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  1. Regular readers of this froup will be aware that, for the past three years,
    I have had a gorgeous carbon Dolan road bike which has been my pride and
    joy. I have ridden it in audaxes; I have ridden it in time trials; I have
    ridden it in races; I have ridden it in epics; I have ridden it just for
    the pure joy of having a near perfect machine. I've even broken my back
    riding it, and that's not something you can say of just any old bike.

    I've referred to it over and over again on this group, casually, as 'the
    Dolan', in a sort of understated one-upmanship. And now 'the Dolan' is no
    more. Sic transit gloria...

    Thing is, it hasn't been the bike I ride to work. It's been too precious.
    It hasn't been allowed out in wet weather, and I haven't liked to leave it
    locked up anywhere - besides which, a lock good enough to protect it would
    be heavy enough to completely spoil the point. So I've commuted to work on
    my old steel Raleigh; and I've been increasingly dissatisfied with it.
    Compared to the beautiful Dolan, the Raleigh was too heavy, much too
    flexible, with an insufficient range of gears (my commute now involves a
    rather epic hill), and not sufficiently engaging to ride. Not enough fun.

    Something had to be done.

    So on Tuesday, I phoned the good Mr Dolan, and bent my plastic rather
    severely. On Wednesday, I got back into the office from a long meeting at
    a customer site to find a large package behind my desk. And thus 'the
    Dolan' is no more. Instead it will have to be 'the carbon Dolan', or 'my
    good road bike', or some such more awkward form of words...

    Kitchen pr0n here:
    http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/album/getting_cross/

    Yes, as you see, it's a cross bike. I thought about that for a long time...
    I think it may actually get raced as a cross bike this winter, just for
    the fun of, hence the choice. But fundamentally it's a commuter, and thus
    the build is for practicality.

    Having decided to get a cross bike, of course, I realised I would need
    cantilever brakes. I got Frogg Legs largely because they were cheaper than
    Avids, but...

    I mean the Forth Bridge is a cantilever bridge, but you don't usually
    associate it with bike brakes. Until you open a box of Frogg Legs. These
    are brakes which fart in the general direction of disks, and think that
    dual pivot callipers smell of raspberries. These are serious brakes! You
    adjust them with a 13mm spanner, no less; even the cable clamp uses a 10mm
    bolt. The brake shoes are so big that if you have a mechanical you can
    walk home in them.

    For the rest, the wheels, saddle, handlebars, tail light and rear mech are
    inherited from the Raleigh; the ergo levers and bottle cages are inherited
    from the other Dolan, which now has carbon ones; the inline brake levers
    were sitting in the spares box, having been bought long ago for another
    bike and never used. The forks, headset and seatpost (and the brake
    hangers) came free with the frame. The cassette (Centaur), chainset (Xenon
    Compact) and bottom bracket (Veloce) are all new. There's a Chorus 10
    speed chain ordered for it, but that's held up by the postal strike so
    temporarily it has a Shimano ten speed chain. Also temporarily it has a
    SRAM 3.0 front mech, because none of the three spare Campag front mechs I
    had in the shed would fit.

    It's had a little ride round the block just to check everything's working,
    but I'm not going to take it on tomorrow's epic - you'd be a little mad to
    take a brand new, untested bike. So it will get its serious shakedown on
    the hill between Hamilton and East Kilbride next week.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; single speed mountain bikes: for people who cycle on flat mountains.

  2. Simon Brooke said:


    Kitchen pr0n here:
    http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/album/getting_cross/

    May I be the first to say ...

    Where is the Marmite?

    A lovely machine.

    --
    Don Whybrow

    Sequi Bonum Non Time

    "This is all very interesting, and I daresay you already see me
    frothing at the mouth in a fit; but no, I am not; I am just
    winking happy thoughts into a little tiddle cup." (Nabokov,
    Lolita)

  3. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Kitchen pr0n here:
    http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/album/getting_cross/

    get rid of that naff power adaptor they are [censored], replace it with a decent
    4 gang 🙂

  4. On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:49:10 +0100

    Simon Brooke said:

    [chop - lots of fun]

    On "brakes that mean business", I see little gubbinses that
    could be thumb-operated gear shift controls. Does that mean
    you have drop bars without those nasty shifters that sit just
    inside the brake levers and that you have to push sideways?

    --
    not me guv

  5. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Its a peach young man, good to see you got the 'proper' brakes for a cross
    bike, the 'blocks are naff for stopping though, once worn replace with
    Aztec's or such like. Its better than my giant cross bike as I made the
    error of getting a pure race cross bike - no fittings for mudguards, rack
    or even any drilling for bottle cages which limits its usage, unlike yours
    which is a do it all bike. Ho hum, perhaps a trade in.....
    see you tomorrow as we puff our way to the roof of the world

  6. In article said:

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:49:10 +0100

    Simon Brooke said:

    [chop - lots of fun]

    On "brakes that mean business", I see little gubbinses that
    could be thumb-operated gear shift controls. Does that mean
    you have drop bars without those nasty shifters that sit just
    inside the brake levers and that you have to push sideways?

    Campagnolo Ergo have that little thumb lever to shift one way
    and a lever just inside the brake levers that you push sideways
    to shift the other way (visible in "Almost done"😉.

  7. Nick Kew said:

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:49:10 +0100

    Simon Brooke said:

    [chop - lots of fun]

    On "brakes that mean business", I see little gubbinses that
    could be thumb-operated gear shift controls.

    Those are for shifting to the smaller rings.

    Quoted message said:

    Does that mean you have drop bars without those nasty shifters that
    sit just inside the brake levers and that you have to push sideways?

    No he has those too, for shifting to the bigger rings. You can see them
    in "Almost done".

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew

    (') said:

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:49:10 +0100

    Simon Brooke said:

    [chop - lots of fun]

    On "brakes that mean business", I see little gubbinses that
    could be thumb-operated gear shift controls. Does that mean
    you have drop bars without those nasty shifters that sit just
    inside the brake levers and that you have to push sideways?

    As others have said, these are Campag Ergos, and you sweep the lever in to
    lift the chain onto a larger cog, click the button down to shift it onto a
    smaller. Being old-style Ergos, you can sweep up or click down several
    gears in a single gesture, something I particularly like. With the newer,
    lighter 'QS' Ergos you can still sweep up several cogs at a time but you
    have to release them one click at a time.

    I find them exceedingly comfortable and natural to use.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; If God does not write LISP, God writes some code so similar to
    ;; LISP as to make no difference.

  9. Simon Brooke said:

    Regular readers of this froup will be aware that, for the past three years,
    I have had a gorgeous carbon Dolan road bike which has been my pride and
    joy. I have ridden it in audaxes; I have ridden it in time trials; I have
    ridden it in races; I have ridden it in epics; I have ridden it just for
    the pure joy of having a near perfect machine. I've even broken my back
    riding it, and that's not something you can say of just any old bike.

    I've referred to it over and over again on this group, casually, as 'the
    Dolan', in a sort of understated one-upmanship. And now 'the Dolan' is no
    more. Sic transit gloria...

    Thing is, it hasn't been the bike I ride to work. It's been too precious.
    It hasn't been allowed out in wet weather, and I haven't liked to leave it
    locked up anywhere - besides which, a lock good enough to protect it would
    be heavy enough to completely spoil the point. So I've commuted to work on
    my old steel Raleigh; and I've been increasingly dissatisfied with it.
    Compared to the beautiful Dolan, the Raleigh was too heavy, much too
    flexible, with an insufficient range of gears (my commute now involves a
    rather epic hill), and not sufficiently engaging to ride. Not enough fun.

    Something had to be done.

    So on Tuesday, I phoned the good Mr Dolan, and bent my plastic rather
    severely. On Wednesday, I got back into the office from a long meeting at
    a customer site to find a large package behind my desk. And thus 'the
    Dolan' is no more. Instead it will have to be 'the carbon Dolan', or 'my
    good road bike', or some such more awkward form of words...

    Kitchen pr0n here:
    http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/album/getting_cross/

    ARGHHHHHH! BEARDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Don Whybrow said:

    A lovely machine.

    Indeed. Gone back to using a Brooks instead of a Selle Italia SLR (or
    did that come out of the spare parts bin?)

  11. in message <[email hidden]>, Andrew Price

    (') said:
    Don Whybrow said:

    A lovely machine.

    Indeed. Gone back to using a Brooks instead of a Selle Italia SLR (or
    did that come out of the spare parts bin?)

    The Brooks came off the Raleigh (and, indeed, is one I've had for years).
    Another SLR will appear there in due course. It isn't that I don't like
    Brooks - I do, they're supremely comfortable. But they're not sufficiently
    more comfortable than the SLR (which is also, for me, very comfortable) to
    justify 500 grammes extra weight.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    -- mens vacua in medio vacuo --

  12. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Andrew Price

    (') said:

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:20:52 +0100, Don Whybrow
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A lovely machine.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed. Gone back to using a Brooks instead of a Selle Italia SLR (or
    did that come out of the spare parts bin?)

    The Brooks came off the Raleigh (and, indeed, is one I've had for years).
    Another SLR will appear there in due course. It isn't that I don't like
    Brooks - I do, they're supremely comfortable. But they're not sufficiently
    more comfortable than the SLR (which is also, for me, very comfortable) to
    justify 500 grammes extra weight.

    How wide is a SLR? I'm in need of a new saddle (for a very similar
    project ;-)

    ...d

  13. I've been think about doing the opposite thing, i.e. using my commuting bike
    for a bash at cyclocross.
    I've got a budget tourer (Dawes Horizon) it has canti's and bags of tyre
    clearance, so I was thinking of stripping off the rack and mudguards,
    putting some cyclocross tyres on (or even refitting the original 700Cx37
    semi slicks it came with) and trying cyclocross. Is there anything
    fundmentally different about a "Cross" bike apart from weight,. I don't
    fancy shouldering the Dawes too much but with a 28x32 I may not have to.
    Also has anyone got any opinions about Powerplay Speed Clipless MTB Pedals,
    at £20 inc cleats (supposedly Shimano SPD compat) it seems like a very good
    deal. The weight is the same as the M520.
    Jim J

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Regular readers of this froup will be aware that, for the past three
    years,
    I have had a gorgeous carbon Dolan road bike which has been my pride and
    joy. I have ridden it in audaxes; I have ridden it in time trials; I have
    ridden it in races; I have ridden it in epics; I have ridden it just for
    the pure joy of having a near perfect machine. I've even broken my back
    riding it, and that's not something you can say of just any old bike.

    I've referred to it over and over again on this group, casually, as 'the
    Dolan', in a sort of understated one-upmanship. And now 'the Dolan' is no
    more. Sic transit gloria...

    Thing is, it hasn't been the bike I ride to work. It's been too precious.
    It hasn't been allowed out in wet weather, and I haven't liked to leave it
    locked up anywhere - besides which, a lock good enough to protect it would
    be heavy enough to completely spoil the point. So I've commuted to work on
    my old steel Raleigh; and I've been increasingly dissatisfied with it.
    Compared to the beautiful Dolan, the Raleigh was too heavy, much too
    flexible, with an insufficient range of gears (my commute now involves a
    rather epic hill), and not sufficiently engaging to ride. Not enough fun.

    Something had to be done.

    So on Tuesday, I phoned the good Mr Dolan, and bent my plastic rather
    severely. On Wednesday, I got back into the office from a long meeting at
    a customer site to find a large package behind my desk. And thus 'the
    Dolan' is no more. Instead it will have to be 'the carbon Dolan', or 'my
    good road bike', or some such more awkward form of words...

    Kitchen pr0n here:
    http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/album/getting_cross/

    Yes, as you see, it's a cross bike. I thought about that for a long
    time...
    I think it may actually get raced as a cross bike this winter, just for
    the fun of, hence the choice. But fundamentally it's a commuter, and thus
    the build is for practicality.

    Having decided to get a cross bike, of course, I realised I would need
    cantilever brakes. I got Frogg Legs largely because they were cheaper than
    Avids, but...

    I mean the Forth Bridge is a cantilever bridge, but you don't usually
    associate it with bike brakes. Until you open a box of Frogg Legs. These
    are brakes which fart in the general direction of disks, and think that
    dual pivot callipers smell of raspberries. These are serious brakes! You
    adjust them with a 13mm spanner, no less; even the cable clamp uses a 10mm
    bolt. The brake shoes are so big that if you have a mechanical you can
    walk home in them.

    For the rest, the wheels, saddle, handlebars, tail light and rear mech are
    inherited from the Raleigh; the ergo levers and bottle cages are inherited
    from the other Dolan, which now has carbon ones; the inline brake levers
    were sitting in the spares box, having been bought long ago for another
    bike and never used. The forks, headset and seatpost (and the brake
    hangers) came free with the frame. The cassette (Centaur), chainset (Xenon
    Compact) and bottom bracket (Veloce) are all new. There's a Chorus 10
    speed chain ordered for it, but that's held up by the postal strike so
    temporarily it has a Shimano ten speed chain. Also temporarily it has a
    SRAM 3.0 front mech, because none of the three spare Campag front mechs I
    had in the shed would fit.

    It's had a little ride round the block just to check everything's working,
    but I'm not going to take it on tomorrow's epic - you'd be a little mad to
    take a brand new, untested bike. So it will get its serious shakedown on
    the hill between Hamilton and East Kilbride next week.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; single speed mountain bikes: for people who cycle on flat
    mountains.

  14. "Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also has anyone got any opinions about Powerplay Speed Clipless MTB
    Pedals, at £20 inc cleats (supposedly Shimano SPD compat) it seems like a
    very good deal. The weight is the same as the M520.

    Personally I'd just get the M520s for the about the same price. I appear to
    have quite a few sets now on various bikes...

    cheers,
    clive

  15. In article <[email hidden]>, Jim
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been think about doing the opposite thing, i.e. using my commuting bike
    for a bash at cyclocross.
    I've got a budget tourer (Dawes Horizon) it has canti's and bags of tyre
    clearance, so I was thinking of stripping off the rack and mudguards,
    putting some cyclocross tyres on (or even refitting the original 700Cx37
    semi slicks it came with) and trying cyclocross. Is there anything
    fundmentally different about a "Cross" bike apart from weight

    A shortish top tube and highish bottom bracket can be useful, but you
    can go 'crossing on a stripped down tourer. You'll probably want to add
    auxiliary brake levers, and proper 'cross tyres will make a big
    difference on loose or wet surfaces, although knobbly hybrid tyres will
    be better than slicks and should be readily available at a reasonable
    price.

  16. Jim said:

    Also has anyone got any opinions about Powerplay Speed Clipless MTB Pedals,
    at £20 inc cleats (supposedly Shimano SPD compat) it seems like a very good
    deal. The weight is the same as the M520.
    Jim J

    But aren't Powerplay cleats rather heavy ? Not that I have personal
    experience of them.

    Jon

  17. in message <[email hidden]>, David

    Martin (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Andrew Price

    (') said:

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:20:52 +0100, Don Whybrow
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >A lovely machine.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed. Gone back to using a Brooks instead of a Selle Italia SLR (or
    did that come out of the spare parts bin?)

    The Brooks came off the Raleigh (and, indeed, is one I've had for
    years). Another SLR will appear there in due course. It isn't that I
    don't like Brooks - I do, they're supremely comfortable. But they're not
    sufficiently more comfortable than the SLR (which is also, for me, very
    comfortable) to justify 500 grammes extra weight.

    How wide is a SLR? I'm in need of a new saddle (for a very similar
    project ;-)

    My preferred model of Brooks is the Professional. The SLR is very much the
    same effective width, and is similarly hard. So changing between the two
    models makes surprisingly little difference - if you're comfortable on a
    Professional you will be comfortable, I think, on an SLR. What it lacks is
    the deep skirt of the Brooks saddles, and this does lead to increased wear
    on the inside legs of your shorts - I wear out shorts quicker on the SLRs
    than I used to when I had Brooks on all my bikes.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; When all else fails, read the distractions.

  18. Thanks Clive, Rob, Jonathan.
    The Powerplay pedals looks very like Wellgo ones I have seen on Wiggle so
    are possibly a bit tacky, I can't see M520 for less than £29.99 but given
    that I don't actually need cleats at present I think I'll go with the tried
    and tested M520 then. The double sided aspect will also be good for winter
    commuting, no trying to guess which way round the road pedal is in the dark.
    I didn't know about the need for auxilliary brake levers, I'm surprised as I
    don't feel particularly stable when riding with my hands that close
    together.

    Cheers
    Jim J

    "Jonathan Schneider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jim said:

    Also has anyone got any opinions about Powerplay Speed Clipless MTB
    Pedals,
    at £20 inc cleats (supposedly Shimano SPD compat) it seems like a very
    good
    deal. The weight is the same as the M520.
    Jim J

    But aren't Powerplay cleats rather heavy ? Not that I have personal
    experience of them.

    Jon

  19. "Jim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks Clive, Rob, Jonathan.
    The Powerplay pedals looks very like Wellgo ones I have seen on Wiggle so
    are possibly a bit tacky, I can't see M520 for less than £29.99 but given
    that I don't actually need cleats at present I think I'll go with the
    tried and tested M520 then.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=3759

    cheers,
    clive

  20. marc said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Regular readers of this froup will be aware that, for the past three years,

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Kitchen pr0n here:
    http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/album/getting_cross/

    ARGHHHHHH! BEARDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And FOOM! the preconception of what Simon looks like disappears in a
    cloud of electrons. He certainly didn't look like that in my world,but
    I now can't remember what he did look like, having seen the real
    thing.

    I get this problem when I see members of the Archers cast too.

    Tim
    --

    Tim

    fast and gripping, non pompous, glossy and credible.

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