It's not fair!

Succorso said:

I would like to (humbly) suggest that us rural cyclists are just as
vulnerable as our equine friends, and should be offered the same courtesy.

Still, in the UK you're one step ahead of the continent towards equal
rights for horses and cyclists; I understand you don't eat horse meat.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Succorso said:

I would like to (humbly) suggest that us rural cyclists are just as
vulnerable as our equine friends, and should be offered the same courtesy.

Still, in the UK you're one step ahead of the continent towards equal
rights for horses and cyclists; I understand you don't eat horse meat.

We don't eat cyclist meat either ... equality indeed!

On 2/10/04 12:08 pm, a person known to the world as

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Quoted message said:

Indded, but typical cager mindset is more concerned about the damage a tonne

of
spooked horse can do to the bonnet of their penis rather more than the damage
a
cyclist can do. Sad, but with a large grain of truth in it I think. Plus there
is the advert that periodically appears on the google box reminding them to
slow down for horses, but there's not a similar one reminding them about their
duties to other road users in general, cyclists in particular

It's because cyclists don't come and march through London every time they
are unhappy about how they are treated.

(runs for cover)

Ian Walker
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:56:20 +0000, Succorso
<chris@_LEAVE_US_ALONE_SPAMMER_SCUM_ivy-house.net> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Drivers of motorised vehicles in rural areas follow one particular rule,
in my experience, pretty much 100%; and that is - they slow down to a
complete crawl (<5mph) when passing horses.

So do I. They hate recumbents :-)

Guy
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Out for a lovely 50k ride this morning (enjoyng a brief sunny interval
here in Norfolk), and after observing something up ahead, a question
popped into my head.

Drivers of motorised vehicles in rural areas follow one particular rule,
in my experience, pretty much 100%; and that is - they slow down to a
complete crawl (<5mph) when passing horses.

I would like to (humbly) suggest that us rural cyclists are just as
vulnerable as our equine friends, and should be offered the same courtesy.

Now that I think about it - I really don't understand why it's ok to go
steaming past a cyclist at motorway speed, but not a horse and rider.
Yes yes, the horse may be startled and do something rash - but hey, so
may I.

--
Chris

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Quoted message said:

I would like to (humbly) suggest that us rural cyclists are just as
vulnerable as our equine friends, and should be offered the same
courtesy.

Indded, but typical cager mindset is more concerned about the damage
a tonne of spooked horse can do to the bonnet of their penis rather
more than the damage a cyclist can do. Sad, but with a large grain of
truth in it I think.

I'd like to think they're concerned what the horse might do, and as by
product (or not) they're concerned about the person on the horse.

A bicycle is not going to rear up and dump it's rider WITHOUT THE RIDER
MAKING IT.

You try telling a horse what to do when it doesn't feel like it.

Succorso chris@_LEAVE_US_ALONE_SPAMMER_SCUM said:

Now that I think about it - I really don't understand why it's ok to go
steaming past a cyclist at motorway speed, but not a horse and rider.
Yes yes, the horse may be startled and do something rash - but hey, so
may I.

It's really very simple - when the horse does something rash it is
likely to cause significant damage to your shiny bodywork (since it
has armoured pointy-bits on various extremities), but a cyclist just
wipes off with a damp cloth.

regards, Ian SMith
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:46:49 +0100, "dwb" <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

A bicycle is not going to rear up and dump it's rider WITHOUT THE RIDER
MAKING IT.

Unless there's diesel on the roads :o)

Guy
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Succorso said:

Out for a lovely 50k ride this morning (enjoyng a brief sunny interval
here in Norfolk), and after observing something up ahead, a question
popped into my head.

Drivers of motorised vehicles in rural areas follow one particular rule,
in my experience, pretty much 100%; and that is - they slow down to a
complete crawl (<5mph) when passing horses.

I would like to (humbly) suggest that us rural cyclists are just as
vulnerable as our equine friends, and should be offered the same courtesy.

Now that I think about it - I really don't understand why it's ok to go
steaming past a cyclist at motorway speed, but not a horse and rider.
Yes yes, the horse may be startled and do something rash - but hey, so
may I.

--
Chris

So the answer is to ride a tandem (with your partner) wearing a
pantomime horse outfit ;-)

Tony

Just zis Guy said:

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:56:20 +0000, Succorso
<chris@_LEAVE_US_ALONE_SPAMMER_SCUM_ivy-house.net> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Drivers of motorised vehicles in rural areas follow one particular rule,
in my experience, pretty much 100%; and that is - they slow down to a
complete crawl (<5mph) when passing horses.

So do I. They hate recumbents :-)

Guy

They also hate normal bikes with panniers - even when the bright yellow
rain cover's nowhere to be seen!

I could see the horse was eyeing me up in a
'ohmygoditsahorseeatingmonster' way, so stopped, since I was already
going very slowly.

Horse walked past warily with a very appreciative rider saying 'I dont
know why he's like this today, he's normally fine with bikes' to which I
replied it wasn't the bike he was eyeing with trepidation, it was my
pannier.

'Oh yes, I don't think he's seen a bike with those on before' came the
reply, along with much thanking for having realised horse wasn't
convinced and stopping.

I can well believe a horse would find a recumbent very spooky! Dogs
(the far side of fences) make me laugh though. If I'm walking, they're
fine. If I cycle past - even on the other side of the road, the
barking's amazing. I'm never sure that woofing back at them does much
to help the situation though - it might just encourage them to bark at
the next cyclist they see. Amuses me no end though!

(And yes, I know it'll be a completely different kettle of fish being
persued by a loose dog - one of the times when I can see the definite
advantage of NOT being on a recumbent!)

--

Velvet

in message <[email hidden]>, Succorso

('chris@_LEAVE_US_ALONE_SPAMMER_SCUM_ivy-house.net') said:

Drivers of motorised vehicles in rural areas follow one particular
rule, in my experience, pretty much 100%; and that is - they slow down
to a complete crawl (<5mph) when passing horses.

I would like to (humbly) suggest that us rural cyclists are just as
vulnerable as our equine friends,

But not nearly as dangerous - to car drivers. Fit land-mines to your
bike and watch them slow down.

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not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
-- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

Succorso vaguely muttered something like ...

Quoted message said:

Now that I think about it - I really don't understand why it's ok to go
steaming past a cyclist at motorway speed, but not a horse and rider.
Yes yes, the horse may be startled and do something rash - but hey, so
may I.

I think it has a lot to do with control.

A cyclist is [1] in complete control of his machine [2] .. a horse rider
might not be. If a cyclist gets startled he can do something positive about
it, if a horse gets startled, there's very little an average rider can do to
stop the horse running away.

Also .. If you look back at almost any of the road safety campaigns
regarding the overtaking of horse and rider, then you'd also note that it's
drummed into every driver to slow down and pass wide of a horse and rider.
The same can't be said where cyclists are concerned.

Drivers are conditioned to almost fear horses ....

[1] Ostensibly, all things being equal and normal .. 😉

[2] I'm assuming cycles themselves don't startle easily .. 😉

--
Paul ...

(8(|) Homer Rules !!!

"A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

Succorso said:

Out for a lovely 50k ride this morning (enjoyng a brief sunny interval
here in Norfolk), and after observing something up ahead, a question
popped into my head.

Drivers of motorised vehicles in rural areas follow one particular rule,
in my experience, pretty much 100%; and that is - they slow down to a
complete crawl (<5mph) when passing horses.

It's a truism that the "I Slow Down For Horses" bumper sticker actually
means "I Live In A Nice Place Where There Are Horses".

Succorso <chris@_LEAVE_US_ALONE_SPAMMER_SCUM_ivy-house.net> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Now that I think about it - I really don't understand why it's ok to go
steaming past a cyclist at motorway speed, but not a horse and rider.
Yes yes, the horse may be startled and do something rash - but hey, so
may I.

But while a bike and rider might leave a small dent and scratched
paintwork a ton of startled horse landing on top of a car could lead
to a very bad day indeed for the driver.
Iain

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:56:20 +0000, Succorso

chris@_LEAVE_US_ALONE_SPAMMER_SCUM_ivy-house.net said:

I would like to (humbly) suggest that us rural cyclists are just as
vulnerable as our equine friends, and should be offered the same courtesy.

Indeed. Like a horse I have iron-shod feet, and if another pillock
tries to overtake me on our local hump-backed blind-cornered
trafficlight-controlled railway bridge, I'm going to [censored] on his
bonnet !

Andy Dingley said:

Indeed. Like a horse I have iron-shod feet, and if another pillock
tries to overtake me on our local hump-backed blind-cornered
trafficlight-controlled railway bridge, I'm going to [censored] on his
bonnet !

If you can produce a pile as large as the average horse, I take my hat
off to you ;-)

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Still, in the UK you're one step ahead of the continent towards equal
rights for horses and cyclists; I understand you don't eat horse meat.

I will if it's put in front of me. Yum.

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Zog The Undeniable said:

Andy Dingley said:

Indeed. Like a horse I have iron-shod feet, and if another pillock
tries to overtake me on our local hump-backed blind-cornered
trafficlight-controlled railway bridge, I'm going to [censored] on his
bonnet !

If you can produce a pile as large as the average horse, I take my hat
off to you ;-)

If I get another bloody Merc blingwagon _that_ close to my back wheel
on that bridge again, I can assure you I'll have no trouble
performing!

(iarocu) said:

a ton of startled horse landing on top of a car could lead
to a very bad day indeed for the driver.

Much as I'm fond of horses, that is _such_ a lovely image.

Somewhere on the Volvo website used to be a video clip of them
crash-testing Volvos against dummy moose. A moose is a ton of
mooseflesh exactly at windscreen height, supported by four tiny
sticks. If you hit one in anything other than a Saab or Volvo you're
basically dead, because they're just that bit taller than the crumple
zones on most other cars not designed specifically for moose-plowing.

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Smert' spamionam