Is Michael Jackson Innocent?

Carrera said:

Ross B. Mirkarimi, The Arms Control Research Centre, from his report: ‘The Environmental and Human Health Impacts of the Gulf Region with Special Reference to Iraq publishes pictures of child victims of Bush's war. The photos are basically too disturbing to publish here so I won't. But to quote:
"I have recently received large numbers of photographs of horrendous birth deformities that are being experienced in Iraq. I have not, quite frankly, ever seen anything like them."
The point here is you have one man who loves children of all nationalities being put on trial accused of sexual abuse (claims motivated by greed and money). Then you have another man whose policies have blighted the lives of thousands of children, leaving children without limbs in many cases or malnourished with birth defects from uranium.
Little wonder there were crowds gathered outside the court where Michael is being charged, accusing Bush of genocide and war crimes. Why isn't this same individual in court where he ought to be taking Jackson's place?

Because every individual should answer for their own actions Bush as well as Jackson.
Does this always happen? No of course not but GWB is a separate issue and no way connected as far as I know.

Curiously, protesters seem to have made the connection. The trial has been dogged by anti-war protests. There may be a feeling that a lot of time and effort is going into efforts to ruin a man who poses little threat to either children or adults. If Jackson had been a genuine sexual abuser he wouldn't have been so open over his association with these kids.
Seems like a show trial but the wrong person is standing in the dock.

jhuskey said:

Because every individual should answer for their own actions Bush as well as Jackson.
Does this always happen? No of course not but GWB is a separate issue and no way connected as far as I know.

Carrera said:

Curiously, protesters seem to have made the connection. The trial has been dogged by anti-war protests. There may be a feeling that a lot of time and effort is going into efforts to ruin a man who poses little threat to either children or adults. If Jackson had been a genuine sexual abuser he wouldn't have been so open over his association with these kids.
Seems like a show trial but the wrong person is standing in the dock.

I did read a story about a person standing judgement for the follies of others, but that was a couple of thousand years ago and GW doesn't look Jewish to me.
The jury will probably make a good decision.

Carrera said:

This is an assumption made by the media - i.e. that simply because Jackson associates with kids he has to be an abuser. Same as Mike Tyson, Jack Johnson, Muhammad Ali e.t.c. there are people targeting Jackson due to envy.
If the American media want to go after genuine abusers, why nominate Bush as Man of The Year when he killed more children through war and sanctions than Jackson probably befriended.
Go after the real criminals, is my view and let's put Bush on trial for war crimes.

No, there is a pattern and all abusers display a pattern...MJ can't stay away from kids...If he were innocent, after paying out millions why would he continue to entice kids to his bed? Why would he dangle a baby over a balcony? He is a freak and should not be near kids nor should he be allowed to parent any...The media doesn't have to trump up anything about Jackson...it is all there for you to see...just open your eyes...

He may need some kind of specialist therapy but I don't see him as a child abuser at all. Most child abusers operate very secretly and cover their tracks. Here are some snippets you might find interesting with regard to how genuine abusers operate:

"By year's end, some 1,200 priests had been accused of abuse nationwide, the New York Times reported, in an investigative report of its own. In the ensuing maelstrom, five U.S. prelates resigned. Also, bishops from Argentina, Germany, Ireland, Poland, Wales, Scotland, Canada, Switzerland and Austria were also forced out of the church. More than 80 percent of the church's victims were male.
These priests were moved around from diocese to diocese, given positions that limited their contact with children, or moved to administrative duties – but they usually found their way back into a parish, holding Mass and coming in contact with more potential victims.
Worse for the church, Americans discovered some of the most abusive priests were protected by upper echelons of the clergy.
According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.

zapper said:

No, there is a pattern and all abusers display a pattern...MJ can't stay away from kids...If he were innocent, after paying out millions why would he continue to entice kids to his bed? Why would he dangle a baby over a balcony? He is a freak and should not be near kids nor should he be allowed to parent any...The media doesn't have to trump up anything about Jackson...it is all there for you to see...just open your eyes...

Carrera said:

He may need some kind of specialist therapy but I don't see him as a child abuser at all. Most child abusers operate very secretly and cover their tracks. Here are some snippets you might find interesting with regard to how genuine abusers operate:

"By year's end, some 1,200 priests had been accused of abuse nationwide, the New York Times reported, in an investigative report of its own. In the ensuing maelstrom, five U.S. prelates resigned. Also, bishops from Argentina, Germany, Ireland, Poland, Wales, Scotland, Canada, Switzerland and Austria were also forced out of the church. More than 80 percent of the church's victims were male.
These priests were moved around from diocese to diocese, given positions that limited their contact with children, or moved to administrative duties – but they usually found their way back into a parish, holding Mass and coming in contact with more potential victims.
Worse for the church, Americans discovered some of the most abusive priests were protected by upper echelons of the clergy.
According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.

What you fail to take into account is Jackson’s popularity. They interviewed a woman (devout catholic) who has been camping out at neverland in support of MJ....her words " I had to decide to travel and go to the Popes funeral or come here to support Michael...I chose supporting Michael. I just love him!" 🙄

Carrera said:

He may need some kind of specialist therapy but I don't see him as a child abuser at all. Most child abusers operate very secretly and cover their tracks. Here are some snippets you might find interesting with regard to how genuine abusers operate:

"By year's end, some 1,200 priests had been accused of abuse nationwide, the New York Times reported, in an investigative report of its own. In the ensuing maelstrom, five U.S. prelates resigned. Also, bishops from Argentina, Germany, Ireland, Poland, Wales, Scotland, Canada, Switzerland and Austria were also forced out of the church. More than 80 percent of the church's victims were male.
These priests were moved around from diocese to diocese, given positions that limited their contact with children, or moved to administrative duties – but they usually found their way back into a parish, holding Mass and coming in contact with more potential victims.
Worse for the church, Americans discovered some of the most abusive priests were protected by upper echelons of the clergy.
According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.

Hey crapera...explain the fingerprints on the [censored]....

Well, if Jackson didn't abuse him, he turned him into a drug addict...

"Culkin, star of the "Home Alone" films, was arrested September 17 after police stopped a car in which he was a passenger. Officers found over a half-ounce of marijuana and several tablets of Xanax, a prescription medication used to treat depression and panic disorders, court records show."

limerickman said:

I had intended to wtach that TV prohram (C4 ?) but I didn't get to see it.

There seems to be a lot of allegations about Jackson and his alleged behaviour
concerning children.

I take the view that, without proof, it is impossible to ascertain the veracity
of the allegations.
The allegations could be true.
On the other hand the allegations may be false and are being made for publicity/money purposes.
But without proof, I have to say that we cannot accuse him of being guilty.

So you think Hamilton might be innocent too.....where there is so much smoke there is fire.....Critty

crithater said:

So you think Hamilton might be innocent too.....where there is so much smoke there is fire.....Critty

Why is this thread not running on the third rail for power. All too shocked, or what? Jeez I thought it was a smasher for opinion. Come on get stuck in as Michael might say.

crithater said:

So you think Hamilton might be innocent too.....where there is so much smoke there is fire.....Critty

What has TH got to do with the MJ case ?
MJ was facing serious criminal charges.
TH's case was far less serious.

I don't know the details of the MJ case - except that the evidence, as I understand, was circumstantial.
I have no interest in the MJ case to be perfectly honest.

limerickman said:

What has TH got to do with the MJ case ?
MJ was facing serious criminal charges.
TH's case was far less serious.

I don't know the details of the MJ case - except that the evidence, as I understand, was circumstantial.
I have no interest in the MJ case to be perfectly honest.

My point is that both are guilty.......no matter what the jury said.....critty

crithater said:

My point is that both are guilty.......no matter what the jury said.....critty

Are you Tom Sneddon ?

limerickman said:

Are you Tom Sneddon ?

Roy Bean. an a' do keep things in general order.

limerickman said:

Are you Tom Sneddon ?

Are you my Mom...lol...

limerickman said:

Are you Tom Sneddon ?

Here is the deal....you can stick your head in the sand and pretend these things don't happen in life or you can you your common sense that GOD gave you....If you think that mr. jackson is innocent, that is just peachy for you....I don't.....I don't think Tyler Hamilton is innocent either...I don't go for the easy way out....Mr. Crit...

He is guilty and I don't know how he got off twice. Val

shortwavez said:

He is guilty and I don't know how he got off twice. Val

Probably Viagra...oh, you meant found not guilty.
Sorry couldn't resist!

shortwavez said:

He is guilty and I don't know how he got off twice. Val

Well, it's all over now, so MJ's doing a new film. '[censored] Wankhim and the Snow factory'.

FredC said:

Well, it's all over now, so MJ's doing a new film. '[censored] Wankhim and the Snow factory'.

I heard he will be using the sound track from his new album. "I'm Bad but you can't prove it" with his hit single.
"Billy Jean is not my love but her 12 year old has a cute butt".