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  1. "Sprgtime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Just suck it up for 2 weeks. You can do it.

    Or...don't suck it up?

    --
    No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

  2. "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days.
    I
    am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints
    a
    day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's
    only
    been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for
    three
    out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three
    weeks -
    for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
    recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
    daily!

    So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five
    cups
    per day.

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
    it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and
    not
    by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
    sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for
    dinner
    (with regular 14" Pizzas).

    So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
    grains
    & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
    increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
    only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which
    is
    not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Mark.

    If you actually do go on a low carb diet and cut alcohol from your diet, you
    won't lose weight immediately.

    Alcohol is a diuretic. That means it burns water weight from your body.
    Eventually you will lose the water weight. Ever notice that when you drink
    alcohol you pee a lot more and feel bad (hangover) the next day? All that
    is is dehyration.

    Cut the carbs and the alcohol. It will take time for your system to adjust,
    but it will do just that. You can add the alcohol later when your body
    acclimates to your new lifestyle.

  3. keelie said:
    DJ Delorie said:
    Quoted message said:

    Chilli Concarne

    "Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed.

    Con carne means 'with meat'.

    and "carne" is the word stem for "carnival", which is known by everybody who has
    read the important works of Lemony Snicket.

  4. ..
    : >
    : > Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school
    : > cafeteria.
    :
    :
    : Same here both at school and at the cafeteria of the nursing home
    : I worked in a few years back Chilli Con Carne was chilli over rice.
    :
    : So your not alone
    : Angie

    Oh, y'all are making me ill! I can't even imagine putting chili over rice,
    much less eating such a concoction. Where are you writing from? Ohio?

    Pat in TX
    :
    :

  5. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    .
    : >
    : > Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school
    : > cafeteria.
    :
    :
    : Same here both at school and at the cafeteria of the nursing home
    : I worked in a few years back Chilli Con Carne was chilli over rice.
    :
    : So your not alone
    : Angie

    Oh, y'all are making me ill! I can't even imagine putting chili over rice,
    much less eating such a concoction. Where are you writing from? Ohio?

    Pat in TX
    :

    LOL close I grew up in PA. I never understood the whole rice with Chili
    thing.
    but then I'm not that big on rice.

    Angie

  6. It would have been easy for any of us "low carbers" to post the rules of
    induction, but I think that part of your new lifestyle is ***making an
    effort to change*** and that would be to read the Atkins New Revolution book
    yourself. The whole plan can also be found at www.atkins.com, but get the
    book and read it till it sinks in.
    --
    Diane

    "diane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction rules
    again🙂

    --
    Diane

    "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few
    days. I
    am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints
    a
    day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's
    only
    been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for
    three
    out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three
    weeks -
    for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
    recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
    daily!

    So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms.
    Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb
    Penne
    Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five
    cups
    per day.

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
    it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and
    not
    by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
    sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for
    dinner
    (with regular 14" Pizzas).

    So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
    grains
    & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
    increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
    only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which
    is
    not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Mark.

  7. Mark & Ana Jones said:


    I'm very frustrated.

    Extreme success with tiny effort, and you're frustrated.
    Sigh. Many newbies have unrealistic expectations and
    sure enough so do you.

    Quoted message said:

    Been on induction

    Actually looking at your menu you have not been on
    Induction for even a single day. Induction is something
    specific and you don't show any sign that you've read
    the book to know what Induction actually is.

    Quoted message said:

    for three weeks and only lost 7 pounds

    Please explain to me how losing that much counts as
    only. Be sure to reference the fact that the ideal
    rate to keep it off is 1 per week and you lost at twice
    that. Please reference the fact that the time scale
    for loss is month to month so a single week has no
    meaning. Be sure to use small words because I can be
    quite dense when it comes to people so successfull
    denying the reality of their own success.

    Quoted message said:

    which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days.

    Go do that then. Seriously.

    Quoted message said:

    I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    Twice the ideal rate is not negligible.

    Quoted message said:

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil

    Several others have done over your menu in detail. It
    has so many diversions from what Induction actually is
    that you appear to be either a troll or someone who
    wasn't even aware that Atkins is something specific
    based on a book that has detailed instructions.

    Quoted message said:

    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295


    lbs so

    Quoted message said:

    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?)


    ..

    A single week is utterly meaningless. Wrong time scale.

    Quoted message said:

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like


    it,

    Quoted message said:

    it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day


    plus

    Quoted message said:

    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    Some good stuff at least.

    Quoted message said:

    Any ideas please


    Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution. Editions 2002, 1999, 1993 or 1972.

  8. On 25 Jan 2005 12:55:39 -0500 in alt.support.diet.low-carb, DJ Delorie
    <[email hidden]> wrote,

    Quoted message said:


    keelie said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed.

    Con carne means 'with meat'.

    Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school
    cafeteria.

    Did they also tell you that "carnivore" means "rice eater"?

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    low-carb diet....

    Here is a video clip that aired recently on CBS news:

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    Happy reading!

    N.

  10. Nutra said:

    Have you heard of Prycena?

    no, but i've heard of spam.

  11. yes calcium helps but Prycena ingredients are milk products and sugar-
    cheese- good old cheese is a whole lot more fun to eat and less carbs- this
    pill has carbs.

    pill is very expensive also -not needed

    --
    The key to success is knowing your limits
    "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Nutra said:

    Have you heard of Prycena?

    no, but i've heard of spam.

  12. Pardon me if this was answered already (I did not see it) but there are plenty
    of things on your mealplan that are not allowed on induction:
    - alcohol (period, not allowed at induction time)
    - low carb pasta
    - 2 rashers of bacon? Forgive me if I'm wrong but that sounds like a lot "The
    term rasher can be confusing. It can mean a single strip of bacon, or
    it can mean three or four strips of bacon, especially when it appears on a
    restaurant menu." (which means a lot of calories and extra sodium = water
    weight, and regardless of what Atkins says, calories do count)
    -ketchup (regular ketchup? That has sugar and corn syrup in it- totally not
    allowed)
    -Philadelphia Light (why light? regular cream cheese has less carbs than light
    if I recall)
    - kidney beans (are you following Atkins? This totally isn't allowed!)
    -potatoes (!!! you've got to be kidding me. Did you even read the book?)

    There's NO way you've only been taking in 25g of carbs per day if you've been
    consuming these things. I suggest you try using the program Fitday.com (it's
    free) and enter in each and every thing you put in your mouth into this site.
    Measure. Make sure you're getting your green vegetables. And whatever you do,
    go buy DANDR ASAP!

    Quoted message said:


    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. I
    am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints a
    day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's only
    been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for three
    out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks -
    for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
    recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
    daily!

    So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups
    per day.

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