Iconic American

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:41:57 +0100, "Giusi" <[email hidden]>

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I adore N.O. food and Cajun food, but Italians are a bit shy about spicy
hot and my Gumbo recipe is so expensive to make here that I never do it. I
did it twice for small dinners. I figured about ?15 per person! I'd have
to order the oysters, for example, and they come in their shells and cost
?2+ per oyster. Fish costs a bomb here, other than mussels. My Prudhonne
gumbo is jammed with shellfish. I can't afford that for a bunch, and
especially if many say, "esaggerato!" and don't even eat it.

You could make chicken gumbo ( chicken & sausage), and tone down the
spices. This would be quite inexpensive, and you could use an
andouille sausage from france.I don't know if you could find File
powder ( powered sassafras leaves) in your area.

Indian pudding, made by native americans, not those from India.
Add some California wine and your set.

Giusi said:

Can you imagine the dogana hangup if I import a case of US wine to Italia?
I sent an antique ring to my kid via UPS 2 years ago. It was tiny. It cost
?42 to send it.

You do not have to import it yourself, just buy it from an online
purveyor in Italy, or an EU country. Surely there are some such
sources? It certainly is not a problem in Germany. I have found the
following in about two minutes, just as an example:

<http://www.vinibianchirossi.com/vendita-vini/vini-california/california-wine.asp>

<http://www.winet.it/italiano/prodotti_articoli.asp?Categoria=*****&ZonaProduzione=RA&Produttore=*****&Annata=*****&PrezzoDa=&PrezzoA=&STATO=T&Ricarica=&Ricerca=Avanzata>

<http://www.dileva.it/shop/scat.asp?ctg=Vini+internazionali&sctg=California&lg=it>

<http://www.divinegolositatoscane.it/cgi-bin/articoli.cgi?per_pagina=30&r=11&cod_scat=&cod_cat=&cat=23|0|99&ricerca=&cod_regio=&slowfood=&ordina=nome_asc&limit=0&limite_inf=0&pag=1>
The shipping charges here are 7 euros for orders under 100 euros.

Victor

Janet Baraclough said:

Syllabub and cheesecake are such common foods in Europe, would Italians
interpret them as a "taste of American cooking"?

Italians generally know quite a bit about their country's - and
particularly their region's - cuisine. It is my impression that they
generally do not know much more about cooking in other European
countries than they they do about American cooking, though. I'm pretty
sure few of them have heard about syllabub and their mascarpone
concoctions bear little resemblance to most other cheesecake-like
creations. Anyway, cheesecakes are vastly different in different
countries.

Quoted message said:

Exactly. To Brits, apple pie (and syllabub) are regarded as native
dishes of their own country; not remotely as American recipes. AIUI,
Giusi is aiming to give her guests something uniquely American.

I do not think she does. It would be generally pointless, anyway. Most
all-American foods are anything but unique. The unique ones are
regional and rarely eaten by Americans elsewhere. Few of them can be
called "iconic", as far as I am concerned.

Victor

Pan Ohco said:

You could make chicken gumbo ( chicken & sausage), and tone down the
spices. This would be quite inexpensive, and you could use an
andouille sausage from france.

The French andouille is totally different. It is a chitterling sausage.
Besides, it is highly unlikely it can be found in Umbria.

Victor

One time on Usenet said:

Tracy said:

What about cupcakes for dessert?
I just came across a recipe for vanilla cream filled, ganache frosted,
chocolate cupcakes. I think it was on the foodnetwork website.

Jeeze, Tracy.... be kind. Post the recipe! 🙂
I think chocolate filled cupcakes ala molten chocolate cake would be
*deeeevine*!

I must be thinking shrimp, I read that as "deveined"... ;-)

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:17:01 GMT, [email hidden] (Little

Malice) said:

One time on Usenet said:

Tracy said:

What about cupcakes for dessert?
I just came across a recipe for vanilla cream filled, ganache frosted,
chocolate cupcakes. I think it was on the foodnetwork website.

Jeeze, Tracy.... be kind. Post the recipe! 🙂
I think chocolate filled cupcakes ala molten chocolate cake would be
*deeeevine*!

I must be thinking shrimp, I read that as "deveined"... ;-)

aha... seafood is on your brain!

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Giusi said:

Can you imagine the dogana hangup if I import a case of US wine to
Italia?
I sent an antique ring to my kid via UPS 2 years ago. It was tiny. It
cost
?42 to send it.

You do not have to import it yourself, just buy it from an online
purveyor in Italy, or an EU country. Surely there are some such
sources? It certainly is not a problem in Germany. I have found the
following in about two minutes, just as an example:

<http://www.vinibianchirossi.com/vendita-vini/vini-california/california-wine.asp>

<http://www.winet.it/italiano/prodotti_articoli.asp?Categoria=*****&ZonaProduzione=RA&Produttore=*****&Annata=*****&PrezzoDa=&PrezzoA=&STATO=T&Ricarica=&Ricerca=Avanzata>

<http://www.dileva.it/shop/scat.asp?ctg=Vini+internazionali&sctg=California&lg=it>

<http://www.divinegolositatoscane.it/cgi-bin/articoli.cgi?per_pagina=30&r=11&cod_scat=&cod_cat=&cat=23|0|99&ricerca=&cod_regio=&slowfood=&ordina=nome_asc&limit=0&limite_inf=0&pag=1>
The shipping charges here are 7 euros for orders under 100 euros.

Victor

I'm going to look there. If it costs ?7 for shipping, it will be
stupendous, because nothing I've ever purchased has shipped that cheaply.
AAMOF, it has been cheaper to drive using $8 per gallon gas to pick things
up, plus then I knew I'd get them.

Lately the post and dogana are trying to collect duty on EU purchases and on
gifts from anywhere. Expats are considering a class action, now that
they're legal. I received a box with 2 used (vintage) T shirts and some
Ziplock bags and had to pay ?18 (US$27) to the postman to get it.
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Janet Baraclough said:

Syllabub and cheesecake are such common foods in Europe, would Italians
interpret them as a "taste of American cooking"?

Italians generally know quite a bit about their country's - and
particularly their region's - cuisine. It is my impression that they
generally do not know much more about cooking in other European
countries than they they do about American cooking, though.

Got that right. Stereotypes are promulgated even on cooking shows. French
food is always oversauced, British food is bland and heavy, German the same
and always includes wurstel, etc.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Giusi is aiming to give her guests something uniquely American.

I do not think she does. It would be generally pointless, anyway. >
Victor

I think what I've mentally done is decide on a period, probably the Fifties,
and tried to come up with dishes that were already good then, rather than
dishes from the ethnic and cookery explosion that has happened since 1960s
and Julia Child. That's the period in which Italy fell in love with
America. Never blown away with US food, they now believe that we eat
nothing but hotdogs, hamburgers, bad pizza and bad spaghetti or lasagna.
They think that we drink hard liquor all the time and only drink wine when
we come here. (They also think Tabasco is Mexican.) Many Italians are very
suspicious of foreign foods, but when they eat the things I have made, like
apple pie, lemon meringue pie, apple crisp, peach cobbler, chili and US
potato salad, the general reaction is "Who knew?" Some other things have
been more "Who cares?"
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sf said:

Tracy said:

What about cupcakes for dessert?
I just came across a recipe for vanilla cream filled, ganache frosted,
chocolate cupcakes. I think it was on the foodnetwork website.

Jeeze, Tracy.... be kind. Post the recipe! 🙂
I think chocolate filled cupcakes ala molten chocolate cake would be
*deeeevine*!

My bad...here's the link. Now I have to make them.
http://tinyurl.com/2ngbzf

It's from Sweet Dreams with Gale Gand. I like her show. A friend of
mine makes her eclairs which are fabulous! And I don't really like
eclairs that much.

-Trach

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:41:43 +0100, "Giusi" <[email hidden]>

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I think what I've mentally done is decide on a period, probably the Fifties,
and tried to come up with dishes that were already good then, rather than
dishes from the ethnic and cookery explosion that has happened since 1960s
and Julia Child. That's the period in which Italy fell in love with
America. Never blown away with US food, they now believe that we eat
nothing but hotdogs, hamburgers, bad pizza and bad spaghetti or lasagna.
They think that we drink hard liquor all the time and only drink wine when
we come here. (They also think Tabasco is Mexican.) Many Italians are very
suspicious of foreign foods, but when they eat the things I have made, like
apple pie, lemon meringue pie, apple crisp, peach cobbler, chili and US
potato salad, the general reaction is "Who knew?" Some other things have
been more "Who cares?"

guisi, i would be honored and i'm sure delighted to eat any meal you
cooked.

your pal,
blake

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:41:43 +0100, "Giusi" <[email hidden]>
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the general reaction is "Who knew?" Some other things have

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been more "Who cares?"

guisi, i would be honored and i'm sure delighted to eat any meal you
cooked.

your pal,
blake

That is just the kindest thing I've heard all day. Thanks!

sf said:

Lou Decruss said:

Not at a nice dinner. I agree. Don't know about the icon thing
either. But they sure do make a cocktail party fun.

Cocktail party? Not a frat house orgy?

I should have said a party that food wasn't the main event. Make you
happy? LOL. And what's wrong with a frat house orgy?

Lou

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:06:33 +0100, "Giusi" <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:41:43 +0100, "Giusi" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

the general reaction is "Who knew?" Some other things have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

been more "Who cares?"

guisi, i would be honored and i'm sure delighted to eat any meal you
cooked.

your pal,
blake

That is just the kindest thing I've heard all day. Thanks!

any old time.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:46:50 -0600, Lou Decruss <[email hidden]>

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sf said:

Lou Decruss said:

Not at a nice dinner. I agree. Don't know about the icon thing
either. But they sure do make a cocktail party fun.

Cocktail party? Not a frat house orgy?

I should have said a party that food wasn't the main event. Make you
happy? LOL. And what's wrong with a frat house orgy?

Lou

it has all those frat boys in it.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy said:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:46:50 -0600, Lou Decruss <[email hidden]>

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sf said:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:50:34 GMT, Lou Decruss <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Not at a nice dinner. I agree. Don't know about the icon thing
>either. But they sure do make a cocktail party fun.

Cocktail party? Not a frat house orgy?

I should have said a party that food wasn't the main event. Make you
happy? LOL. And what's wrong with a frat house orgy?

Lou

it has all those frat boys in it.

There's some pretty cut frat boiz floatin' around...

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