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  1. daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  2. And again:

    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  3. Quoted message said:

    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

    Dear Jobst,

    Darn! I thought that it would be an article about
    sparking titanium.

    Ruefully,

    Carl Fogel

  4. Quoted message said:

    Darn! I thought that it would be an article about sparking
    titanium.

    ME TOO!!

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

    Dear Jobst,

    Darn! I thought that it would be an article about sparking
    titanium.

    Ruefully,

    Carl Fogel

  5. Darn! All along I thought that Iraquis commanded by Sadam
    Hussein were responsible for 9/11 and that he was the leader
    of Al Qaeida.

    I also thought that Osama Bin Laden was our friend. After
    all John Rambo, in Rambo III, joins his army to fight
    against the Russians in Afganistan. Also, Osama offered his
    army of holly warriors to fight against the Iraqis to expell
    them from Kuwait.

    Wasn't Sadam a good friend of us too? Didn't the Reagan
    administration gave him tons of weapons so that he could
    fight tht Iranians, our enemies? Wait.... I am more
    confused....didn't the Reagan administration also gave
    weapons to the Iranians in exchange for hostages.

    Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
    the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
    Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
    Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
    9/11?

    Can anyone clarify for me?

    Thanks,

    Andres

    [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  6. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Jobst Brandt
    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

    Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional yellow journalism at best.

    If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11 Commission and NOT some reporter's view.

  7. Quoted message said:

    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Y'know, I'd rather have a helmet flamewar than US politics.
    At least it's got something to do with bicycles!
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill
    the tomato!

  8. From the NYT, no less.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/25/politics/25TERR.html

  9. Weisse Luft said:

    From the NYT, no less.

    nytimes.com25TERR.html

    Yeah, like I'd give THOSE commies my personal info!

    Bill "standards" S.

  10. andres muro said:

    Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
    the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
    Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
    Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
    9/11?

    Can anyone clarify for me?

    Yes, the US Government have pandered to many nations who
    they think will help the USA cause, without thinking it
    fully through, then they get kicked up the ass when they
    realise the mistake they've made.They are currently feteing
    the Saudis as all thats good about the Gulf, when in effect
    the Saudi rulers are pretty much despots who cannot give a
    stuff about Human Rights,and just want to stay in power,
    much like the current US government, who think they can
    treat POW's with impunity,and hold them, without charge or
    access to independent lawyers, for as long as they feel fit.
    No, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, George Bush wanted a
    war, he was getting bored with Afghanistan, so needed
    something else to occupy him, and to keep all his friends,
    in business and arms supply, happy. Afghanistan is still a
    war zone in parts of the Country, and the poppy yield is
    going to be high this year, so next year when the cheap
    heroin is reaching the US cities, you can thank G.W.B. for
    his 'victory' in allowing the free market to flourish in the
    'liberated' Afghanistan. Alan.

  11. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by A.Lee

    BOn Fri said:

    Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
    the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
    Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
    Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
    9/11?

    Can anyone clarify for me?

    Yes, the US Government have pandered to many nations who
    they think will help the USA cause, without thinking it
    fully through, then they get kicked up the ass when they
    realise the mistake they've made.They are currently feteing
    the Saudis as all thats good about the Gulf, when in effect
    the Saudi rulers are pretty much despots who cannot give a
    stuff about Human Rights,and just want to stay in power,
    much like the current US government, who think they can
    treat POW's with impunity,and hold them, without charge or
    access to independent lawyers, for as long as they feel fit.
    No, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, George Bush wanted a
    war, he was getting bored with Afghanistan, so needed
    something else to occupy him, and to keep all his friends,
    in business and arms supply, happy. Afghanistan is still a
    war zone in parts of the Country, and the poppy yield is
    going to be high this year, so next year when the cheap
    heroin is reaching the US cities, you can thank G.W.B. for
    his 'victory' in allowing the free market to flourish in the
    'liberated' Afghanistan. Alan. [/B]

    Yet another fine example of yellow journalism.

  12. "andres muro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Darn! All along I thought that Iraquis commanded by Sadam
    Hussein were responsible for 9/11 and that he was the
    leader of Al Qaeida.

    I also thought that Osama Bin Laden was our friend. After
    all John Rambo, in Rambo III, joins his army to fight
    against the Russians in Afganistan. Also, Osama offered
    his army of holly warriors to fight against the Iraqis to
    expell them from Kuwait.

    Wasn't Sadam a good friend of us too? Didn't the Reagan
    administration gave him tons of weapons so that he could
    fight tht Iranians, our enemies? Wait.... I am more
    confused....didn't the Reagan administration also gave
    weapons to the Iranians in exchange for hostages.

    Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
    the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
    Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
    Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
    9/11?

    Can anyone clarify for me?

    Thanks,

    Andres

    Um, business as usual? I mean we are still up to all this
    [censored] and no one seems to care, as long as us Americans can
    drive our H2"s and Expeditions. At least Cheney is making a
    pile of money on all this war and lord know the Bush family
    is getting a little on the side. lol

    Well, time to start up my Ford F350 four door extended cab
    with the powerstroke with a cover over the bed because it
    never has anything in it but my fat ass and drive it down to
    the grocery to pick up all prepared foods because I am to
    lazy and fat to cook.

    Yee-haw IS now foreign policy! Curt

  13. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    And again:

    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

    About the political correctness of the Stanford Indian
    curriculum, not a chance!

  14. Weisse Luft snipes anonymously:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    daily.misleader.orgctt.asp

    Quoted message said:

    Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional
    yellow journalism at best.

    Quoted message said:

    If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11
    Commission and NOT some reporter's view.

    It's nice to see who the bushmen are, my country right or
    wrong, I'm for it and fly the flag proudly... as we did in
    the Viet Nam debacle.

    These are direct quotes from the president. He wouldn't
    mislead you would he? You don't have to read the facts if
    you don't like it. As you see as a latest twist, these
    administration is twisting the law into censoring Fahrenheit
    9/11. We'll see how the Supreme Court rules on that.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  15. (andres muro) said:

    Darn! All along I thought that Iraquis commanded by Sadam
    Hussein were responsible for 9/11 and that he was the
    leader of Al Qaeida.

    Huh? They weren't? He isn't?

    Quoted message said:

    I also thought that Osama Bin Laden was our friend. After
    all John Rambo, in Rambo III, joins his army to fight
    against the Russians in Afganistan. Also, Osama offered
    his army of holly warriors to fight


    ^^^^^

    Quoted message said:

    against the Iraqis to expell them from Kuwait.

    Militant Santa's elves converted to Islam?

    Quoted message said:

    Wasn't Sadam a good friend of us too? Didn't the Reagan
    administration gave him tons of weapons so that he could
    fight tht Iranians, our enemies? Wait.... I am more
    confused....didn't the Reagan administration also gave
    weapons to the Iranians in exchange for hostages.

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that
    the people that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi
    Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends? So, was it the
    Iraqis or the Saudis that caused 9/11?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    Can anyone clarify for me?

    No.

    The Reagan, Bush I and Bush II administrations were and are
    insane (and are the same groups of people, for the most
    part). None of them can do simple math, none of them knows
    how to operate a budget, none of them think the Constitution
    is worth defending if it gets in their way, and all of them
    know that if they lie long enough the majority of Americans
    will decide they are telling the truth. The neocons live by
    Wizard's First Rule.

    One can only hope for an ouster in November.

  16. So many "experts" here ballyhoo a mockumentary, get their news in easy to digest 30 second soundbites and exist on faults of logic.

    I would condemn the whole lot if it were not for luminaries like Bernard Goldberg. There is hope.

  17. Weisse Luft <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Jobst Brandt said:

    ader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227daily.mislea-daily.mislea-
    der.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

    Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional
    yellow journalism at best.

    If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11
    Commission and NOT some reporter's view.

    You mean the 9/11 Commission that was stacked by the GOP to
    whitewash the investigation with regard to Bush? Despite all
    their best efforts it don't look that good for your boy. I
    wonder what we would have found it if there had been some
    truly aggressive investigation, like demanding that Bush and
    Cheney be interviewed separately under oath, or if they had
    had supoena power and the will to use it.

    JP

  18. Weisse Luft said:
    A.Lee said:
    andres muro said:

    Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told
    me that the people that are responsible for 9/11 are
    all Saudi Arabians. Aren't the Saudis our friends?
    So, was it the Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
    9/11?

    Can anyone clarify for me?


    Yes, the US Government have pandered to many nations
    who they think will help the USA cause, without
    thinking it fully through, then they get kicked up the
    ass when they realise the mistake they've made.They
    are currently feteing the Saudis as all thats good
    about the Gulf, when in effect the Saudi rulers are
    pretty much despots who cannot give a stuff about
    Human Rights,and just want to stay in power, much like
    the current US government, who think they can treat
    POW's with impunity,and hold them, without charge or
    access to independent lawyers, for as long as they
    feel fit. No, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, George
    Bush wanted a war, he was getting bored with
    Afghanistan, so needed something else to occupy him,
    and to keep all his friends, in business and arms
    supply, happy. Afghanistan is still a war zone in
    parts of the Country, and the poppy yield is going to
    be high this year, so next year when the cheap heroin
    is reaching the US cities, you can thank
    G.W.B. for his 'victory' in allowing the free market
    to flourish in the 'liberated' Afghanistan.
    Alan.

    Quoted message said:

    Yet another fine example of yellow journalism.

    Sorry, but which of the above statements are not true? Clue:
    they are all true. Didnt a poll show that something like 60%
    of US citizens thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11? Your
    fellow Countrymen need to be told the truth.(no I'm not
    condoning 9/11,it was terrible), but GWB is a complete idiot
    who is turning the World against him and the US.After 9/11
    the World was prepared to back the US, now who is standing
    by Bush? - only Blair, Bush's UK lapdog, who is also in the
    [censored] for his unjustified claims about Iraq, the difference
    in the UK is that the media discloses the true facts, not
    the censored versions published in the US. Alan. .

  19. Where's Mark Hickey on this one?

    delete the W in both the email address and White House

  20. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Jp
    Weisse Luft <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Jobst Brandt said:

    ader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227daily.mislea-daily.mislea-
    der.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

    Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional
    yellow journalism at best.

    If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11
    Commission and NOT some reporter's view.



    You mean the 9/11 Commission that was stacked by the GOP to
    whitewash the investigation with regard to Bush? Despite all
    their best efforts it don't look that good for your boy. I
    wonder what we would have found it if there had been some
    truly aggressive investigation, like demanding that Bush and
    Cheney be interviewed separately under oath, or if they had
    had supoena power and the will to use it.

    JP

    There you go again, throwing out co-opted ideas, hoping they stick as facts. Without referencing any external information, its unlikely you could name 4 members of this commission.

    Go back to school, the adults are in charge.

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