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  1. Terry Polevoy seems to be taunting me to some end known only
    to himself , by suggesting some things that are untrue.
    First he says that I own the Advanced Wholistic Centre. I am
    a patient of the doctor of holistic medicine who owns it.
    Since she is not a licensed physicician she can't prescribe
    prescription drugs. Since she is a wholistic, intuitive
    doctor, she would never be aparty to selling drugs. She
    refers her patients to their doctors for that.

    pillsupplier.compillsupplier.com

    Next he posts a review which simply copies and pastes
    some information from the Advanced Wholistic Centre
    website and then says that we own a company of physicians
    named PillSupplier in Arizona. This is pretty
    unacceptable behaviour and shows what he stands for. Here
    is Terry's post.

    pillsupplier.comreview54837.html

    I have contacted PillSupplier and requested some things from
    them in this regard. I guess when I said Terry Polevoy means
    nothing to me, I must have hurt his feelings. I did not mean
    to, its just that to me, he is not relevent.

    PillSupplier.com is dedicated to providing cutting-edge
    medicine through Internet technology. Our physicians
    specialize in consulting with privacy-minded individuals and
    prescribing popular medications. These medications,
    sometimes called "embarrassment" drugs, are prescribed and
    dispensed by our physicians and pharmacists!

    As one of our patients, you are able to: 1- Enjoy complete
    privacy, discretion, and dignity while addressing your
    condition. 2- Play an active role and participate more fully
    in your own process of care. 3- Enjoy your health care in an
    enlightened manner and maintain better health. 4- Enjoy a
    professional consultation at an affordable cost.

    More and more individuals have become weary of the medical
    profession's attitude toward patient care. Patients are
    often left with little or no choice as to their course of
    treatment or what medications they are permitted to take.
    Our physicians are dedicated to helping you make your own
    medical decisions. We are here to provide you with the
    professional consultation you need to decide which plan of
    care is right for you. You are a partner with us in the
    medical decision-making process.

    Many patients prefer the anonymity of an online consultation
    as opposed to a conversation with one's personal physician.
    The patient is benefited by technology. Although computers
    are often dismissed as dehumanizing, their use in online
    consultations greatly eases the patients' anxiety about
    discussing their medical conditions.

    It is not our position that the Internet could ever replace
    the importance of seeing your doctor regularly, in person.
    It is important that you seriously consider a full physical
    exam specifically to evaluate possible causes for your
    problem. The issuance of medication does not replace the
    need for a physical exam.

    On behalf of PillSupplier.com, I'd like thank you--our customers--
    for helping make us the world's foremost online pharmacy.
    Your continued support and business are truly appreciated.
    We are grateful that we are able to offer you our services
    and that we have made such an impact in the health and
    wellbeing of so many people's lives.

    Sincerely, Roger King President, PillSupplier.com

  2. Dave Wickware has no idea of the seriousness of what
    internet pharmacies can do.

    First of all pillsupplier.com has a secret address. They
    hide themselves through a thick layer of security.

    They are not on the approved list of internet
    pharmacies that is maintained by the National
    Association of Boards of Pharmacy. That means that what
    pillsupplier.com does implies risks that I would not
    take, and anyone who uses or recommends that on-line
    URL ought to have their head examined.

    nabp.netnabp.net

    Try to track down who pillsupplier.com really is and you are
    out of luck. When you go to Godaddy.com to find out who they
    are and go to their whois section you may think that they
    are in Arizona, but you may be wrong:

    WHOIS Search Results for: PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WHOIS
    database,while believed by the company to be reliable, is
    provided "as is"with no guarantee or warranties regarding
    its accuracy. Thisinformation is provided for the sole
    purpose of assisting youin obtaining information about
    domain name registration records.Any use of this data for
    any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior
    writtenpermission of Go Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting
    an inquiry,you agree to these terms of usage and limitations
    of warranty. In particular,you agree not to use this data to
    allow, enable, or otherwise make possible,dissemination or
    collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for
    anypurpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited
    advertising andand solicitations of any kind, including
    spam. You further agreenot to use this data to enable high
    volume, automated or robotic electronicprocesses designed to
    collect or compile this data for any purpose,including
    mining this data for your own personal or commercial
    purposes. Please note: the registrant of the domain name is
    specifiedin the "registrant" field. In most cases, Go Daddy
    Software, Inc. is not the registrant of domain names listed
    in this database.Registrant:

    Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through:
    GoDaddy.com (godaddy.comgodaddy.com) Domain Name:
    PILLSUPPLIER.COM Created on: 08-Sep-03 Expires on: 08-Sep-04
    Last Updated on: 06-May-04 Administrative Contact: Private,
    Registration [email hidden] Domain
    servers in listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
    NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    Then you locate their address and you find that the company
    known as DomainsByProxy.com is hiding their location in a
    UPS (formerly MBE - Mailboxes, Etc.) location:

    mbe.comCenterPage.asp

    Now why would they do that? Are they afraid that someone
    might want to locate their offices to file a complaint?

    Isn't that curious. They have no Adminitrative contact
    listed. These bozos could be anywhere in the world. They may
    not even be in North America. They use a mailbox drop, too.

    Then you try to see who Domainsbyproxy.com (DBP) is and you
    get even murkier. But you find out that DBP is commited to
    protect the identity of any of their users at any cost
    unless there are legal proceedings against them. If a
    consumer complained they could probably just ignore you.

    So anyone can use them to set up an anonymous URL. They
    could be in Timbuktu, or Waterloo.

    domainsbyproxy.comdomainsbyproxy.com

    When you plug their ISP number 67.15.38.23 into Sam Spade
    you get a location in Houston, Texas.

    samspade.orgwhois

    Here is what DBP says on their web site:

    Did you know that for each domain name you register, anyone
    - anywhere, anytime - can find out your name, home address,
    phone number and email address?

    The law requires that the personal information you provide
    with every domain you register be made public in the "WHOIS"
    database. Your identity becomes instantly available - and
    vulnerable - to spammers, scammers, prying eyes and worse.

    But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy!

    Now why in the world would anyone want to advertise the
    Advanced Wholistic retreat centre, which is located in a
    small Ontario town, on an internet site that hawks dangerous
    prescription drugs over the internet, who hides their
    identity AND location? Furthermore, who is Roger King, what
    are his qualifications, and who are the doctors and
    pharmacists who work for his operation?

    Dave, you don't obviously know what you are getting into
    here. If you don't own the Advanced Wholistic clinic, then
    tell us who does, and tell us their qualifications, please?

    Your defense of an unregulated industry is unimaginable. It
    is dangerous, and you are obviously out of your league here.

    How can a ginseng pedlar like you, or your associates,
    support internet pharmacies?

    How can you, or your associates, advertise a wholistic
    retreat on one of those sites?

    The internet pharmacy has been reported to the proper
    authorities so that they can deal with it.

    So, why don't you ask your friends to remove the
    advertisement from the site in question and apologize to
    your fans.

    Terry

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Terry Polevoy seems to be taunting me to some end known
    only to himself , by suggesting some things that are
    untrue. First he says that I own the Advanced Wholistic
    Centre. I am a patient of the doctor of holistic medicine
    who owns it. Since she is not a licensed physicician she
    can't prescribe prescription drugs. Since she is a
    wholistic, intuitive doctor, she would never be aparty to
    selling drugs. She refers her patients to their doctors
    for that.

    pillsupplier.compillsupplier.com

    Next he posts a review which simply copies and pastes
    some information from the Advanced Wholistic Centre
    website and then says that we own a company of physicians
    named PillSupplier in Arizona. This is pretty
    unacceptable behaviour and shows what he stands for. Here
    is Terry's post.

    pillsupplier.comreview54837.html

    I have contacted PillSupplier and requested some things
    from them in this regard. I guess when I said Terry
    Polevoy means nothing to me, I must have hurt his
    feelings. I did not mean to, its just that to me, he is
    not relevent.

    PillSupplier.com is dedicated to providing cutting-edge
    medicine through Internet technology. Our physicians
    specialize in consulting with privacy-minded individuals
    and prescribing popular medications. These medications,
    sometimes called "embarrassment" drugs, are prescribed and
    dispensed by our physicians and pharmacists!

    As one of our patients, you are able to: 1- Enjoy
    complete privacy, discretion, and dignity while
    addressing your condition. 2- Play an active role and
    participate more fully in your own process of care. 3-
    Enjoy your health care in an enlightened manner and
    maintain better health. 4- Enjoy a professional
    consultation at an affordable cost.

    More and more individuals have become weary of the medical
    profession's attitude toward patient care. Patients are
    often left with little or no choice as to their course of
    treatment or what medications they are permitted to take.
    Our physicians are dedicated to helping you make your own
    medical decisions. We are here to provide you with the
    professional consultation you need to decide which plan of
    care is right for you. You are a partner with us in the
    medical decision-making process.

    Many patients prefer the anonymity of an online
    consultation as opposed to a conversation with one's
    personal physician. The patient is benefited by
    technology. Although computers are often dismissed as
    dehumanizing, their use in online consultations greatly
    eases the patients' anxiety about discussing their medical
    conditions.

    It is not our position that the Internet could ever
    replace the importance of seeing your doctor regularly, in
    person. It is important that you seriously consider a full
    physical exam specifically to evaluate possible causes for
    your problem. The issuance of medication does not replace
    the need for a physical exam.

    On behalf of PillSupplier.com, I'd like thank you--our customers--
    for helping make us the world's foremost online pharmacy.
    Your continued support and business are truly appreciated.
    We are grateful that we are able to offer you our services
    and that we have made such an impact in the health and
    wellbeing of so many people's lives.

    Sincerely, Roger King President, PillSupplier.com

  3. fda.govfaqs.html

    1. Why is FDA concerned about unlawful drug sales on
    the Internet?

    Patients who buy prescription drugs from Websites operating
    outside the law are at increased risk of suffering life-
    threatening adverse events, such as side effects from
    inappropriately prescribed medications, dangerous drug
    interactions, contaminated drugs, and impure or unknown
    ingredients found in unapproved drugs.

    The current system of federal and state safeguards for
    protecting patients from the use of inappropriate or unsafe
    drugs has generally served the country well. These laws
    require that certain drugs be dispensed only with a valid
    prescription because they are not safe for use without the
    supervision of a licensed health care practitioner.
    Generally, before the practitioner issues a prescription for
    a drug the patient has never taken before, he or she must
    first examine the patient to determine the appropriate
    treatment. Subsequently, the patient receives the drug from
    a registered pharmacist working in a licensed pharmacy that
    meets state practice standards.

    The Internet makes it easy for unscrupulous people to sell
    drugs to patients without these safeguards in place. A
    Website may appear to be associated with a legitimate
    pharmacy when in fact it is not. Websites that sell
    prescription drugs without a valid prescription deny
    consumers the protection provided by an examination
    conducted by a licensed practitioner.

    2. Are there any benefits to purchasing approved
    drugs online?

    Yes. Legitimate pharmacy sites on the Internet provide
    consumers with a convenient, private, way to obtain
    needed medications, sometimes at more affordable prices.
    The elderly and persons in remote areas can avoid the
    inconvenience of traveling to a store to purchase
    medications. Many reputable Internet pharmacies allow
    patients to consult with a licensed pharmacist from the
    privacy of their home. Moreover, Internet pharmacies can
    provide customers with written product information and
    references to other sources of information like the
    traditional storefront pharmacy. Finally, the increasing
    use of computer technology to transmit prescriptions
    from doctors to pharmacies is likely to reduce
    prescription errors.

    3. How many web sites sell prescription drugs?

    The National Association of Boards of Pharmacy has
    identified approximately 200 domestic web sites that
    dispense prescription drugs but do not offer an online
    prescribing service. According to a recent Chicago Tribune
    article cited by the American Medical Association, there are
    at least 400 web sites that both dispense and offer a
    prescribing service -- half of these sites are located in
    foreign countries. Some have estimated that the number of
    Websites selling prescription drugs may now be closer to
    1,000. The number of Websites, however, fluctuates from day
    to day, and seems to be growing.

    4. How many people have been harmed from drugs purchased
    over the Internet?

    It is impossible to accurately quantify adverse event rates
    because FDA's postmarketing surveillance system receives
    reports on only a relatively small percentage of all adverse
    events caused by drugs. However, as a result of
    postmarketing surveillance data collected by FDA, we know
    that the sale of unapproved drugs and the illegal sale of
    approved drugs over the Internet poses a serious public
    health risk. We know, for example, of many adverse events
    resulting from the use of the drug GBL and the date rape
    drug GHB, which are unapproved drugs sold illegally over the
    Internet. FDA learned recently of a person who

    examination by a healthcare professional. Unfortunately, the
    man had a family history of heart disease and died after
    taking the drug.

    We also know of cases where people choose the Internet for
    treatment to avoid consulting a health care professional.
    These consumers, however, run the risk of purchasing
    inappropriate drugs or unknowingly purchasing counterfeit or
    sub-potent drugs.

    5. If FDA is not aware of adverse events associated with
    approved drugs sold online, why does the agency think
    that unlawful online sale is a big problem?

    We know that adverse events are under-reported and we know
    from history that tolerating the sale of unproven,
    fraudulent, or adulterated drugs results in harm to the
    public health. It is reasonable to expect that the illegal
    sale of drugs over the Internet and the number of resulting
    injuries will increase as sales on the Internet grow.
    Without clear and effective law enforcement, violators will
    have no reason to stop their illegal practices. Unless we
    begin to act now, unlawful conduct and the resulting harm to
    consumers most likely will increase.

    6. Why shouldn't the online pharmacy industry be self-
    regulated?

    Industry self-regulation has a role to play when applied to
    legitimate businesses. However, self-regulation is an
    insufficient mechanism to control illegal practices.

    7. Some Websites offer to prescribe medication based
    only on a questionnaire. Is this a safe practice?
    Is it legal?

    Unlike the traditional relationship between a patient and
    the patient's health care professional, some online
    practitioners issue prescriptions in the absence of a
    physical examination or direct medical supervision.
    According to the American Medical Association, a health care
    professional who offers a prescription for a patient the
    practitioner has never seen before and based solely on an
    online questionnaire generally has not met the appropriate
    medical standard of care. As a result, patients may receive
    a drug that is inappropriate for them to use and may
    sacrifice the opportunity for a correct diagnosis or the
    identification of an underlying medical condition for which
    use of the prescription drug may be dangerous.

    It is a violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
    Act to dispense prescription drugs without a valid
    prescription. FDA will work with the states to determine the
    validity of online prescriptions and to bring enforcement
    actions under state law, federal law, or both, as
    appropriate. In addition, several state boards of medicine
    have ruled that such practice is medical misconduct and have
    fined and suspended the licenses of health care
    practitioners who have prescribed drugs in this manner.

    8. How many states have acted against web sites selling
    prescription drugs?

    Several states have taken or are contemplating taking action
    against illegitimate online sellers of prescription drugs.
    Fourteen states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut,
    Illinois, Michigan, Kansas, Nevada, New Jersey, Ohio, Texas,
    Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming) have already taken some
    action against physicians prescribing drugs over the
    Internet. Although most of these cases involve cease and
    desist orders, some states have assessed fines and are
    contemplating stiffer penalties. One state has issued a
    temporary restraining order against an Internet pharmacy
    selling drugs without a valid prescription.

    9. Who will FDA refer complaints to at the state level?

    FDA has been working with the National Association of Boards
    of Pharmacy, the Federation of State Medical Boards, and the
    National Association of Attorneys General to establish
    points of contact in all states specifically for Internet
    related problems. Both the FDA and NABP Websites have online
    reporting forms for consumers to use in referring complaints
    to the appropriate regulatory authorities.

    10. How will FDA integrate its efforts with the White House
    Electronic Commerce Working Group?

    FDA believes its activities will complement those of the
    White House working group and are consistent with the
    Administration's July 1997 Framework for Global Electronic
    Commerce and the President's November 1998 Memorandum on
    Successes and Further Work on Electronic Commerce. Effective
    consumer protection is necessary to foster legitimate
    electronic commerce. Because legitimate electronic commerce
    activities may involve the practice of medicine or the
    practice of pharmacy, FDA will work with state law
    enforcement and regulatory bodies to better define the
    boundaries of legitimate online practices. By reducing the
    availability of illegal and harmful products in the
    electronic commerce marketplace, FDA enforcement activities
    will increase consumer confidence in the Internet.

    11. What are international organizations like WHO doing
    about Internet prescribing and dispensing?

    The World Health Organization is in the process of
    developing a guide entitled "Medical Products and the
    Internet." In addition to providing tips on finding reliable
    health and medical information on the Internet, it will
    provide advice on buying medical products online. FDA
    participated in the development of this guide.

    12. Can an American patient get a medication not approved in
    the U.S. from a foreign dispenser?

    As a general matter, it is illegal to import an unapproved
    drug into the U.S. However, under FDA's personal importation
    policy, FDA has authorized its inspectors to use their
    enforcement discretion to allow U.S. residents to import
    certain products under certain limited conditions. Under
    this policy, FDA may allow a U.S. resident to bring into
    this country an unapproved drug for their personal use for a
    serious condition, if there has been no commercialization or
    promotion of the drug to U.S. residents.

    13. Is it illegal for a foreign pharmacy to ship
    prescription medicines into the U.S.?

    It is illegal for anyone, including a foreign pharmacy,
    to ship prescription drugs that are not approved by FDA
    into the U.S. even though the drug may be legal to sell
    in that pharmacy's country. Under the scheme that
    Congress established to ensure that drugs are safe and
    effective, drugs are tested and test results are
    thoroughly reviewed by FDA scientists. U.S. law also
    requires that products approved for sale in the United
    States have their formulation approved by FDA, be made in
    a plant registered with FDA, and be produced under
    quality standards enforced by FDA.

    Prescription drugs available from a foreign pharmacy that
    are products that FDA has not approved; products with
    similar, but not identical formulations as FDA-approved
    products; products not made under the quality standards
    required by U.S. law or labeled according to U.S.
    requirements; or products not stored or distributed under
    the quality conditions required in the U.S. cannot be
    legally sold in the U.S.

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  5. Then your acqusation that this is in any way affiliated with
    the Advanced Wholistic Centre is a total fabrication by you.

    "Terry Polevoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dave Wickware has no idea of the seriousness of what
    internet pharmacies can do.

    First of all pillsupplier.com has a secret address. They
    hide themselves through a thick layer of security.

    They are not on the approved list of internet pharmacies
    that is maintained by the National Association of Boards
    of Pharmacy. That means that what pillsupplier.com does
    implies risks that I would not take, and anyone who uses
    or recommends that on-line URL ought to have their head
    examined.

    nabp.netnabp.net

    Try to track down who pillsupplier.com really is and you
    are out of luck. When you go to Godaddy.com to find out
    who they are and go to their whois section you may think
    that they are in Arizona, but you may be wrong:

    WHOIS Search Results for: PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WHOIS
    database,while believed by the company to be reliable, is
    provided "as is"with no guarantee or warranties regarding
    its accuracy. Thisinformation is provided for the sole
    purpose of assisting youin obtaining information about
    domain name registration records.Any use of this data for
    any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior
    writtenpermission of Go Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting
    an inquiry,you agree to these terms of usage and
    limitations of warranty. In particular,you agree not to
    use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make
    possible,dissemination or collection of this data, in part
    or in its entirety, for anypurpose, such as the
    transmission of unsolicited advertising andand
    solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further
    agreenot to use this data to enable high volume, automated
    or robotic electronicprocesses designed to collect or
    compile this data for any purpose,including mining this
    data for your own personal or commercial purposes. Please
    note: the registrant of the domain name is specifiedin the
    "registrant" field. In most cases, Go Daddy Software, Inc.
    is not the registrant of domain names listed in this
    database.Registrant:

    Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
    PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered
    through: GoDaddy.com (godaddy.comgodaddy.com) Domain Name:
    PILLSUPPLIER.COM Created on: 08-Sep-03 Expires on: 08-Sep-
    04 Last Updated on: 06-May-04 Administrative Contact:
    Private, Registration [email hidden]
    Domain servers in listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
    NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    Then you locate their address and you find that the
    company known as DomainsByProxy.com is hiding their
    location in a UPS (formerly MBE - Mailboxes, Etc.)
    location:

    mbe.comCenterPage.asp
    =MBE1669

    Now why would they do that? Are they afraid that someone
    might want to locate their offices to file a complaint?

    Isn't that curious. They have no Adminitrative contact
    listed. These bozos could be anywhere in the world. They
    may not even be in North America. They use a mailbox
    drop, too.

    Then you try to see who Domainsbyproxy.com (DBP) is and
    you get even murkier. But you find out that DBP is
    commited to protect the identity of any of their users
    at any cost unless there are legal proceedings against
    them. If a consumer complained they could probably just
    ignore you.

    So anyone can use them to set up an anonymous URL. They
    could be in Timbuktu, or Waterloo.

    domainsbyproxy.comdomainsbyproxy.com

    When you plug their ISP number 67.15.38.23 into Sam Spade
    you get a location in Houston, Texas.

    samspade.orgwhois

    Here is what DBP says on their web site:

    Did you know that for each domain name you register,
    anyone - anywhere, anytime - can find out your name, home
    address, phone number and email address?

    The law requires that the personal information you provide
    with every domain you register be made public in the
    "WHOIS" database. Your identity becomes instantly
    available - and vulnerable - to spammers, scammers, prying
    eyes and worse.

    But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy!

    Now why in the world would anyone want to advertise the
    Advanced Wholistic retreat centre, which is located in a
    small Ontario town, on an internet site that hawks
    dangerous prescription drugs over the internet, who hides
    their identity AND location? Furthermore, who is Roger
    King, what are his qualifications, and who are the doctors
    and pharmacists who work for his operation?

    Dave, you don't obviously know what you are getting
    into here. If you don't own the Advanced Wholistic
    clinic, then tell us who does, and tell us their
    qualifications, please?

    Your defense of an unregulated industry is unimaginable.
    It is dangerous, and you are obviously out of your
    league here.

    How can a ginseng pedlar like you, or your associates,
    support internet pharmacies?

    How can you, or your associates, advertise a wholistic
    retreat on one of those sites?

    The internet pharmacy has been reported to the proper
    authorities so that they can deal with it.

    So, why don't you ask your friends to remove the
    advertisement from the site in question and apologize to
    your fans.

    Terry

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Terry Polevoy seems to be taunting me to some end known
    only to himself


    , by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suggesting some things that are untrue. First he says
    that I own the Advanced Wholistic Centre. I am a patient
    of the doctor of holistic


    medicine

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    who owns it. Since she is not a licensed physicician she
    can't prescribe prescription drugs. Since she is a
    wholistic, intuitive doctor, she would never be aparty
    to selling drugs. She refers her patients to


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors for that.

    pillsupplier.compillsupplier.com

    Next he posts a review which simply copies and pastes
    some information


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Advanced Wholistic Centre website and then says that
    we own a company of physicians named


    PillSupplier

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in Arizona. This is pretty unacceptable behaviour and
    shows what he stands for. Here is Terry's


    post.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    pillsupplier.comreview54837.html

    I have contacted PillSupplier and requested some things
    from them in


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    regard. I guess when I said Terry Polevoy means nothing
    to me, I must have hurt his feelings. I did not mean to,


    its

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    just that to me, he is not relevent.

    PillSupplier.com is dedicated to providing cutting-edge
    medicine through Internet technology. Our physicians
    specialize in consulting with privacy-minded individuals
    and prescribing popular medications. These medications,
    sometimes called "embarrassment" drugs, are prescribed
    and dispensed by our physicians and pharmacists!

    As one of our patients, you are able to: 1- Enjoy
    complete privacy, discretion, and dignity while
    addressing your condition. 2- Play an active role and
    participate more fully in your own process of care. 3-
    Enjoy your health care in an enlightened manner and
    maintain better health. 4- Enjoy a professional
    consultation at an affordable cost.

    More and more individuals have become weary of the
    medical profession's attitude toward patient care.
    Patients are often left with little or no choice as to
    their course of treatment or what medications they are
    permitted to take. Our physicians are dedicated to
    helping you make your own medical


    decisions.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    We are here to provide you with the professional
    consultation you need


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decide which plan of care is right for you. You are a
    partner with us in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    medical decision-making process.

    Many patients prefer the anonymity of an online
    consultation as opposed


    to a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    conversation with one's personal physician. The patient
    is benefited by technology. Although computers are often
    dismissed as dehumanizing,


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    use in online consultations greatly eases the patients'
    anxiety about discussing their medical conditions.

    It is not our position that the Internet could ever
    replace the


    importance

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    Quoted message said:

    of seeing your doctor regularly, in person. It is
    important that you seriously consider a full physical
    exam specifically to evaluate


    possible

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    Quoted message said:

    causes for your problem. The issuance of medication does
    not replace the need for a physical exam.

    On behalf of PillSupplier.com, I'd like thank you--our
    customers--for helping make us the world's foremost
    online pharmacy. Your continued


    support

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    Quoted message said:

    and business are truly appreciated. We are grateful that
    we are able to offer you our services and that we have
    made such an impact in the


    health

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    Quoted message said:

    and wellbeing of so many people's lives.

    Sincerely, Roger King President, PillSupplier.com

  6. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Then your acqusation that this is in any way affiliated
    with the Advanced Wholistic Centre is a total
    fabrication by you.

    No Dave - I did not say taht the Advanced Wholistic Centre
    in Waterloo, or Pt. Elgin locations, both in Ontario, Canada
    were affiliated with PillSupplier.com.

    I said that Advanced Wholistic Centre advertised on their
    site. How else did an easy Google search for pillsupplier
    advanced wholistic find this in 0.10 sec?

    google.comsearch
    8&oe=UTF-8&q=pillsupplier+advanced+wholistic

    Advanced Wholistic Centre

    Title: Advanced Wholistic Centre URL:
    advancedwholisticcentre.comadvancedwholisticcentre.com Description: A
    natural healing retreat center. Reiki, aromatherapy,
    herbology, iridology, and therapeutic touch. Located on
    100 acres of natural woodlands just outside of Port
    Elgin, Ontario

    Statistics Added: Mon Sep 01 2003 Hits: 0 Rating: 0.00
    Votes: 0

    You can see that not one person who uses their site had
    visited your site according to their web page. But, hey, who
    the hell trusts anyone who runs this kind of secretive
    operation.

    These people could be located in China for all we know,
    couldn't they. Anyone who does business like this, and who
    uses an ISP that is located in a MBE location (Now UPS
    Store) has to have dubious intentions. They intend to sell
    drugs to anyone who wants them. Who are their pharmacists?
    Who are their doctors who would sell dangerous drugs to
    strangers?

    So, don't tell me that Advanced Wholistic Centre's owners or
    employees woke up one morning last September and accidently
    signed up to have their centre added to their online lists.

    Terry

    Quoted message said:


    "Terry Polevoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dave Wickware has no idea of the seriousness of what
    internet pharmacies can do.

    First of all pillsupplier.com has a secret address. They
    hide themselves through a thick layer of security.

    They are not on the approved list of internet pharmacies
    that is maintained by the National Association of Boards
    of Pharmacy. That means that what pillsupplier.com does
    implies risks that I would not take, and anyone who uses
    or recommends that on-line URL ought to have their head
    examined.

    nabp.netnabp.net

    Try to track down who pillsupplier.com really is and you
    are out of luck. When you go to Godaddy.com to find out
    who they are and go to their whois section you may think
    that they are in Arizona, but you may be wrong:

    WHOIS Search Results for: PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WHOIS
    database,while believed by the company to be reliable,
    is provided "as is"with no guarantee or warranties
    regarding its accuracy. Thisinformation is provided for
    the sole purpose of assisting youin obtaining
    information about domain name registration records.Any
    use of this data for any other purpose is expressly
    forbidden without the prior writtenpermission of Go
    Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting an inquiry,you agree
    to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In
    particular,you agree not to use this data to allow,
    enable, or otherwise make possible,dissemination or
    collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for
    anypurpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited
    advertising andand solicitations of any kind, including
    spam. You further agreenot to use this data to enable
    high volume, automated or robotic electronicprocesses
    designed to collect or compile this data for any
    purpose,including mining this data for your own personal
    or commercial purposes. Please note: the registrant of
    the domain name is specifiedin the "registrant" field.
    In most cases, Go Daddy Software, Inc. is not the
    registrant of domain names listed in this
    database.Registrant:

    Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
    PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
    Registered through: GoDaddy.com (godaddy.comgodaddy.com)
    Domain Name: PILLSUPPLIER.COM Created on: 08-Sep-03
    Expires on: 08-Sep-04 Last Updated on: 06-May-04
    Administrative Contact: Private, Registration
    [email hidden] Domain servers in
    listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    Then you locate their address and you find that the
    company known as DomainsByProxy.com is hiding their
    location in a UPS (formerly MBE - Mailboxes, Etc.)
    location:

    mbe.comCenterPage.asp
    BE1669

    Now why would they do that? Are they afraid that someone
    might want to locate their offices to file a complaint?

    Isn't that curious. They have no Adminitrative contact
    listed. These bozos could be anywhere in the world. They
    may not even be in North America. They use a mailbox
    drop, too.

    Then you try to see who Domainsbyproxy.com (DBP) is and
    you get even murkier. But you find out that DBP is
    commited to protect the identity of any of their users
    at any cost unless there are legal proceedings against
    them. If a consumer complained they could probably just
    ignore you.

    So anyone can use them to set up an anonymous URL. They
    could be in Timbuktu, or Waterloo.

    domainsbyproxy.comdomainsbyproxy.com

    When you plug their ISP number 67.15.38.23 into Sam
    Spade you get a location in Houston, Texas.

    samspade.orgwhois
    r=auto

    Here is what DBP says on their web site:

    Did you know that for each domain name you register,
    anyone - anywhere, anytime - can find out your name,
    home address, phone number and email address?

    The law requires that the personal information you
    provide with every domain you register be made public in
    the "WHOIS" database. Your identity becomes instantly
    available - and vulnerable - to spammers, scammers,
    prying eyes and worse.

    But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy!

    Now why in the world would anyone want to advertise the
    Advanced Wholistic retreat centre, which is located in a
    small Ontario town, on an internet site that hawks
    dangerous prescription drugs over the internet, who
    hides their identity AND location? Furthermore, who is
    Roger King, what are his qualifications, and who are the
    doctors and pharmacists who work for his operation?

    Dave, you don't obviously know what you are getting into
    here. If you don't own the Advanced Wholistic clinic,
    then tell us who does, and tell us their qualifications,
    please?

    Your defense of an unregulated industry is unimaginable.
    It is dangerous, and you are obviously out of your
    league here.

    How can a ginseng pedlar like you, or your associates,
    support internet pharmacies?

    How can you, or your associates, advertise a wholistic
    retreat on one of those sites?

    The internet pharmacy has been reported to the proper
    authorities so that they can deal with it.

    So, why don't you ask your friends to remove the
    advertisement from the site in question and apologize to
    your fans.

    Terry

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Terry Polevoy seems to be taunting me to some end
    known only to himself


    , by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suggesting some things that are untrue. First he says
    that I own the Advanced Wholistic Centre. I am a
    patient of the doctor of holistic


    medicine

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    who owns it. Since she is not a licensed physicician
    she can't prescribe prescription drugs. Since she is a
    wholistic, intuitive doctor, she would never be aparty
    to selling drugs. She refers her patients to


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors for that.

    pillsupplier.compillsupplier.com

    Next he posts a review which simply copies and pastes
    some information


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Advanced Wholistic Centre website and then says
    that we own a company of physicians named


    PillSupplier

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in Arizona. This is pretty unacceptable behaviour and
    shows what he stands for. Here is Terry's


    post.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    pillsupplier.comreview54837.
    html

    I have contacted PillSupplier and requested some
    things from them in


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    regard. I guess when I said Terry Polevoy means
    nothing to me, I must have hurt his feelings. I did
    not mean to,


    its

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    just that to me, he is not relevent.

    PillSupplier.com is dedicated to providing cutting-
    edge medicine through Internet technology. Our
    physicians specialize in consulting with privacy-
    minded individuals and prescribing popular
    medications. These medications, sometimes called
    "embarrassment" drugs, are prescribed and dispensed by
    our physicians and pharmacists!

    As one of our patients, you are able to: 1- Enjoy
    complete privacy, discretion, and dignity while
    addressing your condition. 2- Play an active role and
    participate more fully in your own process of care. 3-
    Enjoy your health care in an enlightened manner and
    maintain better health. 4- Enjoy a professional
    consultation at an affordable cost.

    More and more individuals have become weary of the
    medical profession's attitude toward patient care.
    Patients are often left with little or no choice as to
    their course of treatment or what medications they are
    permitted to take. Our physicians are dedicated to
    helping you make your own medical


    decisions.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    We are here to provide you with the professional
    consultation you need


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decide which plan of care is right for you. You are a
    partner with us in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    medical decision-making process.

    Many patients prefer the anonymity of an online
    consultation as opposed


    to a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    conversation with one's personal physician. The
    patient is benefited by technology. Although computers
    are often dismissed as dehumanizing,


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    use in online consultations greatly eases the
    patients' anxiety about discussing their medical
    conditions.

    It is not our position that the Internet could ever
    replace the


    importance

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of seeing your doctor regularly, in person. It is
    important that you seriously consider a full physical
    exam specifically to evaluate


    possible

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    causes for your problem. The issuance of medication
    does not replace the need for a physical exam.

    On behalf of PillSupplier.com, I'd like thank you--our
    customers--for helping make us the world's foremost
    online pharmacy. Your continued


    support

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and business are truly appreciated. We are grateful
    that we are able to offer you our services and that we
    have made such an impact in the


    health

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and wellbeing of so many people's lives.

    Sincerely, Roger King President, PillSupplier.com

  7. Did you stop to consider why a holistic doctor in Ontario
    Canada would advertise on a U.S. website in Arizona. Also if
    you stopped to look you would see that the link is a review
    written by a member of that site, not an advertisement.

    I know you are craving affection, but I can not humor
    you further.

    "Terry Polevoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then your acqusation that this is in any way affiliated
    with the


    Advanced

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Wholistic Centre is a total fabrication by you.

    No Dave - I did not say taht the Advanced Wholistic Centre
    in Waterloo, or Pt. Elgin locations, both in Ontario,
    Canada were affiliated with PillSupplier.com.

    I said that Advanced Wholistic Centre advertised on their
    site. How else did an easy Google search for pillsupplier
    advanced wholistic find this in 0.10 sec?


    google.comsearch
    8&oe=UTF-8&q=pillsupplier+advanced+wholistic

    Quoted message said:


    Advanced Wholistic Centre

    Title: Advanced Wholistic Centre URL:
    advancedwholisticcentre.comadvancedwholisticcentre.com Description: A
    natural healing retreat center. Reiki, aromatherapy,
    herbology, iridology, and therapeutic touch. Located on
    100 acres of natural woodlands just outside of Port
    Elgin, Ontario

    Statistics Added: Mon Sep 01 2003 Hits: 0 Rating: 0.00
    Votes: 0

    You can see that not one person who uses their site had
    visited your site according to their web page. But, hey,
    who the hell trusts anyone who runs this kind of secretive
    operation.

    These people could be located in China for all we know,
    couldn't they. Anyone who does business like this, and who
    uses an ISP that is located in a MBE location (Now UPS
    Store) has to have dubious intentions. They intend to sell
    drugs to anyone who wants them. Who are their pharmacists?
    Who are their doctors who would sell dangerous drugs to
    strangers?

    So, don't tell me that Advanced Wholistic Centre's owners
    or employees woke up one morning last September and
    accidently signed up to have their centre added to their
    online lists.

    Terry

    Quoted message said:


    "Terry Polevoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dave Wickware has no idea of the seriousness of what
    internet pharmacies can do.

    First of all pillsupplier.com has a secret address.
    They hide themselves through a thick layer of
    security.

    They are not on the approved list of internet
    pharmacies that is maintained by the National
    Association of Boards of Pharmacy. That means that
    what pillsupplier.com does implies risks that I would
    not take, and anyone who uses or recommends that on-
    line URL ought to have their head examined.

    nabp.netnabp.net

    Try to track down who pillsupplier.com really is and
    you are out of luck. When you go to Godaddy.com to
    find out who they are and go to their whois section
    you may think that they are in Arizona, but you may be
    wrong:

    WHOIS Search Results for: PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WHOIS
    database,while believed by the company to be reliable,
    is provided "as is"with no guarantee or warranties
    regarding its accuracy. Thisinformation is provided
    for the sole purpose of assisting youin obtaining
    information about domain name registration records.Any
    use of this data for any other purpose is expressly
    forbidden without the prior writtenpermission of Go
    Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting an inquiry,you
    agree to these terms of usage and limitations of
    warranty. In particular,you agree not to use this data
    to allow, enable, or otherwise make
    possible,dissemination or collection of this data, in
    part or in its entirety, for anypurpose, such as the
    transmission of unsolicited advertising andand
    solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further
    agreenot to use this data to enable high volume,
    automated or robotic electronicprocesses designed to
    collect or compile this data for any purpose,including
    mining this data for your own personal or commercial
    purposes. Please note: the registrant of the domain
    name is specifiedin the "registrant" field. In most
    cases, Go Daddy Software, Inc. is not the registrant
    of domain names listed in this database.Registrant:

    Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
    PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
    Registered through: GoDaddy.com
    (godaddy.comgodaddy.com) Domain Name: PILLSUPPLIER.COM
    Created on: 08-Sep-03 Expires on: 08-Sep-04 Last
    Updated on: 06-May-04 Administrative Contact: Private,
    Registration [email hidden]
    Domain servers in listed order: NS.PILLSUPPLIER.COM
    NSX.PILLSUPPLIER.COM

    Then you locate their address and you find that the
    company known as DomainsByProxy.com is hiding their
    location in a UPS (formerly MBE - Mailboxes, Etc.)
    location:

    mbe.comCenterPage.asp
    MBE1669

    Now why would they do that? Are they afraid that
    someone might want to locate their offices to file a
    complaint?

    Isn't that curious. They have no Adminitrative contact
    listed. These bozos could be anywhere in the world.
    They may not even be in North America. They use a
    mailbox drop, too.

    Then you try to see who Domainsbyproxy.com (DBP) is
    and you get even murkier. But you find out that DBP is
    commited to protect the identity of any of their users
    at any cost unless there are legal proceedings against
    them. If a consumer complained they could probably
    just ignore you.

    So anyone can use them to set up an anonymous URL.
    They could be in Timbuktu, or Waterloo.

    domainsbyproxy.comdomainsbyproxy.com

    When you plug their ISP number 67.15.38.23 into Sam
    Spade you get a location in Houston, Texas.

    samspade.orgwhois
    auto

    Here is what DBP says on their web site:

    Did you know that for each domain name you register,
    anyone - anywhere, anytime - can find out your name,
    home address, phone number and email address?

    The law requires that the personal information you
    provide with every domain you register be made public
    in the "WHOIS" database. Your identity becomes
    instantly available - and vulnerable - to spammers,
    scammers, prying eyes and worse.

    But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy!

    Now why in the world would anyone want to advertise
    the Advanced Wholistic retreat centre, which is
    located in a small Ontario town, on an internet site
    that hawks dangerous prescription drugs over the
    internet, who hides their identity AND location?
    Furthermore, who is Roger King, what are his
    qualifications, and who are the doctors and
    pharmacists who work for his operation?

    Dave, you don't obviously know what you are getting
    into here. If you don't own the Advanced Wholistic
    clinic, then tell us who does, and tell us their
    qualifications, please?

    Your defense of an unregulated industry is
    unimaginable. It is dangerous, and you are obviously
    out of your league here.

    How can a ginseng pedlar like you, or your associates,
    support internet pharmacies?

    How can you, or your associates, advertise a wholistic
    retreat on one of those sites?

    The internet pharmacy has been reported to the proper
    authorities so that they can deal with it.

    So, why don't you ask your friends to remove the
    advertisement from the site in question and apologize
    to your fans.

    Terry

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    > Terry Polevoy seems to be taunting me to some end
    > known only to


    himself

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    , by

    Quoted message said:

    > suggesting some things that are untrue. First he
    > says that I own the Advanced Wholistic Centre. I am
    > a patient of the doctor of holistic


    medicine

    Quoted message said:

    > who owns it. Since she is not a licensed physicician
    > she can't


    prescribe

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > prescription drugs. Since she is a wholistic,
    > intuitive doctor, she would never be aparty to
    > selling drugs. She refers her patients


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their

    Quoted message said:

    > doctors for that.
    >
    > pillsupplier.compillsupplier.com
    >
    >
    > Next he posts a review which simply copies and
    > pastes some


    information

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from

    Quoted message said:

    > the Advanced Wholistic Centre website and then says
    > that we own a company of physicians named


    PillSupplier

    Quoted message said:

    > in Arizona. This is pretty unacceptable behaviour
    > and shows what he stands for. Here is Terry's


    post.

    Quoted message said:

    >
    > pillsupplier.comreview54837.
    > html
    >
    > I have contacted PillSupplier and requested some
    > things from them in


    this

    Quoted message said:

    > regard. I guess when I said Terry Polevoy means
    > nothing to me, I must have hurt his feelings. I did
    > not mean


    to,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    its

    Quoted message said:

    > just that to me, he is not relevent.
    >
    > PillSupplier.com is dedicated to providing cutting-
    > edge medicine


    through

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Internet technology. Our physicians specialize in
    > consulting with privacy-minded individuals and
    > prescribing popular medications.


    These

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > medications, sometimes called "embarrassment" drugs,
    > are prescribed


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > dispensed by our physicians and pharmacists!
    >
    > As one of our patients, you are able to: 1- Enjoy
    > complete privacy, discretion, and dignity while
    > addressing


    your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > condition. 2- Play an active role and participate
    > more fully in your own


    process of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > care. 3- Enjoy your health care in an enlightened
    > manner and maintain


    better

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > health. 4- Enjoy a professional consultation at an
    > affordable cost.
    >
    > More and more individuals have become weary of the
    > medical


    profession's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > attitude toward patient care. Patients are often
    > left with little or


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > choice as to their course of treatment or what
    > medications they are permitted to take. Our
    > physicians are dedicated to helping you make your
    > own medical


    decisions.

    Quoted message said:

    > We are here to provide you with the professional
    > consultation you


    need

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    > decide which plan of care is right for you. You are
    > a partner with


    us in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    > medical decision-making process.
    >
    > Many patients prefer the anonymity of an online
    > consultation as


    opposed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to a

    Quoted message said:

    > conversation with one's personal physician. The
    > patient is benefited


    by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > technology. Although computers are often dismissed
    > as dehumanizing,


    their

    Quoted message said:

    > use in online consultations greatly eases the
    > patients' anxiety


    about

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > discussing their medical conditions.
    >
    > It is not our position that the Internet could ever
    > replace the


    importance

    Quoted message said:

    > of seeing your doctor regularly, in person. It is
    > important that you seriously consider a full
    > physical exam specifically to evaluate


    possible

    Quoted message said:

    > causes for your problem. The issuance of medication
    > does not replace


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > need for a physical exam.
    >
    > On behalf of PillSupplier.com, I'd like thank you--
    > our


    customers--for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > helping make us the world's foremost online
    > pharmacy. Your continued


    support

    Quoted message said:

    > and business are truly appreciated. We are grateful
    > that we are able


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > offer you our services and that we have made such an
    > impact in the


    health

    Quoted message said:

    > and wellbeing of so many people's lives.
    >
    > Sincerely, Roger King President, PillSupplier.com

  8. WARNINING!!!! --- ONLINE PHARMACIES CAN BE DANGEROUS TO
    YOUR HEALTH

    journalnow.comSatellite
    MGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031776480752&-
    path=!business&s=1037645507703

    Sunday, July 4, 2004 A Hard Dose Customers of online
    pharmacies are warned of scams involving fake or
    harmful drugs

    By M. Paul Jackson JOURNAL REPORTER

    Kristi Vlahos, a pharmacist at the Jonestown Pharmacy in Winston-
    Salem, is used to seeing scams come across her counter.

    The last one, an advertisement faxed to her pharmacy,
    advertised a birth-control patch. The patch, which is worn
    on a patients' body, functions much like a birth-control
    pill and can control a woman's ovulation cycle.

    But if a patient orders the medication - available over the
    Internet from an offshore drug retailer - the package
    usually contains no medication, leaving patients tricked
    into buying a worthless product, Vlahos said.

    "You have to be absolutely positive" about ordering drugs
    online, she said. "Anybody can make a Web site and send out
    a bunch of spam."

    Vlahos isn't the only person warning customers about online
    drug scams.

    As more and more consumers turn to the Internet to do their
    shopping, a host of online pharmaceutical scams are leaving
    more patients at risk of receiving possibly dangerous drugs,
    officials say.

    According to the U.S. General Accounting Office, drugs
    bought online from other countries - including Argentina,
    Spain, Thailand, Pakistan and Turkey - are more likely to
    contain harmful substances or inadequate instructions than
    those purchased in the United States or Canada. Last month,
    the GAO released a study about online drug sales.

    Kristi Vlahos' husband Ike, a co-owner of the pharmacy,
    agreed. Internet scams "are all over the place," he said.
    "It's a risk out there that people don't really realize."

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has begun
    sending informational fliers to drugstores, warning
    customers that the drugs they purchase online might be fake
    or have dangerous side effects. Vlahos received her warning
    fliers about a month ago, she said.

    Online pharmaceutical shopping is nothing new. Customers
    began turning to the Internet for drugs in the late 1990s.
    The service allows customers to shop virtually around the
    clock and easily compare prices from multiple outlets.
    Because online drugstores have less overhead, prices are
    typically cheaper.

    About 9 million people bought or refilled a drug
    prescription over the Internet last year, according to
    Manhattan Research, a health-care marketing research company
    in New York. Overall, about 26 million people used the
    Internet for drug information in 2003, more than double the
    amount that did so in 2002, according to the company.

    Some online-dedicated companies do charge less than the
    national drug outlets' online service.

    CVS.com, the drug retailer's online service, sells a 20-mg
    bottle of Cialis for about $66 for 6 tablets - about $11
    a pill. In contrast, Cutprice12.com, an online drug
    retailer, sells the same drug for about $9

    Similarly, Eckerd.com offers a 25-mg prescription of Vioxx,
    a popular medication for arthritis, for about $268 for 100
    pills. Cutprice12.com offers 120 pills for about $150,
    according to the site.

    Cutprice12.com, whose ads can frequently show up in a
    consumer's e-mail inbox, does not require a prescription
    from a doctor.

    Under federal law, it is illegal to dispense prescription
    drugs without a valid prescription and to ship drugs that
    are not approved by the Food and Drug Administration

    In the GAO study, federal officials ordered about 11
    drugs from 68 Web sites, including overseas, U.S. and
    Canadian sites.

    About 24 national and 21 foreign Web sites did not require
    prescriptions, and none of the foreign sites included
    pharmacy labels instructing customers about proper use of
    their medications, according to the agency. About six orders
    were never even received despite prepayment.

    "It's a 'buyer beware' situation," said David Work, the
    executive director of the N.C. Board of Pharmacy, which
    investigates cases of online drug fraud.

    "As people get more and more comfortable on the Internet,
    this kind of thing could increase,"he said. "I don't
    think the public realizes how much they depend on
    prescription drugs."

    Others agreed. Mike Blankenship, a pharmacist at Andrews
    Pharmacy in Winston-Salem, said that some consumers can be
    tricked into ordering products that contain no medication,
    such as a scam involving Lipitor, a drug for managing
    cholesterol. For many patients, buying drugs online is
    similar to using tobacco, Blankenship said. "They know it's
    not the absolute best thing in the world, but they're using
    it anyway."

    To be sure, online-pharmacy companies do represent growing
    competition for the traditional brick-and-mortar pharmacy.
    Apart from lower prices, buying drugs online is also
    convenient, especially for patients in rural areas who may
    have limited access to pharmacies, said Erika Fishman, a
    company senior analyst for Manhattan Research.

    Online sales are increasing "because consumers are taking
    advantage of international markets," Fishman said.

    Ironically, those are the markets that seem to be scamming
    customers the most. Joyce Tipton, the assistant director of
    pharmacy for Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center,
    said that some online drugstores are legitimate, but she
    warned consumers that many others are not.

    "There's no guarantee they may be getting the real
    drug," she said.

    The National Association of Boards of Pharmacy maintains a
    certified list of licensed pharmacies, called the Verified
    Internet Pharmacies List, that legally sell drugs online.
    That list is available on the association's Web site.

    Work also suggested that the federal government begin
    to punish shipping companies who willingly deliver
    illegal drugs.

    But if the online drugs are cheaper, can the industry expect
    a halt to the practice? Work says no.

    He acknowledged that shoppers can save money online, but
    cautioned that the savings are not worth the risk.

    "We're approaching this from a health and safety issue," he
    said, "and in this case, it is definitely a safety issue."

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