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  1. http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/11/17/38c7ebc4-3a19-47ab-
    851e-c005effd1a3b.lpf

    A LORRY driver involved in a fatal collision with a cyclist was using a
    handsfree mobile phone at the time of the crash, an inquest has heard.

    Librarian Mary Scott died from terrible injuries when her bicycle was
    struck by the lorry, sending her falling under the wheels.

    The 60-year-old, a library supervisor in Histon since 1996, was cycling
    near the Rose and Crown pub in the village when the crash happened.

    During the inquest, held at Shire Hall in Cambridge, a statement from
    Colin
    Smith was read. Mr Smith, from Cottenham, was cycling just ahead of the
    crash scene.

    He said: "I heard a loud bang and a thump behind me. A woman was
    screaming
    and when I turned around, I saw her being dragged along by the lorry.

    I waved at him to stop. I was shocked by what had happened, the woman
    had
    very bad injuries."

    The driver was 54-year-old Robert Field, of Methwold in Norfolk, who was
    behind the wheel of a Scania lorry.

    Pc Peter Bimson, collision investigator, told the inquest Mr Field was
    taking a call on his hands-free mobile phone when the collision took
    place.

    Pc Bimson said: "Mr Field failed to see the cyclist. The front, near
    side
    of the vehicle collided with the handlebars. As a result of the
    collision,
    the cyclist fell under the wheels.

    "It seems Mr Field's use of the hands-free mobile phone may have been a
    contributory factor in this collision."

    Mary Scott, of Bishop Way, Impington, died on June 12 this year at the
    Glebe Road and Impington Road crossroads.

    A post-mortem examination revealed the cause of death to be serious,
    multiple injuries.

    Dr Samuel Bass, deputy coroner, said she would have died "almost
    instantly". He returned a verdict of accidental death.

    A statement from the family, issued shortly after the crash, said: "Mary
    was a wonderful mother and granny. She is dearly missed by her two
    daughters, four grandchildren and everyone who knew her.

    "She lived life to the full and was well known in and around the Histon
    area.

    "She had many friends from her work in the libraries in the Cambridge
    area
    and her work in Addenbrooke's Hospital, where she helped out in the
    children's wards."

    17 November 2007

    --
    Tony

    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has
    taken place"
    George Bernard Shaw

  2. Tony Raven said:

    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/11/17/38c7ebc4-3a19-47ab-
    851e-c005effd1a3b.lpf

    A LORRY driver involved in a fatal collision with a cyclist was using a
    handsfree mobile phone at the time of the crash, an inquest has heard.

    Librarian Mary Scott died from terrible injuries when her bicycle was
    struck by the lorry, sending her falling under the wheels.

    The 60-year-old, a library supervisor in Histon since 1996, was cycling
    near the Rose and Crown pub in the village when the crash happened.

    During the inquest, held at Shire Hall in Cambridge, a statement from
    Colin
    Smith was read. Mr Smith, from Cottenham, was cycling just ahead of the
    crash scene.

    He said: "I heard a loud bang and a thump behind me. A woman was
    screaming
    and when I turned around, I saw her being dragged along by the lorry.

    I waved at him to stop. I was shocked by what had happened, the woman
    had
    very bad injuries."

    The driver was 54-year-old Robert Field, of Methwold in Norfolk, who was
    behind the wheel of a Scania lorry.

    Pc Peter Bimson, collision investigator, told the inquest Mr Field was
    taking a call on his hands-free mobile phone when the collision took
    place.

    Pc Bimson said: "Mr Field failed to see the cyclist. The front, near
    side
    of the vehicle collided with the handlebars. As a result of the
    collision,
    the cyclist fell under the wheels.

    "It seems Mr Field's use of the hands-free mobile phone may have been a
    contributory factor in this collision."

    Mary Scott, of Bishop Way, Impington, died on June 12 this year at the
    Glebe Road and Impington Road crossroads.

    A post-mortem examination revealed the cause of death to be serious,
    multiple injuries.

    Dr Samuel Bass, deputy coroner, said she would have died "almost
    instantly". He returned a verdict of accidental death.

    A statement from the family, issued shortly after the crash, said: "Mary
    was a wonderful mother and granny. She is dearly missed by her two
    daughters, four grandchildren and everyone who knew her.

    "She lived life to the full and was well known in and around the Histon
    area.

    "She had many friends from her work in the libraries in the Cambridge
    area
    and her work in Addenbrooke's Hospital, where she helped out in the
    children's wards."

    17 November 2007

    --
    Tony

    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has
    taken place"
    George Bernard Shaw

    Emma Foa's killer admitted being distracted and was fined £300.

    He carelessly turned into and killed a cyclist as he was driving his
    lorry.

    He's still driving around London.

  3. spindrift said:
    Tony Raven said:

    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/11/17/38c7ebc4-3a19-47ab-
    851e-c005effd1a3b.lpf

    Quoted message said:

    A LORRY driver involved in a fatal collision with a cyclist was using a
    handsfree mobile phone at the time of the crash, an inquest has heard.

    Quoted message said:

    Librarian Mary Scott died from terrible injuries when her bicycle was
    struck by the lorry, sending her falling under the wheels.

    Quoted message said:

    The 60-year-old, a library supervisor in Histon since 1996, was cycling
    near the Rose and Crown pub in the village when the crash happened.

    Quoted message said:

    During the inquest, held at Shire Hall in Cambridge, a statement from
    Colin
    Smith was read. Mr Smith, from Cottenham, was cycling just ahead of the
    crash scene.

    Quoted message said:

    He said: "I heard a loud bang and a thump behind me. A woman was
    screaming
    and when I turned around, I saw her being dragged along by the lorry.

    Quoted message said:

    I waved at him to stop. I was shocked by what had happened, the woman
    had
    very bad injuries."

    Quoted message said:

    The driver was 54-year-old Robert Field, of Methwold in Norfolk, who was
    behind the wheel of a Scania lorry.

    Quoted message said:

    Pc Peter Bimson, collision investigator, told the inquest Mr Field was
    taking a call on his hands-free mobile phone when the collision took
    place.

    Quoted message said:

    Pc Bimson said: "Mr Field failed to see the cyclist. The front, near
    side
    of the vehicle collided with the handlebars. As a result of the
    collision,
    the cyclist fell under the wheels.

    Quoted message said:

    "It seems Mr Field's use of the hands-free mobile phone may have been a
    contributory factor in this collision."

    Quoted message said:

    Mary Scott, of Bishop Way, Impington, died on June 12 this year at the
    Glebe Road and Impington Road crossroads.

    Quoted message said:

    A post-mortem examination revealed the cause of death to be serious,
    multiple injuries.

    Quoted message said:

    Dr Samuel Bass, deputy coroner, said she would have died "almost
    instantly". He returned a verdict of accidental death.

    Quoted message said:

    A statement from the family, issued shortly after the crash, said: "Mary
    was a wonderful mother and granny. She is dearly missed by her two
    daughters, four grandchildren and everyone who knew her.

    Quoted message said:

    "She lived life to the full and was well known in and around the Histon
    area.

    Quoted message said:

    "She had many friends from her work in the libraries in the Cambridge
    area
    and her work in Addenbrooke's Hospital, where she helped out in the
    children's wards."

    Quoted message said:

    17 November 2007

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Tony

    Quoted message said:

    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has
    taken place"
    George Bernard Shaw

    Emma Foa's killer admitted being distracted and was fined £300.

    He carelessly turned into and killed a cyclist as he was driving his
    lorry.

    He's still driving around London.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Gary Green's killer got a suspended sentence and 300 hours community
    service. He is still free to cycle around Cornwall.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7098383.stm

  4. Sir Jeremy said:
    spindrift said:

    On 19 Nov, 10:16, Tony Raven <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/11/17/38c7ebc4-3a19-47ab-
    851e-c005effd1a3b.lpf

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A LORRY driver involved in a fatal collision with a cyclist was using a
    handsfree mobile phone at the time of the crash, an inquest has heard.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Librarian Mary Scott died from terrible injuries when her bicycle was
    struck by the lorry, sending her falling under the wheels.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The 60-year-old, a library supervisor in Histon since 1996, was cycling
    near the Rose and Crown pub in the village when the crash happened.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    During the inquest, held at Shire Hall in Cambridge, a statement from
    Colin
    Smith was read. Mr Smith, from Cottenham, was cycling just ahead of the
    crash scene.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He said: "I heard a loud bang and a thump behind me. A woman was
    screaming
    and when I turned around, I saw her being dragged along by the lorry.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I waved at him to stop. I was shocked by what had happened, the woman
    had
    very bad injuries."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The driver was 54-year-old Robert Field, of Methwold in Norfolk, who was
    behind the wheel of a Scania lorry.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pc Peter Bimson, collision investigator, told the inquest Mr Field was
    taking a call on his hands-free mobile phone when the collision took
    place.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pc Bimson said: "Mr Field failed to see the cyclist. The front, near
    side
    of the vehicle collided with the handlebars. As a result of the
    collision,
    the cyclist fell under the wheels.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "It seems Mr Field's use of the hands-free mobile phone may have been a
    contributory factor in this collision."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mary Scott, of Bishop Way, Impington, died on June 12 this year at the
    Glebe Road and Impington Road crossroads.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A post-mortem examination revealed the cause of death to be serious,
    multiple injuries.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dr Samuel Bass, deputy coroner, said she would have died "almost
    instantly". He returned a verdict of accidental death.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A statement from the family, issued shortly after the crash, said: "Mary
    was a wonderful mother and granny. She is dearly missed by her two
    daughters, four grandchildren and everyone who knew her.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "She lived life to the full and was well known in and around the Histon
    area.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "She had many friends from her work in the libraries in the Cambridge
    area
    and her work in Addenbrooke's Hospital, where she helped out in the
    children's wards."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    17 November 2007

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    --
    Tony

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has
    taken place"
    George Bernard Shaw

    Quoted message said:

    Emma Foa's killer admitted being distracted and was fined £300.

    Quoted message said:

    He carelessly turned into and killed a cyclist as he was driving his
    lorry.

    Quoted message said:

    He's still driving around London.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Gary Green's killer got a suspended sentence and 300 hours community
    service. He is still free to cycle around Cornwall.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7098383.stm- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Did you get a response from Paul Smith Jeremy?

    You disappeared from the thread, how was your question about Smith's
    qualifications and dishonesty received?

  5. Sir Jeremy said:

    On 19 Nov, 12:31, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Emma Foa's killer admitted being distracted and was fined £300.

    He carelessly turned into and killed a cyclist as he was driving his
    lorry.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He's still driving around London.

    Quoted message said:

    Gary Green's killer got a suspended sentence and 300 hours community
    service. He is still free to cycle around Cornwall.

    Gary Green's killer had, as I understand it, serious learning
    difficulties. Do they let such people drive HGVs?

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

  6. Ekul Namsob said:
    Sir Jeremy said:

    On 19 Nov, 12:31, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Emma Foa's killer admitted being distracted and was fined £300.

    He carelessly turned into and killed a cyclist as he was driving his
    lorry.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He's still driving around London.

    Quoted message said:

    Gary Green's killer got a suspended sentence and 300 hours community
    service. He is still free to cycle around Cornwall.

    Gary Green's killer had, as I understand it, serious learning
    difficulties. Do they let such people drive HGVs?

    IME yes! :-(

  7. spindrift said:
    Sir Jeremy said:

    On 19 Nov, 12:31, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On 19 Nov, 10:16, Tony Raven <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/11/17/38c7ebc4-3a19-47ab-
    > 851e-c005effd1a3b.lpf

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > A LORRY driver involved in a fatal collision with a cyclist was using a
    > handsfree mobile phone at the time of the crash, an inquest has heard.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Librarian Mary Scott died from terrible injuries when her bicycle was
    > struck by the lorry, sending her falling under the wheels.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The 60-year-old, a library supervisor in Histon since 1996, was cycling
    > near the Rose and Crown pub in the village when the crash happened.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > During the inquest, held at Shire Hall in Cambridge, a statement from
    > Colin
    > Smith was read. Mr Smith, from Cottenham, was cycling just ahead of the
    > crash scene.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > He said: "I heard a loud bang and a thump behind me. A woman was
    > screaming
    > and when I turned around, I saw her being dragged along by the lorry..

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I waved at him to stop. I was shocked by what had happened, the woman
    > had
    > very bad injuries."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The driver was 54-year-old Robert Field, of Methwold in Norfolk, whowas
    > behind the wheel of a Scania lorry.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Pc Peter Bimson, collision investigator, told the inquest Mr Field was
    > taking a call on his hands-free mobile phone when the collision took
    > place.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Pc Bimson said: "Mr Field failed to see the cyclist. The front, near
    > side
    > of the vehicle collided with the handlebars. As a result of the
    > collision,
    > the cyclist fell under the wheels.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > "It seems Mr Field's use of the hands-free mobile phone may have been a
    > contributory factor in this collision."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Mary Scott, of Bishop Way, Impington, died on June 12 this year at the
    > Glebe Road and Impington Road crossroads.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > A post-mortem examination revealed the cause of death to be serious,
    > multiple injuries.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Dr Samuel Bass, deputy coroner, said she would have died "almost
    > instantly". He returned a verdict of accidental death.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > A statement from the family, issued shortly after the crash, said: "Mary
    > was a wonderful mother and granny. She is dearly missed by her two
    > daughters, four grandchildren and everyone who knew her.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > "She lived life to the full and was well known in and around the Histon
    > area.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > "She had many friends from her work in the libraries in the Cambridge
    > area
    > and her work in Addenbrooke's Hospital, where she helped out in the
    > children's wards."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > 17 November 2007

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > --
    > Tony

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that ithas
    > taken place"
    > George Bernard Shaw

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Emma Foa's killer admitted being distracted and was fined £300.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He carelessly turned into and killed a cyclist as he was driving his
    lorry.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He's still driving around London.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    Gary Green's killer got a suspended sentence and 300 hours community
    service. He is still free to cycle around Cornwall.

    Quoted message said:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7098383.stm-Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Did you get a response from Paul Smith Jeremy?

    You disappeared from the thread, how was your question about Smith's
    qualifications and dishonesty received?- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text

    I'm not about to insult the man by asking him irrelevant and offensive
    questions Spinny, I'll leave that to you

  8. Sir Jeremy said:
    spindrift said:

    On 19 Nov, 13:22, Sir Jeremy <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Did you get a response from Paul Smith Jeremy?

    You disappeared from the thread, how was your question about Smith's
    qualifications and dishonesty received?- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text

    I'm not about to insult the man by asking him irrelevant and offensive
    questions Spinny, I'll leave that to you

    If someone claims to be an expert in a field, as Mr Smith does, then
    asking that person what he qualifications he has is not irrelevant or
    offensive.

    If the man truly has relevant qualifications, then he will answer.
    Being a "computer engineer" does not make you a road safety expert.

  9. Smith makes absurdly self-important announcements about life-or-death
    road policies.

    He claims to be an "engineer" which would lend weight to his claims if
    true.

    Yet he refuses to discuss professional bodies he belongs to or exams
    passed.

    Your refusal to examine this speaks volumes for your open mindedness.
    I

  10. On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:46:40 GMT someone who may be Martin Dann
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    If someone claims to be an expert in a field, as Mr Smith does, then
    asking that person what he qualifications he has is not irrelevant or
    offensive.

    Indeed. An expert would be delighted to explain their training and
    relevant experience, as it adds to their standing.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  11. On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:53:20 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
    spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    He claims to be an "engineer" which would lend weight to his claims if
    true.

    At the very least that would depend on the branch of engineering he
    is/was involved in.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  12. Sir Jeremy said:

    On 19 Nov, 13:50, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Did you get a response from Paul Smith Jeremy?

    You disappeared from the thread, how was your question about Smith's
    qualifications and dishonesty received?- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not about to insult the man by asking him irrelevant and offensive
    questions Spinny, I'll leave that to you

    I can see no way in which an inquiry about Mr. Smith's qualifications
    could be either irrelevant or offensive.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

  13. On 19 Nov, 20:56, [email hidden] (Ekul

    Namsob) said:
    Sir Jeremy said:
    spindrift said:

    Did you get a response from Paul Smith Jeremy?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You disappeared from the thread, how was your question about Smith's
    qualifications and dishonesty received?- Hide quoted text -


    I'm not about to insult the man by asking him irrelevant and offensive
    questions Spinny, I'll leave that to you

    I can see no way in which an inquiry about Mr. Smith's qualifications
    could be either irrelevant or offensive.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

    And if his "ENGINEERING" experience is limited to computers, is it not
    rather dishonest to mention it with regard to road safety?

    The reality, as i suspect Sir Jeremy is beginning to realise, is that
    Paul Smith is a liar, a charlatan and a fraud. he is no more an
    engineer than Kylie Minogue and he has no formal qualifications in the
    field in which he probclaimes himself an "expert". His forum is 90%
    the postings of one family who pretend variously to be a copper, a
    surgeon, a vet, a lawyer and a solicitor depending on which forum
    they're trolling.

    Still, I wouldn't expect you to take my word for it Sir jeremy, so off
    you toddle to ask your questions and come back here when you get
    banned.

  14. In news:[email hidden],
    marc <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    Ekul Namsob wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gary Green's killer had, as I understand it, serious learning
    difficulties. Do they let such people drive HGVs?

    IME yes! :-(

    AFAIK it's mandatory for London bus drivers...

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of
    thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in
    high heels.

  15. "marc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ekul Namsob said:
    Sir Jeremy said:

    On 19 Nov, 12:31, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > Emma Foa's killer admitted being distracted and was fined £300.
    >
    > He carelessly turned into and killed a cyclist as he was driving his
    > lorry.

    Quoted message said:

    > He's still driving around London.

    Quoted message said:

    Gary Green's killer got a suspended sentence and 300 hours community
    service. He is still free to cycle around Cornwall.

    Gary Green's killer had, as I understand it, serious learning
    difficulties. Do they let such people drive HGVs?

    IME yes! :-(

    and then they go and post on uk.transport.

  16. On 19 Nov, 20:56, [email hidden] (Ekul

    Namsob) said:
    Sir Jeremy said:
    spindrift said:

    Did you get a response from Paul Smith Jeremy?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You disappeared from the thread, how was your question about Smith's
    qualifications and dishonesty received?- Hide quoted text -


    I'm not about to insult the man by asking him irrelevant and offensive
    questions Spinny, I'll leave that to you

    I can see no way in which an inquiry about Mr. Smith's qualifications
    could be either irrelevant or offensive.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

    Spinny has been banned from all sorts of forums for being offensive-
    its his hobby

  17. Sir Jeremy said:

    On 19 Nov, 20:56, [email hidden] (Ekul

    Namsob) said:
    Sir Jeremy said:

    On 19 Nov, 13:50, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Did you get a response from Paul Smith Jeremy?

    Quoted message said:

    > You disappeared from the thread, how was your question about Smith's
    > qualifications and dishonesty received?- Hide quoted text -
    I'm not about to insult the man by asking him irrelevant and offensive
    questions Spinny, I'll leave that to you

    I can see no way in which an inquiry about Mr. Smith's qualifications
    could be either irrelevant or offensive.

    Quoted message said:

    Spinny has been banned from all sorts of forums for being offensive-
    its his hobby

    That's as maybe. Now, please give evidence for your suggestion that an
    inquiry about Mr. Smith's qualifications could be either irrelevant or
    offensive.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

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