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  1. At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    It would be nice if anyone knows a link to a place where I can buy it
    on-line.

    Also I would appreciate any link that shows design of a rear axle of a
    trike (I want to build a trike with one front and two rear wheels).

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  2. I think what you're looking for is a *wheelchair* hub. I know I've
    seen wheels for wheelchairs, but I don't know where you'd find the hub.

  3. On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:07:54 +0100, Yvan <[email hidden]> wroat:

    Quoted message said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    At the Toronto Auto Show Land Rover displayed a concept MTB (on a rack
    attached to a concept SUV) that had only one fork. Silly.

    Cam

  4. Like this, maybe...

    http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/images/Interbike%20Shows/Interbike2002/Orange_leftie.jpg

    I've only seen them in the mountain bike magazines.

  5. Search on something like Yahoo for "one legged bike fork" and you ought
    to find some useful info.

  6. Yvan said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    Yvan:

    Yes, it is called a hub. Hubs like the one in your picture are used on
    wheelchairs and carts and trikes. They are not used on many bicycles.

    Some of the trikes I'm familiar with use "downhill" mountain bike hubs,
    which have a 20mm diameter axle, like this:
    http://www.chucksbikes.com/store/hufor.htm
    You'll need to build your own mount for the hub and brake.

    You should ask this question of the recumbent trike builders. There are
    a few scattered over the world, and many of them sell parts to people
    who are building their own trikes. Here's a couple manufacturers:
    http://www.steintrikes.com/
    http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/
    http://www.greenspeed.com.au/
    http://www.catrike.com/
    http://www.hotmover.com/
    Many of these companies are used to speaking with non-English speakers.

    There are also discussion groups that talk about nothing but recumbent
    trikes. If there's anything more you need, you will get better answers
    from one of these:
    http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/trikes
    http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/forumdisplay.php?f=13
    http://www.recumbents.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=7

    Jeff

  7. Yvan said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    It would be nice if anyone knows a link to a place where I can buy it
    on-line.

    Also I would appreciate any link that shows design of a rear axle of a
    trike (I want to build a trike with one front and two rear wheels).

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    One place to look is Phil Wood:
    philwood.compwheelchair.htm
    The have both threaded and quick release versions that will work. Prices are high, but stregth and reliability are high also.
    I have some 32H and 28H Quick Release style Phil Wood Wheelchair hubs.
    David Ornee, Western Springs, IL

  8. On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:10:39 GMT, Cam <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:07:54 +0100, Yvan <[email hidden]> wroat:

    Quoted message said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    At the Toronto Auto Show Land Rover displayed a concept MTB (on a rack
    attached to a concept SUV) that had only one fork. Silly.

    Cam

    Dear Cam,

    Google for "Cannondale Lefty"--it's quite a popular mono-leg
    design.

    Carl Fogel

  9. JeffWills said:

    You should ask this question of the recumbent trike builders. There


    are

    Quoted message said:

    a few scattered over the world, and many of them sell parts to people
    who are building their own trikes. Here's a couple manufacturers:
    http://www.steintrikes.com/

    Furthermore, soon there will be even more specialized one-side mount
    hubs available on the market for home-builders and interested
    manufacturers. The first set of prototypes are currently on the customs
    check, but once they get here, we'll post a few images and information
    about them.

    What is so interesting about these new hubs? Well, the common disc
    brake hub is designed for 26" rims, coming in approximately 55mm width
    (center to center of the flanges) and around 58-60mm diameter of the
    spoke holes. This results in around 12-13 degree angle between the L &
    R side spokes and that works fine on the 26" wheel. However, on a
    smaller rim, say 349ISO rims, the tension on the spokesis much greater
    than on the large wheel, the spokes must bend much more and when
    tightening the nipple, the section of the spoke where the thread starts
    is already loaded in a wrong fashion, it gets bent, especially if the
    rim comes with eyelets that tend to keep the direction of the spoke
    closer to the above mentioned 12-13 degree angle. This reduces the
    lifetime of the average spoke on a wheel with a big hub and small rim.

    I took the time to investigate this detail further and have designed a
    hub that is narrower beween the flanges by some 20mm (also reduced the
    overall width) which should result with several minor benefits for use
    on small rims. One of them is the better, that is, correct angle of the
    spokes laced into a small rim, less weight, better aerodynamics of the
    wheel (not much, but the effect should exist) and that will also allow
    use of shorter axles, less weight, less kingpin inclination to achieve
    center point steering, and with that less distortion in steering
    designs when the wheel is not in straight ahead direction. Some might
    not know that steep kingpin inclinations result with raising/lowering
    the steering rod ends during turns. That results with more or less
    unpredictable steering design layouts, and if someone designs a
    steering layout that looks perfect on paper, it all might be ruined by
    distortions that come from the vertical movement of the rod end on the
    steering rods.

    There is so much more to tell about steering designs, but that gets way
    off the topic...

    Cheers,

    Robert Stein

  10. Yvan said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    You want a wheelchair hub. Phil Wood makes some of the best of these:

    http://www.philwood.com/pwheelchair.htm

    --

    John ([email hidden])

  11. John Thompson said:
    Yvan said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    You want a wheelchair hub. Phil Wood makes some of the best of these:

    http://www.philwood.com/pwheelchair.htm

    Phil Wood made a batch of custom disc brake trike hubs for a now defunct
    trike manufacturer:
    <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df11.jpg>,
    <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df12.jpg> and
    <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df13.jpg>.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)

  12. Cam said:

    On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:07:54 +0100, Yvan <[email hidden]> wroat:

    Quoted message said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    At the Toronto Auto Show Land Rover displayed a concept MTB (on a rack
    attached to a concept SUV) that had only one fork. Silly.

    Using a monostrut [1] allows for better routing of the chain by the
    front wheel. 🙂

    [1] By definition, something with one leg can not be a fork.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)

  13. Yvan said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    It would be nice if anyone knows a link to a place where I can buy it
    on-line.

    Also I would appreciate any link that shows design of a rear axle of a
    trike (I want to build a trike with one front and two rear wheels).

    We sell the Phil Wood hubs of that style.
    I build wheelchair wheels on them

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  14. Tom Sherman said:

    [1] By definition, something with one leg can not be a fork.

    Searching on the internet, you have to think like other people think,
    even if it ain't exactly right. =]

  15. catzz66 said:
    Tom Sherman said:

    [1] By definition, something with one leg can not be a fork.

    Searching on the internet, you have to think like other people think,
    even if it ain't exactly right. =]

    I have seen the term "monofork" commonly used.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)

  16. Nedavno JeffWills pise:

    | Some of the trikes I'm familiar with use "downhill" mountain bike
    | hubs, which have a 20mm diameter axle, like this:
    | http://www.chucksbikes.com/store/hufor.htm
    | You'll need to build your own mount for the hub and brake.

    So the ones I found that "take a 20mm through axel" are the ones I need
    to look for?

    | You should ask this question of the recumbent trike builders. There
    | are a few scattered over the world, and many of them sell parts to
    | people who are building their own trikes. Here's a couple
    | manufacturers: http://www.steintrikes.com/
    | http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/
    | http://www.greenspeed.com.au/
    | http://www.catrike.com/
    | http://www.hotmover.com/
    | Many of these companies are used to speaking with non-English
    | speakers.

    I will look into it. I already did some research, but it seems that this
    hub type is expensive (at least looking from where I am). Phil Wood
    products are out of my price range.

    | There are also discussion groups that talk about nothing but recumbent
    | trikes. If there's anything more you need, you will get better
    | answers from one of these:
    | http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/trikes
    | http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/forumdisplay.php?f=13
    | http://www.recumbents.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=7

    It seems that these forums are low volume, I posted the same question
    as I did here in alt.re.bicycles.recumbent and only got one post
    telling me that aluminum hubs are better than steal (they break spokes
    apparently).

    Anyway thanks for your and others help, I will be looking for hubs with
    20mm axle (If you all agree that this will be good for trike use).

    And another question. All the hubs I've seen are the same design, and
    that is OK for one (free with brake) rear wheel, but I also need
    another type of hub design, that is fixed to the axle. Axle can rotate
    and sprocket is fixed at it, and... Anyone understands what type of hub
    I am talking about? What would keywords for google search be?

    And If anyone knows where I can find good size photos of trike (quad)
    rear axle design, please post URL.

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  17. Yvan said:


    So the ones I found that "take a 20mm through axel" are the ones I


    need

    Quoted message said:

    to look for?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:


    | There are also discussion groups that talk about nothing but


    recumbent

    Quoted message said:

    | trikes. If there's anything more you need, you will get better
    | answers from one of these:
    | http://www.ihpva.org/mailman/listinfo/trikes
    | http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/forumdisplay.php?f=13
    | http://www.recumbents.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=7

    It seems that these forums are low volume, I posted the same question
    as I did here in alt.re.bicycles.recumbent and only got one post
    telling me that aluminum hubs are better than steal (they break


    spokes

    Quoted message said:

    apparently).

    alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent has been ruined by some very unkind people.
    The Bentrideronline forums are much better, but they require a lot of
    bandwidth. The IHPVA email list may be your best bet.

    Jeff

  18. Nedavno JeffWills pise:

    | alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent has been ruined by some very unkind people.
    | The Bentrideronline forums are much better, but they require a lot of
    | bandwidth. The IHPVA email list may be your best bet.

    OK. Thanks.

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  19. Cam said:

    On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:07:54 +0100, Yvan <[email hidden]> wroat:

    Quoted message said:

    At least that's what I think it is called (English is not my native
    language). Hire is a closeup photo of what I am talking about:

    http://www.ezdenver.com/raptor/steering.jpg

    It's the thing in a center of a wheel.

    The reason I am asking is that I do not need an ordinary hub but a
    stronger one that does not mount on a fork, but only on one side like
    in a photo (I am building a trike).

    At the Toronto Auto Show Land Rover displayed a concept MTB (on a rack
    attached to a concept SUV) that had only one fork. Silly.

    I should hope so... having two forks, stems, and two handlebars would make
    for some interesting controls!

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

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