Just built a bike

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I just built a bike for a friend and I thought it would be fun to share
it:

http://www.arbitrary.org/Keld.jpg

It's built up from a mix of new and old components I had lying around
and stuff bought for the task. The idea is he will probably get a new
custom frame next year and transfer all the "good" parts over then when
he has more money available for the project, so we sort of used what
was at hand. Thus the sort of schizophrenic spec.

Leader 730-R frame
Pazzaz carbon fork w/ alloy steerer
Pazzaz headset
Pazzaz carbon seatpost
Supergo 6061 forged 13cm stem
Pro alloy spacers
Selle Italia Max Flite saddle
Centaur gruppo ww/ 175mm cranks 39-53
Ambrosio Evolution 36 hole eylet rims
DT straight 14 spokes
Veloce hubs
Veloce 10s 13-27 cassette
Ultegra chain
Ultegra front derailleur
Chinese 113mm BB
Michelin Pro2 Race 25 tires (actually 27mm)
Easton EC90 Equipe carbon bars
Pro bartape
Tacx Tao bottle cages

Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
I get to draft!

Nice job, Joseph! (But I do hope your friend has a flexible back.)

BTW, where to you live?

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Quoted message said:

Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
I get to draft!

Joseph

Looks great, no need to "upgrade" for a long time. Especially the rims,
Nice! The frame still looks 4cm smaller than would be appropriate for
the guy in the pic, but perhaps I'm just a traditionalist.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I just built a bike for a friend and I thought it would be fun to share
it:

http://www.arbitrary.org/Keld.jpg

It's built up from a mix of new and old components I had lying around
and stuff bought for the task. The idea is he will probably get a new
custom frame next year and transfer all the "good" parts over then when
he has more money available for the project, so we sort of used what
was at hand. Thus the sort of schizophrenic spec.

Leader 730-R frame
Pazzaz carbon fork w/ alloy steerer
Pazzaz headset
Pazzaz carbon seatpost
Supergo 6061 forged 13cm stem
Pro alloy spacers
Selle Italia Max Flite saddle
Centaur gruppo ww/ 175mm cranks 39-53
Ambrosio Evolution 36 hole eylet rims
DT straight 14 spokes
Veloce hubs
Veloce 10s 13-27 cassette
Ultegra chain
Ultegra front derailleur
Chinese 113mm BB
Michelin Pro2 Race 25 tires (actually 27mm)
Easton EC90 Equipe carbon bars
Pro bartape
Tacx Tao bottle cages

Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
I get to draft!

Nice job, Joseph! (But I do hope your friend has a flexible back.)

BTW, where to you live?

Norway. Nice riding and skiing. As long as the spring and fall aren't
too long. We had a great summer and the long days meant that I could
head out for 3 hour rides at 8pm and still have plenty of light at the
end.

Joseph

landotter said:

[email hidden] wrote:
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Quoted message said:

Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
I get to draft!

Joseph

Looks great, no need to "upgrade" for a long time. Especially the rims,
Nice! The frame still looks 4cm smaller than would be appropriate for
the guy in the pic, but perhaps I'm just a traditionalist.

I suspect the only thing he'll upgrade is the $5 BB that may well die
under his 260lbs. I'm also a little nervous about the seat-post. I'm
hoping that if it isn't up to the task it will give warning signs. The
frame was the best we could do with his budget. It's a 65cm c-t. I
couldn't find anything bigger, and he doesn't have the cash for a
custom right now. I agree it's too small. He's "only" 6'6" but his
inseam is 41". He has also super long arms so the saddle to bar drop
isn't so bad, but he could use more reach. I would have liked to give
him more spacers, but the steerer wasn't long enough for more. He
really needs a custom frame. But he's never had any bike that fit
properly, so he may not miss what he doesn't know. This one fits him
better than anything he's ever tried before.

The only problem with the build is the shift cable housings from the
bars to the frame are too short.

Joseph

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I just built a bike for a friend and I thought it would be fun to share
it:

http://www.arbitrary.org/Keld.jpg

It's built up from a mix of new and old components I had lying around
and stuff bought for the task. The idea is he will probably get a new
custom frame next year and transfer all the "good" parts over then when
he has more money available for the project, so we sort of used what
was at hand. Thus the sort of schizophrenic spec.

Leader 730-R frame
Pazzaz carbon fork w/ alloy steerer
Pazzaz headset
Pazzaz carbon seatpost
Supergo 6061 forged 13cm stem
Pro alloy spacers
Selle Italia Max Flite saddle
Centaur gruppo ww/ 175mm cranks 39-53
Ambrosio Evolution 36 hole eylet rims
DT straight 14 spokes
Veloce hubs
Veloce 10s 13-27 cassette
Ultegra chain
Ultegra front derailleur
Chinese 113mm BB
Michelin Pro2 Race 25 tires (actually 27mm)
Easton EC90 Equipe carbon bars
Pro bartape
Tacx Tao bottle cages

Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
I get to draft!

Nice job, Joseph! (But I do hope your friend has a flexible back.)

BTW, where to you live?

Norway. Nice riding and skiing. As long as the spring and fall aren't
too long. We had a great summer and the long days meant that I could
head out for 3 hour rides at 8pm and still have plenty of light at the
end.

Weird:

When i saw the picture of you with the bike I thought you looked just
like my friend Morten from Norway. Then, i scrooled down and see that
you are actually from Norway. there must be little genetic diversity
over there. people look the same.

Andres

Quoted message said:

Joseph

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I just built a bike for a friend and I thought it would be fun to share
it:

http://www.arbitrary.org/Keld.jpg

Joseph

Very nice, well done!

Life is Good!
Jeff

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I suspect the only thing he'll upgrade is the $5 BB that may well die
under his 260lbs. I'm also a little nervous about the seat-post. I'm
hoping that if it isn't up to the task it will give warning signs.

Ya... I don't think big guys should ride a light post like that... and
the people I know who've had posts fail didn't get a warning.

Quoted message said:

frame was the best we could do with his budget. It's a 65cm c-t. I
couldn't find anything bigger, and he doesn't have the cash for a
custom right now. I agree it's too small. He's "only" 6'6" but his
inseam is 41". He has also super long arms so the saddle to bar drop
isn't so bad, but he could use more reach.

I wonder if moving the seat farther back might work better...? Has he
been set up optimally in that respect?

Looks like you done good! What did you think of the quality of that
frame?

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landotter said:

[email hidden] wrote:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
I get to draft!

Joseph

Looks great, no need to "upgrade" for a long time. Especially the rims,
Nice! The frame still looks 4cm smaller than would be appropriate for
the guy in the pic, but perhaps I'm just a traditionalist.

I suspect the only thing he'll upgrade is the $5 BB that may well die
under his 260lbs. I'm also a little nervous about the seat-post.

Me too, I'd have gone for a beefy aluminum mtb model. What kind of
warning, if any, does carbon give anyway?

Might be worth it to install a traditional serviceable BB if the
cartridge one fails, in my limited experience--wholly subjective of
course, they're much more robust, perhaps due to the larger bearings.

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landotter said:

[email hidden] wrote:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
I get to draft!

Joseph

Looks great, no need to "upgrade" for a long time. Especially the rims,
Nice! The frame still looks 4cm smaller than would be appropriate for
the guy in the pic, but perhaps I'm just a traditionalist.

I suspect the only thing he'll upgrade is the $5 BB that may well die
under his 260lbs. I'm also a little nervous about the seat-post. I'm
hoping that if it isn't up to the task it will give warning signs. The
frame was the best we could do with his budget. It's a 65cm c-t. I
couldn't find anything bigger, and he doesn't have the cash for a
custom right now. I agree it's too small. He's "only" 6'6" but his
inseam is 41". He has also super long arms so the saddle to bar drop
isn't so bad, but he could use more reach. I would have liked to give
him more spacers, but the steerer wasn't long enough for more. He
really needs a custom frame. But he's never had any bike that fit
properly, so he may not miss what he doesn't know. This one fits him
better than anything he's ever tried before.

i'm tall, with a longish inseam, and i "should" ride a 66cm frame by
traditional standards, but i found that the bigger the frame gets, the
worse are problems with handling and shimmy. these days, i ride 62cm or
even 60cm comfortably. my favorite track frame is 59cm and my fat tire
commuter is 57cm.

bottom line, traditionalists may not like it, but long seat posts
[consider carbon too] are reliable since the advent of the mountain
bike, and better handling characteristics are well worth the "price". i
say your friend should stick with this size of solution, not listen to
the siren song of the "big custom" builders - and maybe he will now he
appreciates the better handling.

Quoted message said:

The only problem with the build is the shift cable housings from the
bars to the frame are too short.

Joseph

landotter said:

Quoted message said:

landotter said:

[email hidden] wrote:
[snip]
> Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
> small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
> I get to draft!
>
> Joseph
Looks great, no need to "upgrade" for a long time. Especially the rims,
Nice! The frame still looks 4cm smaller than would be appropriate for
the guy in the pic, but perhaps I'm just a traditionalist.

I suspect the only thing he'll upgrade is the $5 BB that may well die
under his 260lbs. I'm also a little nervous about the seat-post.

Me too, I'd have gone for a beefy aluminum mtb model. What kind of
warning, if any, does carbon give anyway?

Might be worth it to install a traditional serviceable BB if the
cartridge one fails, in my limited experience--wholly subjective of
course, they're much more robust, perhaps due to the larger bearings.

but sealed cartridge bb's like shimano use roller bearings, not balls.
rollers have a /much/ higher load bearing capacity, hence longer life.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just built a bike for a friend and I thought it would be fun to share
> it:
>
> http://www.arbitrary.org/Keld.jpg
>
> It's built up from a mix of new and old components I had lying around
> and stuff bought for the task. The idea is he will probably get a new
> custom frame next year and transfer all the "good" parts over then when
> he has more money available for the project, so we sort of used what
> was at hand. Thus the sort of schizophrenic spec.
>
> Leader 730-R frame
> Pazzaz carbon fork w/ alloy steerer
> Pazzaz headset
> Pazzaz carbon seatpost
> Supergo 6061 forged 13cm stem
> Pro alloy spacers
> Selle Italia Max Flite saddle
> Centaur gruppo ww/ 175mm cranks 39-53
> Ambrosio Evolution 36 hole eylet rims
> DT straight 14 spokes
> Veloce hubs
> Veloce 10s 13-27 cassette
> Ultegra chain
> Ultegra front derailleur
> Chinese 113mm BB
> Michelin Pro2 Race 25 tires (actually 27mm)
> Easton EC90 Equipe carbon bars
> Pro bartape
> Tacx Tao bottle cages
>
> Now that he has a "real" bike that almost fits him (instead of his too
> small department store hybrid), it's gonna be fun out on the road when
> I get to draft!
>
>

Nice job, Joseph! (But I do hope your friend has a flexible back.)

BTW, where to you live?

Norway. Nice riding and skiing. As long as the spring and fall aren't
too long. We had a great summer and the long days meant that I could
head out for 3 hour rides at 8pm and still have plenty of light at the
end.

Weird:

When i saw the picture of you with the bike I thought you looked just
like my friend Morten from Norway. Then, i scrooled down and see that
you are actually from Norway. there must be little genetic diversity
over there. people look the same.

Andres

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Joseph

It's a picture of my buddy who is from Denmark. I'm American of
Irish/Italian stock, But yes, lots of people look the same here. But
that is the way it is all over the world. I can often tell if someone
is for example German vs Dutch at a glance, and people more in tune
with other areas can probably tell the difference between people from
Vietnam vs Cambodia.

Joseph

Ron Ruff said:

Quoted message said:

I suspect the only thing he'll upgrade is the $5 BB that may well die
under his 260lbs. I'm also a little nervous about the seat-post. I'm
hoping that if it isn't up to the task it will give warning signs.

Ya... I don't think big guys should ride a light post like that... and
the people I know who've had posts fail didn't get a warning.

Quoted message said:

frame was the best we could do with his budget. It's a 65cm c-t. I
couldn't find anything bigger, and he doesn't have the cash for a
custom right now. I agree it's too small. He's "only" 6'6" but his
inseam is 41". He has also super long arms so the saddle to bar drop
isn't so bad, but he could use more reach.

I wonder if moving the seat farther back might work better...? Has he
been set up optimally in that respect?

The picture is pre-setup. The seat ended up getting moved back all the
way.

Quoted message said:

Looks like you done good! What did you think of the quality of that
frame?

I don't have that much experience with other inexpensive frames, so it
is hard to tell. But it seems pretty good. It doesn't look as cheap as
it was.

Joseph

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Ron Ruff said:

I wonder if moving the seat farther back might work better...? Has he
been set up optimally in that respect?

The picture is pre-setup. The seat ended up getting moved back all the
way.

I was thinking about a different post that has more setback. Some of
the Eastons have a lot... maybe others even more. Justing wondering if
that would give him better balance and help the reach at the same time.

Ron Ruff said:

Quoted message said:

Ron Ruff said:

I wonder if moving the seat farther back might work better...? Has he
been set up optimally in that respect?

The picture is pre-setup. The seat ended up getting moved back all the
way.

I was thinking about a different post that has more setback. Some of
the Eastons have a lot... maybe others even more. Justing wondering if
that would give him better balance and help the reach at the same time.

We got his knee about an inch behind the spindle, so I think his
balance will be ok. He could use more reach, but as he is used to a
too-small hybrid, this already feels very stretched out for him.

Joseph

jim beam said:

but sealed cartridge bb's like shimano use roller bearings, not balls.
rollers have a /much/ higher load bearing capacity, hence longer life.

They have zero thrust load capacity. Once the teeny weeny ball
bearings used to carry non-radial loads self-digest, you're in the
market for a new BB no matter how well the rollers have held up.

Chalo

Chalo said:

jim beam said:

but sealed cartridge bb's like shimano use roller bearings, not balls.
rollers have a /much/ higher load bearing capacity, hence longer life.

They have zero thrust load capacity. Once the teeny weeny ball
bearings used to carry non-radial loads self-digest, you're in the
market for a new BB no matter how well the rollers have held up.

Chalo

sure, and i've had that happen. but i've also discovered that it
/doesn't/ happen if the left side retainer is not over-tightened.

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It's a picture of my buddy who is from Denmark. I'm American of
Irish/Italian stock, But yes, lots of people look the same here. But
that is the way it is all over the world. I can often tell if someone
is for example German vs Dutch at a glance, and people more in tune
with other areas can probably tell the difference between people from
Vietnam vs Cambodia.

Funny you should mention that. I can spot a French man from across the
courtyard as a walk to the student center. It's the scruff and
cheekbones that give them away (not to mention fancy jeans, but that's a
different NG).

\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
..:change the f to ph to reply:.

Paul Hobson said:

Quoted message said:

It's a picture of my buddy who is from Denmark. I'm American of
Irish/Italian stock, But yes, lots of people look the same here. But
that is the way it is all over the world. I can often tell if someone
is for example German vs Dutch at a glance, and people more in tune
with other areas can probably tell the difference between people from
Vietnam vs Cambodia.

Funny you should mention that. I can spot a French man from across the
courtyard as a walk to the student center. It's the scruff and
cheekbones that give them away (not to mention fancy jeans, but that's a
different NG).

\\paul

Looking at the clothes is cheating! Observing accesories, shoes,
glasses, etc. are not allowed in the sport of nationality guessing. A
true connoisseur can deduce nationality by facial features and haircuts
alone!

Joseph