Innominate Tarn?

Haystacks?

Strewth, I thought eveyone knew this. It's on Haystacks, and is quite
superb. Lovely tarn, lovely setting, and on a sunny day quite idyllic.

Shame on you for not knowing that this is where Wainwright had his ashes
scattered. Not a bad place to end up.

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The New Scientist in its rather crazy Feedback page 11 Feb 2006 suggests
that there may be an Innominate (noname) Tarn in the Lake District.

Anyone got an idea where in the Lake District it may be?

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the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of
Fundamental Human rights.

You are joking. Right.

214Fells said:

Haystacks?

Correct, shown on the OS map as Innominate Tarn. There were moves afoot
to have it renamed after Wainwright but for now, it is Innominate.

Sean

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Strewth, I thought eveyone knew this. It's on Haystacks, and is quite
superb. Lovely tarn, lovely setting, and on a sunny day quite idyllic.

Shame on you for not knowing that this is where Wainwright had his ashes
scattered. Not a bad place to end up.

I'm not certain but I think I detected a cetain irony in Daves posting

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On 11 Feb 2006 03:26:57 -0800, "Sean McMahon"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|214Fells wrote:
|> Haystacks?
|
|Correct, shown on the OS map as Innominate Tarn. There were moves afoot
|to have it renamed after Wainwright but for now, it is Innominate.

Grid reference?
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the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of
Fundamental Human rights.

Dave Fawthrop schrieb:

Quoted message said:

The New Scientist in its rather crazy Feedback page 11 Feb 2006 suggests
that there may be an Innominate (noname) Tarn in the Lake District.

Anyone got an idea where in the Lake District it may be?

Haystacks.
GridRef NY 19.745 12.956
The place where AW's ash is scattered.

Walter
--
21 Schritte eine Frau zu werden:
19. Sieh zu, daß du im Freundeskreis deines Freundes unterkommst,
mache dann Schluß und sei den ganzen nächsten Monat bei jedem Treffen.

Dave Fawthrop schrieb:

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On 11 Feb 2006 03:26:57 -0800, "Sean McMahon"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|214Fells wrote:
|> Haystacks?
|
|Correct, shown on the OS map as Innominate Tarn. There were moves afoot
|to have it renamed after Wainwright but for now, it is Innominate.

Grid reference?

NY 19.745 12.956

Walter
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Der Beifahrer hält in kritischen Fahrsituationen
automatisch die Klappe

Aber nicht die Beifahrerin.
(L.Frings in dsrs)

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Strewth, I thought eveyone knew this. It's on Haystacks, and is quite
superb. Lovely tarn, lovely setting, and on a sunny day quite idyllic.

Shame on you for not knowing that this is where Wainwright had his ashes
scattered. Not a bad place to end up.

I'm not certain but I think I detected a cetain irony in Daves posting

It creased me, anyway.
--
Gordon Harris

Dave Fawthrop said:

The New Scientist in its rather crazy Feedback page 11 Feb 2006 suggests
that there may be an Innominate (noname) Tarn in the Lake District.

Anyone got an idea where in the Lake District it may be?

I /think/ this is a troll. I find it difficult to imagine a regular of
uk.rec.walking being unfamiliar with Innominate Tarn, simply through its
association with Wainwright.

The Feedback article certainly exists

http://www.newscientist.com/backpage.ns?id=mg18925382.200

I think they have been inundated with nowhere places and are not
bothering to check, as No Place in Durham can be found by a trivial web
search -

http://www.afundit.co.uk/noplace.htm
http://www.beamishmary.co.uk/about.htm

- and Innominate Tarn is known to almost all readers of Wainwright and
most UK walkers generally, and much detail comes up immediately from Google.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=innominate+tarn&btnG=Search

I will therefore not send them the "Pub With No Name" (formally The
White Horse, near Petersfield), which doesn't have as good a view as
Innominate Tarn but does much better beer and grub :-)

http://www.wessexmotorclub.co.uk/publist/pub.php?pubid=56

Innominate Tarn on Haystacks is where Alfred Wainwright wanted his ashes
scattered, a wish that was carried out but not made public for some time
afterwards: only the memorial in the church in Buttermere was publicised.

It seems that Innominate Tarn was previously called Loaf Tarn, the name
change occurring some time after 1864. It is unnamed on the 1867 map at
old-maps.co.uk, and on my old 1960's OS maps (both 1" and 1:25000), but
it *is* named on the Bartholemews 1" map used in Poucher's "The Lakeland
Peaks" in 1960.

Haystacks was not Wainwright's favourite mountain, numerous websites
nonwithstanding. In his guides he tells us that his choice of best
mountain is Scafell Pike, best summit is Dow Crag and most exciting
place is Striding Edge. Haystacks he names as the best *fell-top* of
all (Haystacks 10, Book Seven) and in the same paragraph mentions
"fierce crags and rough screes and outcrops that will be grittier still
when the author's ashes are scattered here".

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:52:42 +0000, Alan Dicey
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|> The New Scientist in its rather crazy Feedback page 11 Feb 2006 suggests
|> that there may be an Innominate (noname) Tarn in the Lake District.
|>
|> Anyone got an idea where in the Lake District it may be?
|>
|
|I /think/ this is a troll. I find it difficult to imagine a regular of
|uk.rec.walking being unfamiliar with Innominate Tarn, simply through its
|association with Wainwright.

Ouch :-((((

All because I am no lover of Wainright, or any other list of routes.
--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are
the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of
Fundamental Human rights.

Alan Dicey said:

Dave Fawthrop said:

The New Scientist in its rather crazy Feedback page 11 Feb 2006 suggests
that there may be an Innominate (noname) Tarn in the Lake District.

Anyone got an idea where in the Lake District it may be?

I /think/ this is a troll. I find it difficult to imagine a regular of
uk.rec.walking being unfamiliar with Innominate Tarn, simply through its
association with Wainwright.

- and Innominate Tarn is known to almost all readers of Wainwright and
most UK walkers generally, and much detail comes up immediately from
Google.

Err - you're the troll?

I've been walking in the UK for 30 years and never heard of it. Or are
you assuming that any "serious" walker must know the Lake District?

druidh

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Alan Dicey said:

Dave Fawthrop said:

The New Scientist in its rather crazy Feedback page 11 Feb 2006 suggests
that there may be an Innominate (noname) Tarn in the Lake District.

Anyone got an idea where in the Lake District it may be?

I /think/ this is a troll. I find it difficult to imagine a regular of
uk.rec.walking being unfamiliar with Innominate Tarn, simply through its
association with Wainwright.

- and Innominate Tarn is known to almost all readers of Wainwright and
most UK walkers generally, and much detail comes up immediately from
Google.

Err - you're the troll?

I've been walking in the UK for 30 years and never heard of it. Or are you
assuming that any "serious" walker must know the Lake District?

But doesn't read much about it! What makes you a serious walker then?

J Smith

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I will therefore not send them the "Pub With No Name" (formally The
White Horse, near Petersfield),

There's one in Southover St, Brighton as well. Don't know if they do
food or not and I can't remember wqhat it was called before either.

--
Boo

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Dicey <[email hidden]> writes

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I /think/ this is a troll. I find it difficult to imagine a regular of
uk.rec.walking being unfamiliar with Innominate Tarn, simply through
its association with Wainwright.

A bit strong with your assumptions Alan!

Seeing as urw covers so many subjects Wainwright being one, it /is/
conceivable that someone may not be entirely familiar with Wainwright
and his routes nor the Innominate Lake in particular. I won't mention
topics of the South Wales area because you probably are fully aware as a
urw poster which seems to be the defining criterion.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I /think/ this is a troll. I find it difficult to imagine a regular of
uk.rec.walking being unfamiliar with Innominate Tarn, simply through
its association with Wainwright.

A bit strong with your assumptions Alan!

Seeing as urw covers so many subjects Wainwright being one, it /is/
conceivable that someone may not be entirely familiar with Wainwright
and his routes nor the Innominate Lake in particular.

Yep, me for one. I've not read any of Wainwright's stuff and to be
perfectly honest I haven't got the desire to. But then maybe having a
liking for walking without really caring what people have said or done
in the past doesn't make me serious enough.
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where common sense dictates.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Seeing as urw covers so many subjects Wainwright being one, it /is/
conceivable that someone may not be entirely familiar with Wainwright
and his routes nor the Innominate Lake in particular.

Yep, me for one. I've not read any of Wainwright's stuff and to be
perfectly honest I haven't got the desire to. But then maybe having a
liking for walking without really caring what people have said or done
in the past doesn't make me serious enough.

Irrespective of seriousness, the Wainwright guides are a labour of love,
and a work of art, and worth browsing through in their own right.
(In the opinion of many they are also a collector's item).
--
Gordon Harris

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Strewth, I thought eveyone knew this. It's on Haystacks, and is quite
superb. Lovely tarn, lovely setting, and on a sunny day quite idyllic.

I camped by it a few years back. Had a reasonable night apart from a sheep
who kept trying to eat my tent and then 'baahed' outside it all night!......
I hate sheep.

This sounds like the beginning of a good 'sheep' thread.

Dave Fawthrop said:

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:52:42 +0000, Alan Dicey
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|> The New Scientist in its rather crazy Feedback page 11 Feb 2006 suggests
|> that there may be an Innominate (noname) Tarn in the Lake District.
|>
|> Anyone got an idea where in the Lake District it may be?
|>
|
|I /think/ this is a troll. I find it difficult to imagine a regular of
|uk.rec.walking being unfamiliar with Innominate Tarn, simply through its
|association with Wainwright.

Ouch :-((((

All because I am no lover of Wainright, or any other list of routes.

Well, in that case I apologise. The abrupt style and hot-button topic
seemed like trollbait to me. I accept that I was wrong.

I will say that putting Innominate Tarn into Google UK will get you a
page of hits that confirm its existence and tell you where it is.

I would argue against the dismissal of Wainwright's work as "a list of
routes". The books are works of art, a pleasure to read for their own
sake, perhaps recalling memories of some great day out or as an aid to
planning future excursions. These days they are as much used (by me at
least) to indicate where to avoid, to keep away from the madding crowds.
Wainwright himself said they were not meant to be taken on the hill
and used as guidebooks.

Wainwright described them as a love-letter to the hills of Lakeland, and
the project was one only a lover could complete, solo and mostly without
the luxury of modern gear. It is a little sad to think that the success
of his books has contributed to the destruction of the wild solitude he
loved so much.