Is Voeckler going to be the

Do you remember a skinny French kid who was in yellow for just one day back
in 1992 that seems to have done OK for himself?

Actually, I was thinking that Voeckler is looking like this year's
incarnation of Pascal Lino or Francois Simon. You know, someone who
realistically can't place much better than 15th or so being spotted 10 - 15
minutes (or more) in an early breakaway that catapults him into yellow. He
has enough of a lead to hold onto it and still finish in the top 10 in
Paris.

My gut says Voeckler finishes this TdF somewhere between 6th and 8th, never
to place this highly again. He might pull one or two more top 15's but I
just don't see him doing better than he did this year. I guarantee you that
he'll never be spotted 12 minutes during the first week of a TdF ever again.

Jim Burlant

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French Henman from now on ?

Poor kid.

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Actually, I was thinking that Voeckler is looking like this year's
incarnation of Pascal Lino or Francois Simon. You know, someone who
realistically can't place much better than 15th or so being spotted 10 -

15

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minutes (or more) in an early breakaway that catapults him into yellow. He
has enough of a lead to hold onto it and still finish in the top 10 in
Paris.

That's exactly who I thought of, but Voeckler's a bit better IMO.

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My gut says Voeckler finishes this TdF somewhere between 6th and 8th,

never

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to place this highly again. He might pull one or two more top 15's but I
just don't see him doing better than he did this year. I guarantee you

that

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he'll never be spotted 12 minutes during the first week of a TdF ever

again.

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Given that he finished 3.28.18 behind last year, I think he's done pretty
well this time around, and hopefully he hasn't reached the top of the
learning curve. All things equal, which they aren't because of the yellow
jersey :-), without that 12'33 "bonus" he'd be 17th at the moment, just
behind Moreau. Not bad, considering his youth. I guess time will tell.

Jeff

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Actually, I was thinking that Voeckler is looking like this year's
incarnation of Pascal Lino or Francois Simon. You know, someone who
realistically can't place much better than 15th or so being spotted 10 -

15

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minutes (or more) in an early breakaway that catapults him into yellow. He
has enough of a lead to hold onto it and still finish in the top 10 in
Paris.

That's exactly who I thought of, but Voeckler's a bit better IMO.

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My gut says Voeckler finishes this TdF somewhere between 6th and 8th,

never

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to place this highly again. He might pull one or two more top 15's but I
just don't see him doing better than he did this year. I guarantee you

that

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he'll never be spotted 12 minutes during the first week of a TdF ever

again.

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Given that he finished 3.28.18 behind last year, I think he's done pretty
well this time around, and hopefully he hasn't reached the top of the
learning curve. All things equal, which they aren't because of the yellow
jersey :-), without that 12'33 "bonus" he'd be 17th at the moment, just
behind Moreau. Not bad, considering his youth. I guess time will tell.

Jeff

No doubt in my mind that young Thomas Voeckler has had a taste of life
at the top and has risen to his full potential (for this year.)
Whether he slacks off after this, through sloth and excess or the
belief (after being drummed hard by competitors for a couple years)
that he'll never be as good again, takes root we can only speculate.

He's certainly a good poster boy for the TdF in a country that has
needed one for a long time, but also he's a good face for the Tour
internationally as well.

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Do you remember a skinny French kid who was in yellow for just one day

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in 1992 that seems to have done OK for himself?

Virenque has always been a climber. I don't see any parallels between him
and Voeckler. Voeckler is more like Barteaux ('84), Lino ('92), Vasseur
('97) and Simon ('01) all of who (are French and) carried the yellow jersey
in to (if not out of) the mountains longer then they were expected to.

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Do you remember a skinny French kid who was in yellow for just one day

back

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in 1992 that seems to have done OK for himself?

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Virenque has always been a climber. I don't see any parallels between him
and Voeckler. Voeckler is more like Barteaux ('84), Lino ('92), Vasseur
('97) and Simon ('01) all of who (are French and) carried the yellow jersey
in to (if not out of) the mountains longer then they were expected to.

Speaking of Voeckler, his climbing style has to be one of the oddest,
seemingly inefficient versions to manage to keep respectable. Any chances
somebody's going to take him indoors this winter and work on this? I
swear he'd gain minutes by simply keeping his [censored] in line and not weaving
all over the road. He kinda reminds me of me, when I was young and you put
the tape on fast forward, then I wake up...

Too many people are forgetting he's reigning French pro road champion.
That shows quite a bit of class.

JT

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Do you remember a skinny French kid who was in yellow for just one day

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in 1992 that seems to have done OK for himself?

Virenque has always been a climber. I don't see any parallels between him
and Voeckler. Voeckler is more like Barteaux ('84), Lino ('92), Vasseur
('97) and Simon ('01) all of who (are French and) carried the yellow

jersey

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in to (if not out of) the mountains longer then they were expected to.

The difference is that Voekler is just 25 and has at least a decade ahead of
him to learn his craft.

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Do you remember a skinny French kid who was in yellow for just one day

back

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in 1992 that seems to have done OK for himself?

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Virenque has always been a climber. I don't see any parallels between

him

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and Voeckler. Voeckler is more like Barteaux ('84), Lino ('92), Vasseur
('97) and Simon ('01) all of who (are French and) carried the yellow

jersey

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in to (if not out of) the mountains longer then they were expected to.

Speaking of Voeckler, his climbing style has to be one of the oddest,
seemingly inefficient versions to manage to keep respectable. Any chances
somebody's going to take him indoors this winter and work on this? I
swear he'd gain minutes by simply keeping his [censored] in line and not weaving
all over the road. He kinda reminds me of me, when I was young and you put
the tape on fast forward, then I wake up...

I'm convinced that he isn't THAT ugly.

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Actually, I was thinking that Voeckler is looking like this year's
incarnation of Pascal Lino

That's exactly who I thought of, but Voeckler's a bit better IMO.

He reminds me of Lino as well. But I think that he is showing a lot more
guts than Pascal did. Not that Lino did badly, but Voeckler is a battler.

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My gut says Voeckler finishes this TdF somewhere between 6th and 8th,
never to place this highly again.

Given that he finished 3.28.18 behind last year, I think he's done pretty
well this time around, and hopefully he hasn't reached the top of the
learning curve. All things equal, which they aren't because of the yellow
jersey :-), without that 12'33 "bonus" he'd be 17th at the moment, just
behind Moreau. Not bad, considering his youth. I guess time will tell.

I agree with you and hope to see a lot more of Voeckler. Besides the French
really do need another champion.

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I agree with you and hope to see a lot more of Voeckler. Besides the French
really do need another champion.

Tom
With Voekler, Cunego, Basso, Boonen etc.. coming up and showing well I feel
really good about the future of racing. I still think that we will have a few
solid Europros fronm the US in the next few years.
I was only half kidding when I suggested YMC as Carmichaels next project.
Bill C

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Do you remember a skinny French kid who was in yellow for just one day

back

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in 1992 that seems to have done OK for himself?

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Virenque has always been a climber. I don't see any parallels between him
and Voeckler. Voeckler is more like Barteaux ('84), Lino ('92), Vasseur
('97) and Simon ('01) all of who (are French and) carried the yellow jersey
in to (if not out of) the mountains longer then they were expected to.

Speaking of Voeckler, his climbing style has to be one of the oddest,
seemingly inefficient versions to manage to keep respectable. Any chances
somebody's going to take him indoors this winter and work on this? I
swear he'd gain minutes by simply keeping his [censored] in line and not weaving
all over the road. He kinda reminds me of me, when I was young and you put
the tape on fast forward, then I wake up...

From : http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/jun99/jun2.shtml

Paris - Roubaix espoirs, Under-23, May 30, 186.3 kms:

1. Sébastien Joly (Fra) Vendée-U 4.36.39
2. Stéphane Krafft (Fra) France 0.24
3. Andreas Wilfurth (Ger) Germany 0.24
4. Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Vendée-U 0.24
5. Freddy Ravaleu (Fra) Jean-Floc'h-Mantes 0.24
6. Tom Boonen (Fra) Groeninge 0.35
7. David Derepas (Fra) France 0.48
8. Fabrice Salanson (Fra) Vendée-U 0.54
9. Gorik Gardeyn (Fra) Groeninge 1.00
10. Kirk O'Bee (USA) Ikon-Wheelers 1.00

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> Do you remember a skinny French kid who was in yellow for just one day
back
> in 1992 that seems to have done OK for himself?

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Virenque has always been a climber. I don't see any parallels between

him

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and Voeckler. Voeckler is more like Barteaux ('84), Lino ('92), Vasseur
('97) and Simon ('01) all of who (are French and) carried the yellow

jersey

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in to (if not out of) the mountains longer then they were expected to.

Speaking of Voeckler, his climbing style has to be one of the oddest,
seemingly inefficient versions to manage to keep respectable. Any chances
somebody's going to take him indoors this winter and work on this? I
swear he'd gain minutes by simply keeping his [censored] in line and not weaving
all over the road. He kinda reminds me of me, when I was young and you put
the tape on fast forward, then I wake up...

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I'm convinced that he isn't THAT ugly.

See, Tom. Even your humo(u)r is spiteful...

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Too many people are forgetting he's reigning French pro road champion.
That shows quite a bit of class.

I agree, but will he get remade into an all-arounder in the next couple
years? He clearly has the grit.

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JT

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Speaking of Voeckler, his climbing style has to be one of the oddest,
seemingly inefficient versions to manage to keep respectable. Any

chances

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somebody's going to take him indoors this winter and work on this? I
swear he'd gain minutes by simply keeping his [censored] in line and not

weaving

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all over the road. He kinda reminds me of me, when I was young and you

put

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the tape on fast forward, then I wake up...

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I'm convinced that he isn't THAT ugly.

See, Tom. Even your humo(u)r is spiteful...

That's what comes from growing up in Oakland. If you think I have it bad you
just ought to check out Bob Roll.

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> Speaking of Voeckler, his climbing style has to be one of the oddest,
> seemingly inefficient versions to manage to keep respectable. Any

chances

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> somebody's going to take him indoors this winter and work on this? I
> swear he'd gain minutes by simply keeping his [censored] in line and not

weaving

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> all over the road. He kinda reminds me of me, when I was young and you

put

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> the tape on fast forward, then I wake up...

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I'm convinced that he isn't THAT ugly.

See, Tom. Even your humo(u)r is spiteful...

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That's what comes from growing up in Oakland. If you think I have it bad you
just ought to check out Bob Roll.

Now you're FUNNY...