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    Doe
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    Int J Colorectal Dis. 2004 Apr 6 [Epub ahead of print]
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    Effects of iron deprivation or chelation on DNA damage in
    experimental colitis.

    Barollo M, D'Inca R, Scarpa M, Medici V, Cardin R, Fries W,
    Angriman I, Sturniolo GC.

    Department of Surgical and Gastroenterological
    Sciences, University of Padua, Via Giustiniani 2,
    Italy, 35128, Padova.

    BACKGROUND AND AIMS. In inflammatory bowel diseases iron
    contributes to the formation of DNA adducts through the
    production of hydroxyl radicals. The aim of our study was to
    evaluate the effects of dietary or pharmacological iron
    deprivation in an experimental model of colitis in the rat
    and its potential protective effect against DNA damage.
    METHODS. Colitis was induced in rats by intracolonic
    instillation of dinitrobenzene sulphonic acid. Rats were
    assigned to an iron-deprived diet or to desferrioxamine
    preceding the induction of colitis. The severity of colitis
    was assessed by the presence of bloody diarrhea, colonic
    macroscopic damage score, body-weight variations and the
    amount of DNA colonic adducts. Hepatic and colonic iron
    concentrations were measured. RESULTS. Treated rats
    experienced less diarrhea and did not lose weight in
    comparison to untreated animals. The macroscopic damage
    score was significantly reduced in the iron-deprived diet
    for the 5-week group ( P=0.03). Liver and colonic iron
    levels were significantly more reduced in the iron-deprived
    groups than in the standard diet group ( P<0.03 and P<0.01
    after a 3- and 5-week iron-deprived diet, respectively). DNA
    adduct formation was significantly reduced in the groups
    deprived of iron for 5 weeks ( P<0.001) or treated with
    desferrioxamine ( P<0.01). CONCLUSIONS. The degree of
    colitis caused by DNBS is macroscopically improved by
    dietary iron deprivation and to a lesser extent by
    pharmacological chelation; genomic damage is reduced by
    dietary iron deprivation or chelation, and this may have
    clinical implications on cancer prevention.

    PMID: 15067556 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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  2. William A. Noye
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    Doe, you are stupid. But we forgive as you are insane in
    our opinions.

    Reposting the same abstract repeatedly like you did is like
    when your roommate smears fecal matter on the walls as a
    matter of expression.

    who loves you?...not....William A. Noyes

    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040407152447.21883.00000709@mb-
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    Int J Colorectal Dis. 2004 Apr 6 [Epub ahead of print]
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  3. Doe
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    Subject: Re: irritable bowel / iron
    From: "William A. Noyes" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/8/2004 12:21 AM Mountain Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Doe, you are stupid. But we forgive as you are insane in
    our opinions.

    Reposting the same abstract repeatedly like you did is like
    when your roommate smears fecal matter on the walls as a
    matter of expression.

    I repeatedly reposted the article under different headings
    because .. it seems .. according to the evidence in this
    newsgroup .. that very few of the people ON this newsgroup
    can actually understand the medical studies I place directly
    out of Medline ..

    Seeing YOUR post to this article .. I can see .. my insight
    to be correct ..

    So let me explain it PERSONALLY to YOU ..

    Reseachers use animals to test their theories as to the
    efficacy of direct medical intervention in medical problems.

    They induce the disease to be studied IN the animal by ..
    ACCEPTED .. means ..

    ACCEPTED means .. means .. methods generally .. AGREED ..
    upon .. by researchers across the world ..

    This study SPECIFICALLY attempted to explore the use of iron
    deprivation and / or iron chelation to study the progress of
    .. colitis ..

    Do I need to explain colitis to .. you .. Bill ?

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    who loves you?...not....William A. Noyes

    Look .. into .. that ..

    Who loves ya. Tom

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  4. Manky Badger
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    "William A. Noyes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Doe, you are stupid. But we forgive as you are insane in
    our opinions.

    Reposting the same abstract repeatedly like you did is
    like when your roommate smears fecal matter on the walls
    as a matter of expression.

    who loves you?...not....William A. Noyes

    Oh, I love him ;o) I quite miss him when he gets his email
    accounts suspended.

    He does lighten up what can sometimes be a dull internet. I
    reckon I've finally figured the iron fixation all out - it's
    one big troll. Certainly had me going !

    MB

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  5. markd
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    "I repeatedly reposted the article under different headings
    because .. it seems .. according to the evidence in this
    newsgroup .. that very few of the people ON this newsgroup
    can actually understand the medical studies I place directly
    out of Medline .."

    You use your abstracts like prooftexting scripture, usually
    missing the central point, not unlike the mistakes made when
    you analyze real scripture; you start with a conclusion and
    try to fit the words into that notion. It is because we do
    understand the abstracts and clearly see how you
    misuse/distort them that we can respond. That you reject the
    responce is no measure of their validity and is irrelevant,
    but surely does reveal much about you.

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  6. Doe
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    Subject: Re: irritable bowel / iron
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 4/8/2004 12:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "I repeatedly reposted the article under different headings
    because .. it seems .. according to the evidence in this
    newsgroup .. that very few of the people ON this newsgroup
    can actually understand the medical studies I place
    directly out of Medline .."

    You use your abstracts like prooftexting scripture, usually
    missing the central point, not unlike the mistakes made
    when you analyze real scripture;

    Heh .. heh ..

    Quoted message said:

    you start with a conclusion and try to fit the words into
    that notion.

    Hey .. pal .. the Bible HAS been corrupted .. PROVEN ..

    So if you think I base ANYTHING on the WORDS in the Bible ..
    as defined BY a .. dictionary ..

    Quoted message said:

    It is because we do understand the abstracts and clearly
    see how you misuse/distort them that we can respond.

    Don't you mean .. NOT .. place abstracts which 'undermine'
    .. my .. iron .. agenda .. ?

    Quoted message said:

    That you reject the responce is no measure of their
    validity and is irrelevant, but surely does reveal much
    about you.

    Yes you are right ..

    Simply because I reject respon-s-e doesn't mean the respon-s-
    e .. is .. correct ..

    In your case ..

    Rejected respon-s-e .. DUE TO .. bias / stupidity / ..
    religious ferver ..

    Who loves ya. Tom

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  7. markd
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    "Hey .. pal .. the Bible HAS been corrupted .. PROVEN ..

    So if you think I base ANYTHING on the WORDS in the Bible ..
    as defined BY
    a .. dictionary .."

    So, you now reject the many pages of "decoding" the "real"
    meaning on your web page because the text you used is
    corrupt? I figure you accept the corrupt ramblings of the
    gnostic groups who also push veggie alone and have the
    weakest rationalizations for their views about viggie alone
    eating and Christianity that could ever be imagined? Sorry
    to tell you, they have iron in every part of their body, all
    of them wil die, therefore all of them will have died for
    the sin of iron.

    I respect your right to believe and proclaim whatever you
    wish in religion, but when you want to make science bend to
    your belief system we are equally free to see if the thesis
    you suggest really fits the real emperical cosmos.

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  8. Doe
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    Subject: Re: irritable bowel / iron
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 4/8/2004 2:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Hey .. pal .. the Bible HAS been corrupted .. PROVEN ..

    So if you think I base ANYTHING on the WORDS in the Bible
    .. as defined BY
    a .. dictionary .."

    So, you now reject the many pages of "decoding" the "real"
    meaning on your web page because the text you used is
    corrupt? I figure you accept the corrupt ramblings of the
    gnostic groups who also push veggie alone and have the
    weakest rationalizations for their views about viggie alone
    eating and Christianity that could ever be imagined? Sorry
    to tell you, they have iron in every part of their body,
    all of them wil die, therefore all of them will have died
    for the sin of iron.

    I respect your right to believe and proclaim whatever you
    wish in religion, but when you want to make science bend to
    your belief system we are equally free to see if the thesis
    you suggest really fits the real emperical cosmos.

    By .. any .. means .. possible ..

    Eh ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    Jrkff ..

    My insight IS .. impeccable ..

    Who loves ya. Tom

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  9. Manky Badger
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    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: irritable bowel / iron From: markd@toad-
    net.com Date: 4/8/2004 2:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time Message-
    id: <[email hidden]>

    "Hey .. pal .. the Bible HAS been corrupted .. PROVEN ..

    So if you think I base ANYTHING on the WORDS in the Bible
    .. as defined


    BY

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a .. dictionary .."

    So, you now reject the many pages of "decoding" the
    "real" meaning on


    your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    web page because the text you used is corrupt? I figure
    you accept the corrupt ramblings of the gnostic groups
    who also push veggie alone and have the weakest
    rationalizations for their views about viggie alone
    eating and Christianity that could ever be imagined?
    Sorry to tell you, they have iron in every part of their
    body, all of them wil die,


    therefore

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all of them will have died for the sin of iron.

    I respect your right to believe and proclaim whatever you
    wish in religion, but when you want to make science bend
    to your belief system we are equally free to see if the
    thesis you suggest really fits the real emperical cosmos.

    By .. any .. means .. possible ..

    Eh ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    Jrkff ..

    My insight IS .. impeccable ..

    Oh come on people - read this - Tom's gone too far now &
    given the game away. He's been trolling all along !

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  10. Manky Badger
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    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Oh come on people - read this - Tom's gone too far now &
    given the game away. He's been trolling all along !

    How .. you .. figure .. ?

    Good one Tommy - it had me going for a couple of years. You
    blew it it the earlier post where you said some anti-
    biblical bits.

    But it's been a good wind up over the years. Certainly
    entertained me !!

    Shame it's come to an end really. Still I expect there's
    others out there who'll think it's for real.

    Enjoy ;o)

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  11. Manky Badger
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    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: irritable bowel / iron From: "Manky Badger"
    [email hidden]'t.shine Date: 4/8/2004
    3:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040408171551.10071.00000037@mb-
    m17.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    >Oh come on people - read this - Tom's gone too far now
    >& given the


    game

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >away. He's been trolling all along !

    How .. you .. figure .. ?

    Good one Tommy - it had me going for a couple of years.
    You blew it it the earlier post where you said some anti-
    biblical bits.

    But it's been a good wind up over the years. Certainly
    entertained me !!

    Shame it's come to an end really. Still I expect there's
    others out there who'll think it's for real.

    Enjoy ;o)

    Awww .. jb ..

    Don't let it hit ya ..

    The attitude - the dots - the missing vowels - the
    total lack of any scientific continuity whatsoever - it
    was a good one.

    Well done - excellent wind up ;o)

    MB

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  12. Manky Badger
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    Doe, you are stupid. But we forgive as you are insane
    in our opinions.

    He certainly is in need of serious psychiatric care. I
    hope he will or has persued this help.

    I used to think that, but I'm now pretty much convinced
    he's asctually a very successful troll. It's certainly
    had me going.

    MB

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