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  1. http://www.kingston.gov.uk/news.htm?id=37981
    Kingston sets cycling targets

    By 2011, Six per cent of all trips made by residents of the borough will be
    on a bicycle. This is one of the key targets of the Cycling Strategy, which
    was approved at a meeting of the Council's Executive on Tuesday 30 August
    2005.

    The strategy also sets targets for a reduction in casualty figures, the
    completion of strategic cycle networks and a 25% reduction in cycle thefts.

    The targets will be met through a variety of initiatives including the
    provision of more secure cycle parking facilities, particularly in Kingston
    Town Centre, and the upgrading of existing cycling facilities on main roads
    (rather than just quieter residential roads, as was the approach recommended
    by the previous policy).

    New cycle routes will be implemented, with a preference for making existing
    roads safe for shared use through traffic calming and reduction measures.
    Further efforts will also be made to ensure that cycling is fully integrated
    with public transport to facilitate cycle use as part of longer journeys.

    Councillor Tricia Bamford, Executive Member for Transportation and
    Sustainable Development at Kingston Council, says: "Cycling has the
    potential to be one of the most healthy and accessible forms of physical
    activity as it can so often be integrated into daily life. We already have
    excellent cycling facilities in the borough, comprising of approximately 80
    kilometres of signed routes.

    "Whilst the increase in the numbers of those cycling in the borough has been
    modest over recent years, the number of journeys made by bike has doubled to
    approximately 1,500 trips per 12 hour day. The aim of the new Cycling
    Strategy is to ensure cycling journeys are safe, secure, convenient and
    attractive and encourage more people to get on their bikes!"

    The Executive also:

    a.. Approved a new Rent Income Recovery Strategy developed by Housing
    Services, aimed at maximising the Council's rent collection and minimising
    the level of rent arrears
    b.. Agreed that the Council should work alongside Kingston's MPs, MEPs and
    the Local Government Association to apply pressure on central government to
    introduce measures to curb the use of disposable products and unnecessary
    packaging
    c.. Heard an update on Kingston Theatre, following consideration of a
    report into the funding of the project by the Community Leadership and
    Resources Overview Panel.

    A full copy of the Agenda and Minutes can be viewed at:
    www.kingston.gov.uk/committeeminutes

  2. "elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The targets will be met through a variety of initiatives including the
    provision of more secure cycle parking facilities, particularly in
    Kingston Town Centre, and the upgrading of existing cycling facilities on
    main roads (rather than just quieter residential roads, as was the
    approach recommended by the previous policy).

    More white paint jobbies??

    Quoted message said:


    New cycle routes will be implemented, with a preference for making
    existing roads safe for shared use through traffic calming and reduction
    measures. Further efforts will also be made to ensure that cycling is
    fully integrated with public transport to facilitate cycle use as part of
    longer journeys.

    Cue lane narrowing & introduction of pinch points?

    Sorry if I sound less than enthusiastic - it's just I'm suspicious of
    councils wanting to introduce 'facilities' and 'cycle routes' which can mean
    encouraging cyclists off the road where they have a right to be.

    Cheers, helen s

  3. "wafflycat" <waffles*$*A**T*v21net$*££*D*O*T*co*D£$£*O*T*uk> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cue lane narrowing & introduction of pinch points?

    Sorry if I sound less than enthusiastic - it's just I'm suspicious of
    councils wanting to introduce 'facilities' and 'cycle routes' which can
    mean encouraging cyclists off the road where they have a right to be.

    I know what you mean! However, Kingston is a positive borough in London and
    seem to have a good rápport with the local cycling campaign.

    "On 13 July, the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames was recognised by
    Transport for London as the "good going Borough of the Year". The award was
    presented in recognition of the Council's travel awareness work to promote
    sustainable transport over the last year. "

    http://www.kingston.gov.uk/transport_and_streets/goodgoing/good_going_award.htm

  4. On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:46:56 +0100, "wafflycat"

    waffles*$*A**T*v21net$*££*D*O*T*co*D£$£*O*T*uk said:

    "elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    New cycle routes will be implemented, with a preference for making
    existing roads safe for shared use through traffic calming and reduction
    measures. Further efforts will also be made to ensure that cycling is
    fully integrated with public transport to facilitate cycle use as part of
    longer journeys.

    Cue lane narrowing & introduction of pinch points?

    Sorry if I sound less than enthusiastic - it's just I'm suspicious of
    councils wanting to introduce 'facilities' and 'cycle routes' which can mean
    encouraging cyclists off the road where they have a right to be.

    Kingston area is already pretty choc full of cycle routes, I can't
    imagine more white paint doing anything unless it is on the main
    roads, and even these have quite a lot of white paint on them, I took
    it to be more about getting them onto the main roads, not carrying on
    shuttling them on the back roads.

    Kingston Council does generally appear to be a pretty good one, it
    provides free wireless internet throughout the borough, it has an
    online petitioning scheme where you can simply raise issues:

    http://epetitions.kingston.gov.uk/list_petitions.asp

    They're certainly the best council I've ever seen, and it certainly
    appears that they listen to sensible recommendations.

    Jim.

  5. Jim Ley said:

    On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:46:56 +0100, "wafflycat"

    waffles*$*A**T*v21net$*££*D*O*T*co*D£$£*O*T*uk said:

    "elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    New cycle routes will be implemented, with a preference for making
    existing roads safe for shared use through traffic calming and reduction
    measures. Further efforts will also be made to ensure that cycling is
    fully integrated with public transport to facilitate cycle use as partof
    longer journeys.


    http://epetitions.kingston.gov.uk/list_petitions.asp

    They're certainly the best council I've ever seen, and it certainly
    appears that they listen to sensible recommendations.

    Jim.

    Can you spare a few councilors? We could certainly use them here.
    John Kane
    Kingston on Lake Ontario

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Ley

    Quoted message said:


    Kingston Council does generally appear to be a pretty good one, it
    provides free wireless internet throughout the borough,

    Eh? Where? I've not come across that anywhere.

    --
    Sara

    iChat: sarakirk (AIM)
    So, what are you going to do? Sucker me to death?

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.kingston.gov.uk/news.htm?id=37981
    Kingston sets cycling targets

    One of the daftest (and by daftest I mean most dangerous) things they
    have in Kingston for cyclists is the lights opposite Bentalls.

    There is a staggered crossing, the cycle path crosses the main road
    about 20' further on than the lights that stop the traffic and let the
    pedestrians cross.

    There are two problems here, first of all the lights for the cycle
    crossing are angled such that you cannot easily see which light is lit
    while waiting to cross, and secondly and more dangerously, there are no
    repeat lights facing the traffic on the main road.

    When the traffic on the main road is moving slowly, it will pass the
    lights on green, but will not be aware that by the time they reach the
    cycle crossing the lights have changed and are now green for cyclists.

    Very dodgy.

    --
    Sara

    iChat: sarakirk (AIM)
    So, what are you going to do? Sucker me to death?

  8. "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Ley

    Quoted message said:


    Kingston Council does generally appear to be a pretty good one, it
    provides free wireless internet throughout the borough,

    Eh? Where? I've not come across that anywhere.

    Surbiton High Street. Opposite the Bentalls Centre. In fact anywhere there
    is one of those rubbishy computer thingies.

    http://www.kingston.gov.uk/council_and_democracy/council/council_structure/chief_executive/strategic_services/ieg/informationpoints.htm

    iPlus .. apart from the fact that surbiton hasn't worked ever since their
    local router failed 6 months ago.

  9. "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.kingston.gov.uk/news.htm?id=37981
    Kingston sets cycling targets

    One of the daftest (and by daftest I mean most dangerous) things they
    have in Kingston for cyclists is the lights opposite Bentalls.

    There is a staggered crossing, the cycle path crosses the main road
    about 20' further on than the lights that stop the traffic and let the
    pedestrians cross.

    There are two problems here, first of all the lights for the cycle
    crossing are angled such that you cannot easily see which light is lit
    while waiting to cross, and secondly and more dangerously, there are no
    repeat lights facing the traffic on the main road.

    When the traffic on the main road is moving slowly, it will pass the
    lights on green, but will not be aware that by the time they reach the
    cycle crossing the lights have changed and are now green for cyclists.

    Very dodgy.

    I agree. I find the filter from Hampton to Kingston very tough. The cars do
    50mph over Kingston bridge.

    My main problem is peds aren't aware. Please don't jump backwards when you
    are halfway across the road.

    I may sound crazy, but I'd be keen to meet other cyclists in Kingston. I
    like to learn new places. It'd be good to hear from you Sara.

    Nick

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:

    "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Ley

    Quoted message said:


    Kingston Council does generally appear to be a pretty good one, it
    provides free wireless internet throughout the borough,

    Eh? Where? I've not come across that anywhere.

    Surbiton High Street. Opposite the Bentalls Centre. In fact anywhere there
    is one of those rubbishy computer thingies.

    http://www.kingston.gov.uk/council_and_democracy/council/council_structure/chi
    ef_executive/strategic_services/ieg/informationpoints.htm

    iPlus .. apart from the fact that surbiton hasn't worked ever since their
    local router failed 6 months ago.


    Oh those things! I didn't realise they acted as a hotspot. Mind you,
    anyone daft enough to pull out a laptop in the middle of a street in
    Kingston must be looking to get a replacement on insurance!

    I was rather hoping there was something useable that I'd missed 🙁

    --
    Sara

    iChat: sarakirk (AIM)
    So, what are you going to do? Sucker me to death?

  11. "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh those things! I didn't realise they acted as a hotspot. Mind you,
    anyone daft enough to pull out a laptop in the middle of a street in
    Kingston must be looking to get a replacement on insurance!

    I was rather hoping there was something useable that I'd missed 🙁

    Not at all. It gave a reason to sit in starbucks on one coffee for three
    hours! Free internet is still a good thing!

    Still, cycling around London at crazy hours is still the best buzz ...

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:


    I agree. I find the filter from Hampton to Kingston very tough. The cars do
    50mph over Kingston bridge.

    I stick to the segregated behind the big bumpy thing cycling over
    Kingston Bridge, and quite often get off and go over the zebra
    crossings at the roundabout. I'm a complete wuss!

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Sara

    iChat: sarakirk (AIM)
    So, what are you going to do? Sucker me to death?

  13. On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:39:01 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Eh? Where? I've not come across that anywhere.

    Surbiton High Street. Opposite the Bentalls Centre. In fact anywhere there
    is one of those rubbishy computer thingies.

    iPlus .. apart from the fact that surbiton hasn't worked ever since their
    local router failed 6 months ago.

    Er the one opposite me on Ewell road still works fine - although it
    doesn't make it through the walls into my flat, or into the pub next
    door - mine makes it to their garden though.

    Surbiton High Street has loads though, the Orange cafe (not called
    orange, but it looks orange) has paid wifi and last time I was there 4
    free ones that worked - I used to use that one for about 4 hours a day
    for a month. Most of the cafes have a free one that works.

    Jim.

  14. "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, elyob
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I agree. I find the filter from Hampton to Kingston very tough. The cars
    do
    50mph over Kingston bridge.

    I stick to the segregated behind the big bumpy thing cycling over
    Kingston Bridge, and quite often get off and go over the zebra
    crossings at the roundabout. I'm a complete wuss!

    Quoted message said:

    I raced the 285 today. I won by at least 15/20 minutes. I just enjoyed my
    cycle today. I race buses, yes. Saves me £1.20 a go.

    I must say that today, I soaked a t-shirt throughout. I went to Aldi. Their
    stuff was okay, but a bit rubbish.

    Maybe you'd like to go for a bike ride sometime Sara? Maybe on a Bread
    Pudding ride?

    Nick

  15. On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:45:53 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I may sound crazy, but I'd be keen to meet other cyclists in Kingston. I
    like to learn new places. It'd be good to hear from you Sara.

    What options are there for getting out and off into the country - the
    only option I seem to have found is Box Hill, Leith Hill and home,
    which can push 50 odd miles [1], but 20 of it still has little choice
    to be on pretty busy roads - do you know any options for better
    routes?

    Jim.

    [1] http://jibbering.com/mapping/BoxHill-LeithHill.1

  16. "Jim Ley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:39:01 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Eh? Where? I've not come across that anywhere.

    Surbiton High Street. Opposite the Bentalls Centre. In fact anywhere there
    is one of those rubbishy computer thingies.

    iPlus .. apart from the fact that surbiton hasn't worked ever since their
    local router failed 6 months ago.

    Er the one opposite me on Ewell road still works fine - although it
    doesn't make it through the walls into my flat, or into the pub next
    door - mine makes it to their garden though.

    Surbiton High Street has loads though, the Orange cafe (not called
    orange, but it looks orange) has paid wifi and last time I was there 4
    free ones that worked - I used to use that one for about 4 hours a day
    for a month. Most of the cafes have a free one that works.

    If it ain't Starbucks, it's the other!

    I used to run a free "meshuk" thing that ran up St James Rd, but it was a
    nightmare. Try and expand the network, they'd all start mentioning
    insurance. "Yes, your loft might catch alight." Running a computer full time
    in a loft is okay though. I have at least 3 I run 24/7.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:

    "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, elyob
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I agree. I find the filter from Hampton to Kingston very tough. The cars
    do
    50mph over Kingston bridge.

    I stick to the segregated behind the big bumpy thing cycling over
    Kingston Bridge, and quite often get off and go over the zebra
    crossings at the roundabout. I'm a complete wuss!

    Quoted message said:

    I raced the 285 today. I won by at least 15/20 minutes. I just enjoyed my
    cycle today. I race buses, yes. Saves me £1.20 a go.

    I must say that today, I soaked a t-shirt throughout. I went to Aldi. Their
    stuff was okay, but a bit rubbish.

    Maybe you'd like to go for a bike ride sometime Sara? Maybe on a Bread
    Pudding ride?


    What's one of them then? (not that I'm promising or anything!)

    --
    Sara

    iChat: sarakirk (AIM)
    So, what are you going to do? Sucker me to death?

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:

    "Jim Ley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:39:01 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Sara Kirk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > Eh? Where? I've not come across that anywhere.
    >

    Surbiton High Street. Opposite the Bentalls Centre. In fact anywhere there
    is one of those rubbishy computer thingies.

    iPlus .. apart from the fact that surbiton hasn't worked ever since their
    local router failed 6 months ago.

    Er the one opposite me on Ewell road still works fine - although it
    doesn't make it through the walls into my flat, or into the pub next
    door - mine makes it to their garden though.

    Surbiton High Street has loads though, the Orange cafe (not called
    orange, but it looks orange) has paid wifi and last time I was there 4
    free ones that worked - I used to use that one for about 4 hours a day
    for a month. Most of the cafes have a free one that works.

    If it ain't Starbucks, it's the other!

    I used to run a free "meshuk" thing that ran up St James Rd, but it was a
    nightmare. Try and expand the network, they'd all start mentioning
    insurance. "Yes, your loft might catch alight." Running a computer full time
    in a loft is okay though. I have at least 3 I run 24/7.


    Much more my language! I have a house full of the things.

    --
    Sara

    iChat: sarakirk (AIM)
    So, what are you going to do? Sucker me to death?

  19. "Jim Ley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:45:53 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I may sound crazy, but I'd be keen to meet other cyclists in Kingston. I
    like to learn new places. It'd be good to hear from you Sara.

    What options are there for getting out and off into the country - the
    only option I seem to have found is Box Hill, Leith Hill and home,
    which can push 50 odd miles [1], but 20 of it still has little choice
    to be on pretty busy roads - do you know any options for better
    routes?

    Jim.

    [1] http://jibbering.com/mapping/BoxHill-LeithHill.1

    Your link led me to to Exmouth. Maybe my computer is running a funny
    program?!

    Here's my Google maps thing ..

    http://fishpluschips.com/GPS/gpsmap.php

  20. On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 00:25:47 +0100, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [1] http://jibbering.com/mapping/BoxHill-LeithHill.1

    Your link led me to to Exmouth. Maybe my computer is running a funny
    program?!

    click the view cycle ride!

    Quoted message said:

    Here's my Google maps thing ..

    http://fishpluschips.com/GPS/gpsmap.php

    It just errors :-(

    you don't seem to have plot_waypoints_xsl defined anywhere....

    Should it just be plot_points_xsl ???

    Jim.

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