indonesia is a despicable country.

"Marty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've just thrown my plates and bowls in the bin. They're all I could find
in my possession that comes from indonesia. I don't want to have anything
to do with indonesia ever again. Ever!

Marty

Some sick mind did this
http://cracker.com.au/viewthread.aspx?threadid=56380&categoryid=11081

Marty <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I've just thrown my plates and bowls in the bin. They're all I could
find in my possession that comes from indonesia. I don't want to have
anything to do with indonesia ever again. Ever!

Marty

But wasn't she actually guilty, I mean she did have the drugs in her
possesion when searched. Yes there are lots of questions about the why
(there are much easier ways to get drugs into Bali than the airport) but
not the actual possesion.

I think even our system (reasonable doubt) would have struggled to
acquit although she may have been able to go for sympathy from a jury.
I don't think the Australian media really helped her at all with their
carry on.

Cheers
BrettM

Marty said:

I've just thrown my plates and bowls in the bin. They're all I could
find in my possession that comes from indonesia. I don't want to have
anything to do with indonesia ever again. Ever!

She won't serve more than 2-3 years, and then the beauty-treatment-starved
women of Australia will be able to resume their lives.

--
bpo gallery at http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/mvw1/bpo

BrettM said:

Marty <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I've just thrown my plates and bowls in the bin. They're all I could
find in my possession that comes from indonesia. I don't want to have
anything to do with indonesia ever again. Ever!

Marty

But wasn't she actually guilty, I mean she did have the drugs in her
possesion when searched. Yes there are lots of questions about the why
(there are much easier ways to get drugs into Bali than the airport) but
not the actual possesion.

I think even our system (reasonable doubt) would have struggled to
acquit although she may have been able to go for sympathy from a jury.
I don't think the Australian media really helped her at all with their
carry on.

Cheers
BrettM

well yeah she had the drugs.. so technically she was guilty and thats
all they needed.. Mind you the head judge has never aquited anyone.. and
I dont think their cops are that good.

On the other hand taking drugs from someplace they are worth 30000 or so
to a place where they are worth maybe 5000 and risking the death
sentance to do so. Can;t see a career in it myself

My 2 cents worth

Dave

On Fri, 27 May 2005 at 09:45 GMT, Marty (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

I've just thrown my plates and bowls in the bin. They're all I could
find in my possession that comes from indonesia. I don't want to have
anything to do with indonesia ever again. Ever!

What was the outcome? I haven't exactly been watching the "watch us
and buy the products from our advertisers" Shapelle Corbey inside
trial "reality" TV bullcrap.

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with me: "It's a good thing there's more than one way to do it, because
most of them don't work." --Larry Wall

TimC said:

On Fri, 27 May 2005 at 09:45 GMT, Marty (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

I've just thrown my plates and bowls in the bin. They're all I could
find in my possession that comes from indonesia. I don't want to have
anything to do with indonesia ever again. Ever!

What was the outcome? I haven't exactly been watching the "watch us
and buy the products from our advertisers" Shapelle Corbey inside
trial "reality" TV bullcrap.

20 years.

Ummm by the rules she was guilty .. might even be convicted in Oz. But
economically it makes no sense. Clearly she was just unlucky. And one
cannot but think a jury would always have one person in it that would
recognise that.

Dave

dave said:

well yeah she had the drugs.. so technically she was guilty and thats
all they needed.. Mind you the head judge has never aquited anyone.. and
I dont think their cops are that good.

Maybe we needed him on the Eugene McGee case

Quoted message said:

On the other hand taking drugs from someplace they are worth 30000 or so
to a place where they are worth maybe 5000 and risking the death
sentance to do so. Can;t see a career in it myself

The ABC reported that the price of good quality pot is much higher in
Bali than Australia, due to the number of tourists wanting it, but that
could just be media speculation too.

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

20yrs & 6 mnths. Sounds abit harsh, but I suppose they're actively addressing illegal drugs in their country. Isn't this the sort of measures people here are looking for to "keep drugs off our streets & away from our children"?

If it was a snotty weedy little indonisan fellow discovered at Sydney airport with 4kgs would we arch up over him getting handed a 20yr sentence?

If she was innocent? Well it looks we're all going to be investing in locks, zip-ties or glad wrap when it comes to getting our passports out for a tirp.

Surprised that there isn't the backlash against baggage handelers by the general public that I thought there would be with this result.

quote='Peter McCallum'dave said:

well yeah she had the drugs.. so technically she was guilty and thats
all they needed.. Mind you the head judge has never aquited anyone.. and
I dont think their cops are that good.

Maybe we needed him on the Eugene McGee case

Quoted message said:

On the other hand taking drugs from someplace they are worth 30000 or so
to a place where they are worth maybe 5000 and risking the death
sentance to do so. Can;t see a career in it myself

The ABC reported that the price of good quality pot is much higher in
Bali than Australia, due to the number of tourists wanting it, but that
could just be media speculation too.

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA[/QUOTE]

Apparently in Bali tourists are much happier buying drugs from non indonesians and will pay more to do it so that they don't get caught by undercover police. I think that she might just be very hard done by but I am no way near totally sure that she is completely innocent. I don't understand how people can be 100% sure she is innocent. She had to carry her bogie board bag a short distance. You would think she would have notice something suspicious then.

Cheers

aus.shapelle.corby?

at least it's not depression about not dating...

Tam

Quoted message said:

If she was innocent? Well it looks we're all going to be investing in
locks, zip-ties or glad wrap when it comes to getting our passports out
for a tirp.

http://cracker.com.au/viewthread.aspx?threadid=56380&categoryid=11081

mogulhead said:

She had to
carry her bogie board bag a short distance. You would think she would
have notice something suspicious then.

Jet lagged from the trip?
How long would it take to kick in that your boogie board bag had 4Kg
extra on board. Although I think she said her brother carried it over
for her.

Did she realise and not know what to do, hence blocking the customs guy
from opening the bag.?

Anyway, the approach taken by her defence has been getting a pasting for
months, by people with more experience.

And, unfortunately, not matter how "good and nice" you are, life can
deal you [censored] that screws your life anyway. So I have not been too
impressed by the screeching chorus.

Just another example of the risks you take when you go to a cheap and
nasty place.

Marty said:

It's not so much about the drugs, it's that if you organise a bomb that
blows up innocent aussies at a pub you only get two and a half years.
Smuggle in some dope and it's twenty years.

Gee, what is so different in this country.
If you are some poor dumb sod employee who rips off stationery from you
company, how many years do you get?
Now, if you are the CEO and rip of your company, you get a paultry fine
and wrist slap.

Oh wait, murder a bicyclist and they almost buy you a medal.

Quoted message said:

Indonesia is thumbing their nose at us. They are saying "See, we
can blow up you aussies, throw a woman in
gaol for twenty years and there's nothing you can do about it,
ha hah hah, stupid aussies!"

Well, they have been doing worse to their own people for centuries.
What the fsck do you expect when you go there?

And why the head up your ass approach that it is all about "you". You
might like to chase up some figures on what nationalities thatactually
died in the Bali Bomb blast and the range of nationalities in Indonesian
jails.

She just had publicity. As the judge said "why all the interest in this
one?"

Marty said:

It's not so much about the drugs, it's that if you organise a bomb that
blows up innocent aussies at a pub you only get two and a half years.

or in the case of the Hilton bombing, a medal

Quoted message said:

Smuggle in some dope and it's twenty years. Indonesia is thumbing their
nose at us. They are saying "See, we can blow up you aussies, throw a
woman in gaol for twenty years and there's nothing you can do about it,
ha hah hah, stupid aussies!"

Well I suppose when she finally gets back here we can deport her.

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

Terry Collins said:

mogulhead said:

She had to
carry her bogie board bag a short distance. You would think she would
have notice something suspicious then.

Jet lagged from the trip?
How long would it take to kick in that your boogie board bag had 4Kg
extra on board. Although I think she said her brother carried it over
for her.

Did she realise and not know what to do, hence blocking the customs guy
from opening the bag.?

Anyway, the approach taken by her defence has been getting a pasting for
months, by people with more experience.

And, unfortunately, not matter how "good and nice" you are, life can
deal you [censored] that screws your life anyway. So I have not been too
impressed by the screeching chorus.

Just another example of the risks you take when you go to a cheap and
nasty place.

My complaint is that if you blow up a bar full of Aussies you only get
two and a half years. That highlights the evil corruptness of it all.
Like you say, it's a good place to avoid.

Marty

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Quoted message said:

mogulhead said:

Peter McCallum said:

dave <[email hidden]> wrote:

>well yeah she had the drugs.. so technically she was guilty and

thats

>all they needed.. Mind you the head judge has never aquited anyone..

and

>I dont think their cops are that good.

Maybe we needed him on the Eugene McGee case

>On the other hand taking drugs from someplace they are worth 30000 or

so

>to a place where they are worth maybe 5000 and risking the death
>sentance to do so. Can;t see a career in it myself

The ABC reported that the price of good quality pot is much higher in
Bali than Australia, due to the number of tourists wanting it, but
that
could just be media speculation too.

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

Apparently in Bali tourists are much happier buying drugs from non
indonesians and will pay more to do it so that they don't get caught by
undercover police. I think that she might just be very hard done by but
I am no way near totally sure that she is completely innocent. I don't
understand how people can be 100% sure she is innocent. She had to
carry her bogie board bag a short distance. You would think she would
have notice something suspicious then.

Cheers

It's not so much about the drugs, it's that if you organise a bomb that
blows up innocent aussies at a pub you only get two and a half years.
Smuggle in some dope and it's twenty years. Indonesia is thumbing their
nose at us. They are saying "See, we can blow up you aussies, throw a
woman in gaol for twenty years and there's nothing you can do about it,
ha hah hah, stupid aussies!"

Marty

All I can say is: I wasn't there, I didn't hear or see the evidence. All I
got was the spin version reported here. I don't know if she's guilty,
innocent or whatever.

I do know that when I travel I lock my bags. When they are searched I'll
answer "Yes, I packed them myself" because I don't let anyone else near
them. I insist on inspecting the locks for signs of damage before I allow
the search, and hand over a list of what is in the bag and the order in
which it was packed before the bag is opened. This time, I'll take digital
photos of the bag's contents just before it is closed and locked. I figure
that will help (not prove... just help) in case of interference, although
interference is a risk you take as soon as the bag leaves your sight. Never
had any trouble insisting on a search on my terms, but I reckon I've been
searched much more than my fair share. I must look suss...

me

Marty said:

My complaint is that if you blow up a bar full of Aussies you only get
two and a half years. That highlights the evil corruptness of it all.

Nope, it just shows they have the same legal wobbly as this country. The
allegged bomber just had a better legal team and probably an incompetent
national forensic team, which is why Aussie was so fast to offer assistance.

"Terry Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Marty said:

My complaint is that if you blow up a bar full of Aussies you only get
two and a half years. That highlights the evil corruptness of it all.

Nope, it just shows they have the same legal wobbly as this country. The
allegged bomber just had a better legal team and probably an incompetent
national forensic team, which is why Aussie was so fast to offer
assistance.

Well OT for a.b. however...

No, it was a total balls up by the prosecuting authorities. He was not
prosecuted for any criminal offence, but rather under new anti-terrorism
regulations and found guilty (sentenced to death) but aquitted on appeal
because the regulations were retrospective. He still has not been tried for
the criminal act of murder of over 300 people. I think Marty's criticisms
are pretty fair - Corby seems pretty hard done by in comparison.

Cheers
Peter

Marty said:

Terry Collins said:

mogulhead said:

She had to
carry her bogie board bag a short distance. You would think she would
have notice something suspicious then.

Jet lagged from the trip?
How long would it take to kick in that your boogie board bag had 4Kg
extra on board. Although I think she said her brother carried it over
for her.

Did she realise and not know what to do, hence blocking the customs guy
from opening the bag.?

Anyway, the approach taken by her defence has been getting a pasting for
months, by people with more experience.

And, unfortunately, not matter how "good and nice" you are, life can
deal you [censored] that screws your life anyway. So I have not been too
impressed by the screeching chorus.

Just another example of the risks you take when you go to a cheap and
nasty place.

My complaint is that if you blow up a bar full of Aussies you only get
two and a half years. That highlights the evil corruptness of it all.
Like you say, it's a good place to avoid.

Marty

Sign hanging off Vulture St overpass, SE Fwy this morning:

"Honk if U h8 Bali"

Tam