hold up better to their running training. I suppose
    maybe there are also some initial gains in say better posture ->
    quicker pace, if you correct weaknesses that were holding back your
    form.



    That's my point.

    Quoted message said:

    Do *you* feel the core work has wrought changes in your performance,
    form/posture, and/or how you feel?



    I believe so, but I'm not sure. I know that my poor results in mid
    August were right after I started strength training, but when we
    eliminated general strength training and concentrated on the core, I
    started improving again, but slowly until last week, when the
    improvements became much more pronounced.

    Quoted message said:

    As just one example among zillions, think of how different a four or
    five mile run seemed not so many weeks ago when it was your longest
    run to date vs. now that it's only half your long run.



    Oh, you don't have to tell me to think that; I've already thought it.
    I'm already thinking "only" before "five miles" when starting out.

    One thing that I've finally gotten through my head is to start out
    slowly for the first mile (or two or three on a long run); it really
    helps keeping up the distance. My splits today were
    14:19, 14:01, 13:26, 13:09, 13:06

    --
    Crossing the starting line is 90%.
    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

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