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> Jack May wrote:
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>> Fitness is probably countered by the very high injury and death rate of
>> riding a bicycle.
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> I do not know the statistics for the US.
> In my country, and I guess it's not any different in other European
> countries, the death and injury rate of cycling is almost below the
> classical margin of measureability.
Extremely unlikely!
And those few fatalities that occur
> on bikes are practically never 'alone accidents' but cyclist hit by cars
> due to bad infrastructure design (namely separated cycle paths at
> intersections).
> So your statement is irrelvant quality and quantity-wise.
That is how lies are fabricated. That is not how accident and death rates
are compiled.
I just previously posted the summary from a lot of bike statistics. I
guess it does absolutely no good to post anything on a newsgroup since a lot
people seem to have no memory capability. At times I feel I will soon need
to post URLs for simple math since so many people seem to know almost
nothing.
http://www.rockandwater.net/pipermail/nyckayaker/2006-June/000605.html
"Bicyclist death rates per trip or per person mile of travel greatly exceed
the rates for car occupants."
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>> Ecology? Doubtful because of the high oil consumption required to for the
>> extra fuel needed for the food to power the bike rider. Riders are
>> small in number now, but if they became large we run into some of the
>> world wide problems we are having now with ethanol from corn.
>
> Wow, honestly Jack, I've read many statements from you that I do disagree
> strongly with. A lot of them I would even consider as utter nonsense, as
> proven by many others on these boards often. But the above is the peak of
> nonsense so far! Ridiculous!
You can not make such a statement just looking at how much energy the body
uses to power the bike. Not only are my statements rational, they are
part of normal research these days. Your statement is nonsense and
ridiculous by the standards of energy research these days.
>
> As you consider yourself as a guy with technological insight: How's the
> relationship in energy consumption ratio of additional energy needed for
> moving human body and bicycle one one hand side and on the other of moving
> 1000+ kg of vehicle and one human body on average?
> One or two (maybe even three) orders of magnitude?
I am talking about oil energy required, not food energy. It takes roughly
ten units of oil energy to get one unit of food energy into your body.
Farming, fertilizer, transportation, cooking, cleaning take lot of energy.
For ideal cases, a bike may burn as much energy as a very efficient small
car. For head winds and other non-ideal conditions the equivalent MPG
drop down into the range of other cars.
These type calculations are commonly done for example to show why it takes
more oil energy to produce ethanol than the energy we get from ethanol.
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> Jack May wrote:
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>> "Tadej Brezina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
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>>>Jack May wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Tadej Brezina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>George Conklin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Fitness is probably countered by the very high injury and death rate of
>> riding a bicycle.
>
> I do not know the statistics for the US.
> In my country, and I guess it's not any different in other European
> countries, the death and injury rate of cycling is almost below the
> classical margin of measureability.
Extremely unlikely!
And those few fatalities that occur
> on bikes are practically never 'alone accidents' but cyclist hit by cars
> due to bad infrastructure design (namely separated cycle paths at
> intersections).
> So your statement is irrelvant quality and quantity-wise.
That is how lies are fabricated. That is not how accident and death rates
are compiled.
I just previously posted the summary from a lot of bike statistics. I
guess it does absolutely no good to post anything on a newsgroup since a lot
people seem to have no memory capability. At times I feel I will soon need
to post URLs for simple math since so many people seem to know almost
nothing.
http://www.rockandwater.net/pipermail/nyckayaker/2006-June/000605.html
"Bicyclist death rates per trip or per person mile of travel greatly exceed
the rates for car occupants."
>
>> Ecology? Doubtful because of the high oil consumption required to for the
>> extra fuel needed for the food to power the bike rider. Riders are
>> small in number now, but if they became large we run into some of the
>> world wide problems we are having now with ethanol from corn.
>
> Wow, honestly Jack, I've read many statements from you that I do disagree
> strongly with. A lot of them I would even consider as utter nonsense, as
> proven by many others on these boards often. But the above is the peak of
> nonsense so far! Ridiculous!
You can not make such a statement just looking at how much energy the body
uses to power the bike. Not only are my statements rational, they are
part of normal research these days. Your statement is nonsense and
ridiculous by the standards of energy research these days.
>
> As you consider yourself as a guy with technological insight: How's the
> relationship in energy consumption ratio of additional energy needed for
> moving human body and bicycle one one hand side and on the other of moving
> 1000+ kg of vehicle and one human body on average?
> One or two (maybe even three) orders of magnitude?
I am talking about oil energy required, not food energy. It takes roughly
ten units of oil energy to get one unit of food energy into your body.
Farming, fertilizer, transportation, cooking, cleaning take lot of energy.
For ideal cases, a bike may burn as much energy as a very efficient small
car. For head winds and other non-ideal conditions the equivalent MPG
drop down into the range of other cars.
These type calculations are commonly done for example to show why it takes
more oil energy to produce ethanol than the energy we get from ethanol.