If only...

PhilD said:

Why am I replacing these? Because they are totally worn out.
Why are they worn out? Because I use the brakes a lot.
Why do I use the brakes? Because, doing mostly town/in traffic riding,
I have to slow/stop a lot.
Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up.

Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
the next accelerating phase?

If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

The trick is in the "Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up". If
you don't speed up so much then you won't have to slow down so much.
Having not done the accelerating you'll have done less work, so your
legs will still be up for more.

The more you can anticipate slowing down the more you can coast. Not
much use if you like to be in a hurry the whole time, of course, but it
does work (and is indeed mentioned in the current VeloVision in the
Brakes Buyers' Guide).

No charge, btw! ;-)

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
the next accelerating phase?

If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

Hmm. Have a electric regenerative system which instead of charging a battery
powers some nice big lamps, which shine on the potato plants growing on the
back rack. Then eat the potatoes?

Have a bike where the rider is free to go up and down over quite a large
range (would have to be > 1 metre). At lights, the braking mechanism lifts
the rider, then when they set off again the rider is allowed to fall, thus
accelerating them. Obviously would need some sort of stand arrangement,
since being > 1m up in the air means the rider won't be able to reach the
floor.

(one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large hump
at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).

cheers,
clive

Go slower and think ahead

SW

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Clive George said:

"PhilD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
the next accelerating phase?

If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

Hmm. Have a electric regenerative system which instead of charging a battery
powers some nice big lamps, which shine on the potato plants growing on the
back rack. Then eat the potatoes?

Have a bike where the rider is free to go up and down over quite a large
range (would have to be > 1 metre). At lights, the braking mechanism lifts
the rider, then when they set off again the rider is allowed to fall, thus
accelerating them. Obviously would need some sort of stand arrangement,
since being > 1m up in the air means the rider won't be able to reach the
floor.

(one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large hump
at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).

How about a large clock spring in the hub? Or a piston arrangement that
charges a receiver with air on braking, and works as a pneumatic engine
on restarting? :-)

Quoted message said:

Go slower and think ahead

While this advice is excellent, it does mean that the rider can no longer
enjoy quite as many PIES, CAKES and pints of BEER.

Trundling along saves about 2-3 minutes on my short, traffic-light infested
route. It's quite disgraceful, but the plus point in going fast is the
extra food and drink I can consume. Oh, and the nice legs.

PhilD <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

Quoted message said:

Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
the next accelerating phase?

Of course it could be done, and has been, but the equipment would add
considerably to the weight of the bike so you use extra energy to pedal
it - more than you gain by recycling it.

Modern people don't take enough exercise anyway.

--
Sue ];(🙂

Bicycle helmets are really a bit of a scam.
They make most cyclists slightly less safe but there's money in selling them.

Rob Morley said:

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Clive George said:

"PhilD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
the next accelerating phase?

If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

Hmm. Have a electric regenerative system which instead of charging a battery
powers some nice big lamps, which shine on the potato plants growing on the
back rack. Then eat the potatoes?

Have a bike where the rider is free to go up and down over quite a large
range (would have to be > 1 metre). At lights, the braking mechanism lifts
the rider, then when they set off again the rider is allowed to fall, thus
accelerating them. Obviously would need some sort of stand arrangement,
since being > 1m up in the air means the rider won't be able to reach the
floor.

(one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large hump
at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).

How about a large clock spring in the hub? Or a piston arrangement that
charges a receiver with air on braking, and works as a pneumatic engine
on restarting? :-)

How about a flywheel which is spun up under deceleration. With the
possible benefit that gyroscopic stability from the spinning flywheel
would enable much easier trackstanding at junctions.

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TheMgt <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Quoted message said:

How about a flywheel which is spun up under deceleration. With the
possible benefit that gyroscopic stability from the spinning flywheel
would enable much easier trackstanding at junctions.

Not so clever if you're turning at the junction :-)

Quoted message said:

(one could do a more practical variant of this by simply having a large
hump at traffic lights - freewheel up it, instead of braking).

London Underground have beaten you to it. Most of the stations are built on
humps to allegedly save on brakes when approaching a station and to aid
acceleration and save electricity when departing.

Peter Clinch said:

PhilD wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why am I replacing these? Because they are totally worn out.
Why are they worn out? Because I use the brakes a lot.
Why do I use the brakes? Because, doing mostly town/in traffic riding,
I have to slow/stop a lot.
Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up.

Thus I was thinking, each time I stop, movement energy is dissipated in
the brake blocks. That energy is then... wasted. Wouldn't it be good
if that energy could somehow be put back into the muscles for reuse at
the next accelerating phase?

If anyone knows of a way to do this (without going down the electric
bike route), then you have a customer waiting in the wings.

Quoted message said:

The trick is in the "Why do I have to stop? Because I speed up". If
you don't speed up so much then you won't have to slow down so much.
Having not done the accelerating you'll have done less work, so your
legs will still be up for more.

Quoted message said:

The more you can anticipate slowing down the more you can coast. Not
much use if you like to be in a hurry the whole time, of course, but it
does work (and is indeed mentioned in the current VeloVision in the
Brakes Buyers' Guide).

I'm basically an ancient trundler, but I'm good at forecasting traffic
behaviour, so I sometimes annoy much younger faster cyclists in
congested traffic by drifting further and further ahead of their
strenuous efforts, just because I'm more often in positions where
I don't have to stop.

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