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  1. On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:35:57 GMT, Patrick Fitzsimmons, CFP, CRPC, ChFC

    Quoted message said:


    If it makes any difference, we'll also purchase 2 wall ovens (both will be
    conventional and convection), a microwave, and a warming drawer.

    Interested in any suggestions and rationale the group can provide.


    Here's the cooktop I have and it has suited my needs over the years (I
    entertain quite a bit and it has accomodated a growing family with
    changing tastes: 4 burners with an interchangeable griddle-grill combo
    in the center. My only complaint is that the manufacturer decided to
    configure it with 3 small burners and only one large - I would have
    preferred 2 & 2.
    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

  2. Christine Dabney said:
    Kate Dicey said:
    Quoted message said:

    I would love to have two ovens, though. It seems at holiday
    entertaining time, I need two ovens.

    I had two... Used them twice in 18 years, and I entertain quite a
    lot. 🙂 I also have only 4 burners...

    Now me...I would love the 6 burners, AND 2 ovens...and the grill.....
    AND, I would probably fill them up pretty often.....

    I can't tell you how many times I have really needed more than just 4
    burners, and another oven.....

    Christine

    Yeah, but Chris, you also want *two* refrigerators plus your freezer 🙂
    Overkill, even if you're hosting a cook-in! What are ice chests for? LOL

    Jill

  3. jmcquown said:

    Yeah, but Chris, you also want *two* refrigerators plus your freezer 🙂
    Overkill, even if you're hosting a cook-in! What are ice chests for? LOL

    Jill

    Well...I wouldn't use ice chests every day!! That would get old very
    fast.... Now the two fridges.... 😉

    Christine

  4. "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Christine Dabney said:
    Kate Dicey said:

    > I would love to have two ovens, though. It seems at holiday
    > entertaining time, I need two ovens.

    I had two... Used them twice in 18 years, and I entertain quite a
    lot. 🙂 I also have only 4 burners...

    Now me...I would love the 6 burners, AND 2 ovens...and the grill.....
    AND, I would probably fill them up pretty often.....

    I can't tell you how many times I have really needed more than just 4
    burners, and another oven.....

    Christine

    Yeah, but Chris, you also want *two* refrigerators plus your freezer 🙂
    Overkill, even if you're hosting a cook-in! What are ice chests for? LOL

    Jill

    Must be a Chris/Christine kinda need! This Chris (AKA Christine) has double
    ovens, two refrigerators (one in the garage), plus a freezer.

    Chris in Pearland, TX

  5. "Chris Marksberry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Christine Dabney said:

    On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:07:05 +0100, Kate Dicey
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >> I would love to have two ovens, though. It seems at holiday
    >> entertaining time, I need two ovens.
    >
    > I had two... Used them twice in 18 years, and I entertain quite a
    > lot. 🙂 I also have only 4 burners...

    Now me...I would love the 6 burners, AND 2 ovens...and the grill.....
    AND, I would probably fill them up pretty often.....

    I can't tell you how many times I have really needed more than just 4
    burners, and another oven.....

    Christine

    Yeah, but Chris, you also want *two* refrigerators plus your freezer 🙂
    Overkill, even if you're hosting a cook-in! What are ice chests for? LOL

    Jill

    Must be a Chris/Christine kinda need! This Chris (AKA Christine) has
    double
    ovens, two refrigerators (one in the garage), plus a freezer.

    Chris in Pearland, TX


    I have a big sub-zero,
    but I needed an extra refrigerator for extras like
    flours & grains
    spices and herbs
    cold beer & drinks
    nuts and seeds & dried fruit

    So far I haven't had the need for two ovens. But I wouldn't mind having
    another small freezer. DH won't hear of it.
    6 burners YES! Now that would be nice.
    Dee Dee

  6. "Chris Marksberry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Christine Dabney said:

    On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:07:05 +0100, Kate Dicey
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >> I would love to have two ovens, though. It seems at holiday
    >> entertaining time, I need two ovens.
    >
    > I had two... Used them twice in 18 years, and I entertain quite a
    > lot. 🙂 I also have only 4 burners...

    Now me...I would love the 6 burners, AND 2 ovens...and the grill.....
    AND, I would probably fill them up pretty often.....

    I can't tell you how many times I have really needed more than just 4
    burners, and another oven.....

    Christine

    Yeah, but Chris, you also want *two* refrigerators plus your freezer 🙂
    Overkill, even if you're hosting a cook-in! What are ice chests for? LOL

    Jill

    Must be a Chris/Christine kinda need! This Chris (AKA Christine) has
    double
    ovens, two refrigerators (one in the garage), plus a freezer.

    Chris in Pearland, TX
    ================

    <sniff> I miss my first double oven! It rocked! I haven't found another
    like it since. Of course, avocado green is a bit hard to find these days..
    LOL

    I do have the 2 fridges, 1 deep freeze (got rid of the second one b-4 we
    moved down), and 1 oven but have 2 of those 18 qt. Roasting ovens... so I
    guess I have 4! Oh wait, toaster 'oven' too, makes 5!! Woo-hoo.

    <giggle>

    --
    Syssi

  7. Syssi said:

    <sniff> I miss my first double oven! It rocked!


    I know what you mean.... when I was a teenager, one of our apartments
    had one of those big/little oven combos. It was very handy.
    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

  8. On Sun, 28 May 2006 16:47:07 -0700, sf <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Syssi said:

    <sniff> I miss my first double oven! It rocked!


    I know what you mean.... when I was a teenager, one of our apartments
    had one of those big/little oven combos. It was very handy.

    I had 5 places that I can remember right off the bat, that had double
    ovens. Believe me, they got used a LOT!!!

    Wish I could find them now.....

    Christine

  9. Christine Dabney said:
    sf said:

    I miss my first double oven! It rocked!
    I know what you mean.... when I was a teenager, one of our apartments
    had one of those big/little oven combos. It was very handy.

    I had one of those combos, with a smaller oven above the stove. I can
    understand a small oven, saves energy when cooking a small item, in
    fact I mostly used only the small oven... however for a lot less money
    one can buy pretty sophisticated countertop ovens these days.

    Quoted message said:

    I had 5 places that I can remember right off the bat, that had double
    ovens. Believe me, they got used a LOT!!!

    Unless one is running a cafeteria or roasting two 25lb turkeys for what
    does the average family use two full size ovens.

    I happen to have an extra stove at my disposal (in a rental house on my
    property that I don't rent), I always figure I have a second oven some
    100 feet away, another fridge too, it's a complete kitchen... but have
    I ever used it, nope... I can easily cook any meal for as many as 20
    (or more) with one oven... anyone who can't isn't much of a cook and
    should probably entertain at the local cafeteria anyway. Baking and
    caserole making should be done the day before, anything needs
    re-heating that's what you do while the oven is still hot and the main
    event is resting. Only a rank amatuer attempts to cook all thier
    dishes at the same time... you can always tell who can't cook, they
    have two ovens going and their kitchen looks like pigsty.

    Sheldon

  10. Sheldon said:
    Quoted message said:
    sf said:

    Christine Dabney wrote:
    I miss my first double oven! It rocked!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I know what you mean.... when I was a teenager, one of our apartments
    had one of those big/little oven combos. It was very handy.

    I had one of those combos, with a smaller oven above the stove. I can
    understand a small oven, saves energy when cooking a small item, in
    fact I mostly used only the small oven... however for a lot less money
    one can buy pretty sophisticated countertop ovens these days.

    It was during the pre-microwave era. The apartment was originally
    used by the owners, so that's why it had an upgraded oven/stovetop.
    The unit was countertop and above with regular cabinet space below.
    The two ovens were side by side above the cooktop, which had 4 burners
    in a row. The range was electric and pushed into the unit when you
    weren't using it (very handy for small spaces). Mom could roast a
    turkey in the big one and do pie/rolls in the little one on
    Thanksgiving (the little one got a lot of use). I wish I could
    remember the manufacturer!
    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

  11. Thanks to all the feedback from the group. I'll share your responses with
    my wife. I agree with the general consensus that we won't use more than 4
    burners but my wife thinks she'll need six once in a while and I've agreed
    not to argue about her decisions. But that doesn't mean I won't help her
    research. :-) One option is to put a small oven/range in the bar area in
    the basement that could serve as a backup if/when needed.

    Based on everything I've read, I suspect we'll end up going with 6 burners
    in the kitchen. Ventilation seems to be a big problem with indoor grills
    and we'd prefer to just not deal with that. We've lived for 17 years
    together without an indoor grill so we likely won't miss it. The built-in
    griddle is still a possibility but would probably replace two burners
    instead of being an addition to the six-burner setup.

    Also wanted to address various comments...

    --> Somebody commented on what we eat if we only cook a full dinner 3 times
    a week. The other nights are spent eating leftovers, dining with
    friends/family, going to a family restaurant, grilling on the deck, or
    possibly cooking several small "meals" if we can't all eat together for some
    reason.

    --> Our three oldest (11, 6, 3) are all boys so my suspicion is that my
    wife will be cooking bigger meals and cooking more often in the years to
    come.

    --> Somebody mentioned cooking with a wok. I've done a lot of travel in
    Asia and LOVE oriental food, especially Thai and Vietnamese. One of the
    reasons we picked our cooktop was that the burners flip upside down to allow
    for wok cooking on the cooktop. ALL the burners flip upside down, which
    seems silly, but fact that at least one could do that was certainly
    attractive to us.

    Thanks, again, for everybody's help!

    "Patrick Fitzsimmons, CFP, CRPC, ChFC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My wife and I are building a new home and are trying to plan our kitchen
    appliances. We haven't ordered cabinets, yet, nor do we have exact
    dimensions on the walls, so we can order any size appliances we want and
    have everything else built to suit. We agree on just about everything but
    are having trouble with our cooktop.

    We have four children - 11, 6, 3, and the 4th coming in July
    My wife cooks full dinners 2-3 times per week and we expect to entertain 8
    times a year
    I LOVE to grill but usually only the end of spring and early fall when
    it's not too hot or too cold

    The person we talked to today strongly recommended against a grill in the
    cooktop so we tentatively decided upon a 6-burner cooktop and we'll use an
    electric griddle or an after-market griddle that we simply place on top of
    2 of the burners. When I got back to my office, a friend of mine told me
    that she loves her grill and uses it more than her oven or her burners. I
    read some articles and the recommendation against the grill seems to be
    personal preference.

    We also contemplated the built-in griddle for two reasons. First, we like
    the temperature control of the built-in griddle versus trying to control
    the flame under the after-market griddle. Second, my wife likes the cover
    on the griddle because it's a convenient place for her to put cooking
    utensils when she's using the burners.

    Based on the limited info above, should we purchase:

    A) 4 burners and a griddle
    B) 4 burners and a grill
    C) 6 burners

    D) 6 burners and a grill
    E) 6 burners and a griddle
    F) 4 burners and a grill and a griddle

    A, B, and C are roughly the same price. D, E, and F are all roughly the
    same price but run about $800 more than ABC. We don't mind spending the
    money but want to make sure we'll use it. Since two of our three children
    are still small and the 4th isn't even born, yet, it's hard for us to
    imagine our needs for everyday cooking.

    If it makes any difference, we'll also purchase 2 wall ovens (both will be
    conventional and convection), a microwave, and a warming drawer.

    Interested in any suggestions and rationale the group can provide.

    Thanks!

  12. On Tue, 30 May 2006 03:20:20 GMT, Patrick Fitzsimmons, CFP, CRPC, ChFC

    Quoted message said:

    Based on everything I've read, I suspect we'll end up going with 6 burners
    in the kitchen. Ventilation seems to be a big problem with indoor grills
    and we'd prefer to just not deal with that. We've lived for 17 years
    together without an indoor grill so we likely won't miss it.

    If you're redoing your kitchen an upgraded vent hood won't be a big
    problem.

    --

    Ham and eggs.
    A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

  13. "> I LOVE to grill but usually only the end of spring and early fall when
    it's

    Quoted message said:

    The person we talked to today strongly recommended against a grill in the
    cooktop

    Patrick, I'm not going to advise for or against I'm just going to input
    some usually unknown info.
    My mother had a range with changeable elements in the cooktop. One of them
    was a grill so we could have great steaks in the winter and they were very
    good. Here comes the but, grease, everywhere. In spite of the manufacturers
    claims that the venting could take care of everything and it did take care
    of most of it we still had to wash down everything nearby with hot soapy
    water, including the floor. The vent filter had to go in the dishwasher.
    It was the only way to get hot enough water and strong enough soap to clean
    all the nooks and cranies.
    Forewarned is forearmed, good luck,
    AK

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