Indexing w/o slant parallelogram?

vega-<< but new, mounted on some "city bikes" with indexed shifting system) with a straight (not
slant, I mean) parallelogram. Is it possible? Or just my mistake? Could they work well?

They are made slant parallogram with that L shaped mounting bracket that moves the der forward and
up, W/o that bracket, they probably wouldn't index.

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I remember before Sun Tour figured out the geometry of the slant parallelogram, when derailleurs
never worked for long. The Huret Allvit, I think it was, was the obvious geometry you needed and it
always gunked up right away.

Then the Sun Tour came out and you could also use it to drive tent pegs.

I doubt they'd go back.

Side note on indexing: having modified my SRAM MRX broken index shifter to be a friction shifter (by
adding friction underneath) I'm actually quite happy with it. You don't miss indexing once you
arrange it to stay put where you set it. The shifts are quieter and easier.
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08 May 2003 10:18:56 -0400 Ron Hardin said:

I remember before Sun Tour figured out the geometry of the slant parallelogram, when derailleurs
never worked for long. The Huret Allvit, I think it was, was the obvious geometry you needed and it
always gunked up right away.

Then the Sun Tour came out and you could also use it to drive tent pegs.

A Huret Alvit was also my first derailleur, but I think it's fair to say that the Alvit was the one
you could use to drive tent pegs. ;-)

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I believe the "slant" you are referring to is the angle that allows the derailleur to follow the
profile of the cogs.

On a straight derailleur (do they still make those?) the jockey roller (the top one that actually
shifts the chain) would probably get to far away from the cogs to index .

If memory serves, they barely shifted, period.

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Chris-<< If memory serves, they barely shifted, period.

Altho not the 'automatic transmission' type of shift with indexing, friction shifters and
'straight'rear ders work just fine. I use a C-Record rear der, 7s Regina America freewheel and
friction shifters and I have no problem finding gears.

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Chris-<< If memory serves, they barely shifted, period.

Altho not the 'automatic transmission' type of shift with indexing, friction shifters and
'straight'rear ders work just fine. I use a C-Record rear der, 7s Regina America freewheel and
friction shifters and I have no problem finding gears.

The trouble with the Huret Alvit was that it gunked up, so would not upshift at all, very soon. The
geometry of the slant Sun Tour solved that; it continued to work in normal use, not predictably
failing in a week.

Friction shifters are fine.
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Chris Zacho 'The Wheelman said:

On a straight derailleur (do they still make those?) the jockey roller (the top one that actually
shifts the chain) would probably get to far away from the cogs to index .

If memory serves, they barely shifted, period.

But they were superb Italian engineering, so it was the users fault.

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I believe the "slant" you are referring to is the angle that allows the derailleur to follow the
profile of the cogs.

On a straight derailleur (do they still make those?) the jockey roller (the top one that actually
shifts the chain) would probably get to far away from the cogs to index .

If memory serves, they barely shifted, period.

That's a bit of an overstatement, even allowing that Suntour's slant parallelogran design is
superior. (My Svelto on a twelve tooth range front and back, f'rinstance)

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