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  1. pedalchick wrote:
    I'm going to have to side with Erik on this - sport is, after all,
    SPORT. It's a game. It's supposed to be recreation, entertainment. If
    the euro-pros want their version of the sport to be akin to
    professional
    wrestling, all smoke, mirrors and bashing each other with folding
    chairs, then so be it. I support the idea of anti-doping to keep
    athletes healthy and safe from directors forcing them to inject
    unknown
    substances into their bodies. I think it is the responsibility of the
    teams and the UCI to create an atmosphere where doping is discouraged.
    I
    think cheaters should be kicked out of the sport, as is happening more
    an dmore lately. However, as it is a GAME, a SPORT, and ENTERTAINMENT,
    I
    think doping should remain policed by the organizations created to
    police the sport, not by the people who are supposed to be going after
    murderers. If anyone is to be criminally prosecuted, it should be the
    doctors, pharmacists and even the pharmaceutical companies that allow
    the drugs to get into riders' hands. It's akin to the Oxycontin
    problem.
    Don't the makers of EPO realize that their product is disappearing way
    faster in Europe than the clinical need could ever account for?

    I think that the current frenzy over doping in sport is getting a bit
    ridiculous. That the Balco deal went all the way to the US Congress
    amazes me. I realize that Olympic athletes represent one's country,
    and
    to have a doping scandal would reflect negatively on the country, but
    it's not like it is a matter of national security. It's just another
    topic that excites the public and allows people who would be totally
    anonymous for their entire lives to get their 15 minutes of fame by
    indicting some poor athlete for (alleged) doping. And don't even get
    me
    started on USADA banning athletes for life just for a doping
    allegation
    in leiu of a positive test or admission of guilt.

    Perspective -- if Lance admits to doping, do you want to see the guy
    rot
    in some French prison?

    This was written about two weeks after she slept over at Joey D's on
    Thursday July 1st, 2004. That was because Joey sent his wife to drive
    to Fitchburg, while these two birds flew there on Friday. Also right
    after they both flew across the country on Joey's airline miles to
    witness USADA test the 'B' sample.

    I know I said I was done, and now I am.

    crit pro

  2. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (crit pro)
    Date: 9/28/2004 8:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time

    Quoted message said:

    pedalchick wrote:
    I'm going to have to side with Erik on this - sport is, after all,
    SPORT. It's a game. It's supposed to be recreation, entertainment. If
    the euro-pros want their version of the sport to be akin to
    professional
    wrestling, all smoke, mirrors and bashing each other with folding
    chairs, then so be it. I support the idea of anti-doping to keep
    athletes healthy and safe from directors forcing them to inject
    unknown
    substances into their bodies. I think it is the responsibility of the
    teams and the UCI to create an atmosphere where doping is discouraged.
    I
    think cheaters should be kicked out of the sport, as is happening more
    an dmore lately. However, as it is a GAME, a SPORT, and ENTERTAINMENT,
    I
    think doping should remain policed by the organizations created to
    police the sport, not by the people who are supposed to be going after
    murderers.

    The dopers are stealing just as surely as the scumbags mugging old ladies for
    their social security money. It should be a police matter since USCF seems to
    want to let them continue to steal after a positive result.

    Quoted message said:

    This was written about two weeks after she slept over at Joey D's on
    Thursday July 1st, 2004. That was because Joey sent his wife to drive
    to Fitchburg, while these two birds flew there on Friday. Also right
    after they both flew across the country on Joey's airline miles to
    witness USADA test the 'B' sample.

    I know I said I was done, and now I am.

    crit pro

    How the [censored] does that equate to all the [censored] you have been throwing around.
    We have hosted people here at the house that needed a place to stay for a race,
    or between races. That sure as hell doesn't mean anybody slept with anybody
    else. Maybe your morals are that far in the gutter, but the rest of us aren't.
    You have definitely proven that you don't have to be rational to be a pro
    cyclist that's for sure.

    Bill C

  3. TritonRider said:


    The dopers are stealing just as surely as the scumbags mugging old


    ladies for

    Quoted message said:

    their social security money. It should be a police matter since USCF


    seems to

    Quoted message said:

    want to let them continue to steal after a positive result.

    Dumbass -

    You've got your head up your ass.

    Breaking the rules of a sporting federation and breaking the laws of a
    government are 2 different things.

    If T. Hamilton really did inject someone else's blood into his veins,
    he should be suspended per UCI rules, but AFAIK he didn't break any US
    law and the FBI or whatever agency should not get involved. Those
    agencies should be spending their time on real crime - sports are just
    entertainment.

  4. Quoted message said:

    From: "Kurgan Gringioni" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/28/2004 8:44 PM Eastern

    Quoted message said:

    Dumbass -

    You've got your head up your ass.

    Breaking the rules of a sporting federation and breaking the laws of a
    government are 2 different things.

    How is stealing prizemoney by doping different than stealing money by other
    types of fraud, other than in the letter of the law. I wonder if they could
    apply some of the laws they came up with about rigged boxing matches to
    cycling?

    Quoted message said:

    If T. Hamilton really did inject someone else's blood into his veins,
    he should be suspended per UCI rules, but AFAIK he didn't break any US
    law and the FBI or whatever agency should not get involved. Those
    agencies should be spending their time on real crime - sports are just
    entertainment.

    I do agree that the cops should be doing better things, unfortunately a lot of
    the time they don't seem to be doing it.
    Bill C

  5. TritonRider said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Kurgan Gringioni" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/28/2004 8:44 PM Eastern

    Quoted message said:

    Dumbass -

    You've got your head up your ass.

    Breaking the rules of a sporting federation and breaking the laws of


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    government are 2 different things.

    How is stealing prizemoney by doping different than stealing money


    by other

    Quoted message said:

    types of fraud, other than in the letter of the law.

    <snip>

    Dumbass -

    Doping does not guarantee winning. It *is* cheating, but it merely
    gives an advantage in one aspect of cycling. Putting you or I on EPO
    wouldn't guarantee any sort of prize $.

    Diego Maradona cheated in the "hand of God" play in the World Cup. The
    refs aided him by blowing the call. He didn't break the laws of any
    country.

    Michael Jordan "cheated" when he pushed off Bryon Russell before the
    last shot of Game 6 in the last Bulls/Jazz series. He didn't break any
    laws.

    Lyle Alzado cheated when he took horses steroids while playing in the
    NFL. What was the government to do - throw him in jail while he died of
    brain cancer?

    Finally, contrary to common sentiment, the clean riders are NOT
    entitled to prize money. A more extreme example is lottery players not
    being entitled to thhe same. Winning is not a sure thing. Even if
    everyone in a race is clean, most everyone is still going to lose.

    Once again, our legal system has better things to do w/ its time. Leave
    sports governance up to the sports governance bodies, corrupt as they
    are. Keep it in perspective. It's only entertainment.

  6. Kurgan Gringioni said:
    TritonRider said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Kurgan Gringioni" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/28/2004 8:44 PM Eastern

    Quoted message said:

    Dumbass -

    You've got your head up your ass.

    Breaking the rules of a sporting federation and breaking the laws of

    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    government are 2 different things.

    How is stealing prizemoney by doping different than stealing money

    by other

    Quoted message said:

    types of fraud, other than in the letter of the law.

    <snip>

    Dumbass -

    Doping does not guarantee winning. It *is* cheating, but it merely
    gives an advantage in one aspect of cycling. Putting you or I on EPO
    wouldn't guarantee any sort of prize $.

    Diego Maradona cheated in the "hand of God" play in the World Cup. The
    refs aided him by blowing the call. He didn't break the laws of any
    country.

    Michael Jordan "cheated" when he pushed off Bryon Russell before the
    last shot of Game 6 in the last Bulls/Jazz series. He didn't break any
    laws.

    Lyle Alzado cheated when he took horses steroids while playing in the
    NFL. What was the government to do - throw him in jail while he died of
    brain cancer?

    Finally, contrary to common sentiment, the clean riders are NOT
    entitled to prize money. A more extreme example is lottery players not
    being entitled to thhe same. Winning is not a sure thing. Even if
    everyone in a race is clean, most everyone is still going to lose.

    Once again, our legal system has better things to do w/ its time. Leave
    sports governance up to the sports governance bodies, corrupt as they
    are. Keep it in perspective. It's only entertainment.

    Dumbass--

    Great post!

    Steve

    --
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
    http://www.dentaltwins.com
    Brooklyn, NY
    718-258-5001

  7. Quoted message said:

    From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Doping does not guarantee winning. It *is* cheating, but it merely
    gives an advantage in one aspect of cycling. Putting you or I on EPO
    wouldn't guarantee any sort of prize $.

    (snipped examples of cheating in "big sports"😉

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Once again, our legal system has better things to do w/ its time. Leave
    sports governance up to the sports governance bodies, corrupt as they
    are. Keep it in perspective. It's only >>entertainment.

    Like in NASCAR-- someone is caught using an "illegal" part, they are fined, or
    for "rough driving" they might get fined and lose champ. points. Maybe a one-
    or two-race suspension, not two years. --TP

  8. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    TritonRider said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "Kurgan Gringioni" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/28/2004 8:44 PM Eastern

    Quoted message said:

    Dumbass -

    You've got your head up your ass.

    Breaking the rules of a sporting federation and breaking the laws of


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    government are 2 different things.

    How is stealing prizemoney by doping different than stealing money


    by other

    Quoted message said:

    types of fraud, other than in the letter of the law.

    <snip>

    Dumbass -

    Doping does not guarantee winning. It *is* cheating, but it merely
    gives an advantage in one aspect of cycling. Putting you or I on EPO
    wouldn't guarantee any sort of prize $.

    Diego Maradona cheated in the "hand of God" play in the World Cup. The
    refs aided him by blowing the call. He didn't break the laws of any
    country.

    Michael Jordan "cheated" when he pushed off Bryon Russell before the
    last shot of Game 6 in the last Bulls/Jazz series. He didn't break any
    laws.

    Lyle Alzado cheated when he took horses steroids while playing in the
    NFL. What was the government to do - throw him in jail while he died of
    brain cancer?

    Finally, contrary to common sentiment, the clean riders are NOT
    entitled to prize money. A more extreme example is lottery players not
    being entitled to thhe same. Winning is not a sure thing. Even if
    everyone in a race is clean, most everyone is still going to lose.

    Once again, our legal system has better things to do w/ its time. Leave
    sports governance up to the sports governance bodies, corrupt as they
    are. Keep it in perspective. It's only entertainment.

    Well said.

  9. Kurgan Gringioni said:


    Dumbass -


    ..
    ..
    ..
    i was wondering if you were ever going to use your "powers" for good
    again. glad i waited it out.

    heather

  10. "h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:


    Dumbass -


    .
    .
    .
    i was wondering if you were ever going to use your "powers" for good
    again. glad i waited it out.

    heather

    You've been hitting them out of the park lately.

  11. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Once again, our legal system has better things to do w/ its time. Leave
    sports governance up to the sports governance bodies, corrupt as they
    are. Keep it in perspective. It's only entertainment.

    Dumbass,

    I agree, but pro sports is also business, thus cheating is fraud if
    money is involved.

    The criminal justice system might be too busy but I think it won't be
    long before we see lawsuits against dopers by those who feel cheated.
    A homerun title or a roster spot on a pro team is worth a lot of
    money.

  12. Amit said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Once again, our legal system has better things to do w/ its time.


    Leave

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sports governance up to the sports governance bodies, corrupt as


    they

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are. Keep it in perspective. It's only entertainment.

    Dumbass,

    I agree, but pro sports is also business, thus cheating is fraud if
    money is involved.

    Dumbass -

    Sure, but leave it to the sports governing bodies to sort that out.
    That's one of the reasons for their existence. They could do a better
    job of it anyways - they're more familiar w/ the culture of the sort
    and have a better idea what works and what won't work.

    I got into a disagreement w/ one of my friends a few weeks ago. We
    didn't take it to court.

  13. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I got into a disagreement w/ one of my friends a few weeks ago. We
    didn't take it to court.

    how much money did the disagreement involve ? if it was less than
    $100,000 I wouldn't take it to court either.

    or was it just another "who's hotter, haven hamilton or heather
    halvorson ?"

  14. Amit said:

    or was it just another "who's hotter, haven hamilton or heather
    halvorson ?"

    Haven, of course. She comes with built-in (blood-) tapping, while
    heather is a fan of cyclingmorons.com.

  15. "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Amit said:

    or was it just another "who's hotter, haven hamilton or heather
    halvorson ?"

    Haven, of course. She comes with built-in (blood-) tapping, while
    heather is a fan of cyclingmorons.com.

    Heather used to archive your posts, not sure if she still does.

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