Knee problem - advice requested

shinypenny said:

Despite all my myriad injuries, knee problems were never one of them,
so I need advice.

Yesterday I did an hour long run on a flat trail. About 45 minutes
into the run, I started getting this sensation in my right hip, where
the leg bone joins the hip socket, a grating sensation of bone against
bone. I get this sometimes in my hips. I kept going, and this
sensation eventually went away, but I started having a problem with my
right knee. I debated about stopping but since it wasn't painful -
just annoying- I kept on. After my run, it was fine, so I forgot about
it.

Today I went for my run and my knee started bothering me right away.
I'm not in pain - I can run on it. It's more of a nagging, annoying,
bothersome feeling. A tightness that on the outside of my upper knee -
not sure if it's the knee itself, or the quad muscle? Or ITB? It
feels like there's a knot of muscle there.

I stopped twice to do some standing stretches, it seemed to help a
little. It bothered me more to run downhill or on the flat. Uphill it
seemed to go away.

Tomorrow is a planned day off. Any advice - I think I need to stretch
somehow, but I'm not sure what would be best.

jen

Let me massage it for you sweetie....

Sounds like some kind of inflammation. Give it a day or two of rest and
it will probably go as mysteriously as it came.

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Cheers, -- D

shinypenny said:

Despite all my myriad injuries, knee problems were never one of them,
so I need advice.

Yesterday I did an hour long run on a flat trail. About 45 minutes
into the run, I started getting this sensation in my right hip, where
the leg bone joins the hip socket, a grating sensation of bone against
bone. I get this sometimes in my hips. I kept going, and this
sensation eventually went away, but I started having a problem with my
right knee. I debated about stopping but since it wasn't painful -
just annoying- I kept on. After my run, it was fine, so I forgot about
it.

Today I went for my run and my knee started bothering me right away.
I'm not in pain - I can run on it. It's more of a nagging, annoying,
bothersome feeling. A tightness that on the outside of my upper knee -
not sure if it's the knee itself, or the quad muscle? Or ITB? It
feels like there's a knot of muscle there.

I stopped twice to do some standing stretches, it seemed to help a
little. It bothered me more to run downhill or on the flat. Uphill it
seemed to go away.

Tomorrow is a planned day off. Any advice - I think I need to stretch
somehow, but I'm not sure what would be best.

jen

--
Elflord

Elflord said:

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Cheers, -- D

That's unusual fore you, you usually are only concerned with mens
hips, or that general area anyways....

Elflord said:

Sounds like some kind of inflammation. Give it a day or two of rest and
it will probably go as mysteriously as it came.

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Hips just fine, and it's something I've had before, comes and goes. I
only mentioned it in case it might have something to do with the
knee.

Meanwhile, it's hours later and my knee is getting worse. It's very
stiff and objecting when I walk on it. Grrrr. Looks like I'll be
cozying up to some ice tonight.

jen

shinypenny said:

Meanwhile, it's hours later and my knee is getting worse. It's very
stiff and objecting when I walk on it. Grrrr. Looks like I'll be
cozying up to some ice tonight.

jen

Meant to add: it's not just above my knee, it's also below my knee
now. On the outside.

jen

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Elflord said:

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Cheers, -- D

That's unusual fore you, you usually are only concerned with mens
hips, or that general area anyways....

Um, I think ElfLord was talking to a WOMAN. Women or the ones WITHOUT
[censored], you [censored] [censored].

Yes, Billy, women DO come without [censored]. I swear they do. Even though I
hate them as much as you do, I've seen at least enough of them naked to
know.

--
http://tinyurl.com/zd6fy

The Loverly Vagina said:

Quoted message said:

Elflord said:

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Cheers, -- D

That's unusual fore you, you usually are only concerned with mens
hips, or that general area anyways....

Um, I think ElfLord was talking to a WOMAN. Women are the ones WITHOUT
[censored], you [censored] [censored].

Yes, Billy, women DO come without [censored]. I swear they do. Even though I
hate them as much as you do, I've seen at least enough of them naked to
know.

All of the women I've been with have had [censored]. What club do you pick
YOURS up in?

--
Bret Malone

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Elflord said:

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Cheers, -- D

That's unusual fore you, you usually are only concerned with mens
hips, or that general area anyways....

Is that a BAD thing? I didn't get the memo.
--
Bret Malone
"I like long walks on mountain trails, candlelight dinners, and being
on the bottom. I'm flexible, but not limber."
____________________________________

Bret Malone said:

Quoted message said:

Elflord said:

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Cheers, -- D

Quoted message said:

That's unusual fore you, you usually are only concerned with mens
hips, or that general area anyways....

Is that a BAD thing? I didn't get the memo.
--
Bret Malone
"I like long walks on mountain trails, candlelight dinners, and being
on the bottom. I'm flexible, but not limber."
____________________________________

You want me to kick your ass, don't you Brett?

Quoted message said:

Bret Malone said:

Quoted message said:

On Sep 17, 4:48 pm, Elflord <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Quoted message said:

> Cheers, -- D

Quoted message said:

That's unusual fore you, you usually are only concerned with mens
hips, or that general area anyways....

Is that a BAD thing? I didn't get the memo.
--
Bret Malone
"I like long walks on mountain trails, candlelight dinners, and being
on the bottom. I'm flexible, but not limber."
____________________________________

You want me to kick your ass, don't you Brett?

Only if you let me kick yours.
--
Bret Malone
"I like long walks on mountain trails, candlelight dinners, and being
on the bottom. I'm flexible, but not limber."
____________________________________

shinypenny said:

Despite all my myriad injuries, knee problems were never one of them,
so I need advice.

Yesterday I did an hour long run on a flat trail. About 45 minutes
into the run, I started getting this sensation in my right hip, where
the leg bone joins the hip socket, a grating sensation of bone against
bone. I get this sometimes in my hips. I kept going, and this
sensation eventually went away, but I started having a problem with my
right knee. I debated about stopping but since it wasn't painful -
just annoying- I kept on. After my run, it was fine, so I forgot about
it.

Today I went for my run and my knee started bothering me right away.
I'm not in pain - I can run on it. It's more of a nagging, annoying,
bothersome feeling. A tightness that on the outside of my upper knee -
not sure if it's the knee itself, or the quad muscle? Or ITB? It
feels like there's a knot of muscle there.

I stopped twice to do some standing stretches, it seemed to help a
little. It bothered me more to run downhill or on the flat. Uphill it
seemed to go away.

Tomorrow is a planned day off. Any advice - I think I need to stretch
somehow, but I'm not sure what would be best.

jen

Jen,

I have some knee pains from time to time myself and find that a couple
days off is the best thing. One problem you will encounter when you
try to run through the pain is that you are not running with your
normal stride, because you are favoring the injured leg. What that
will do is put more pressure on another part of your body, like your
hip or ankles because they are working harder and in a way they are
not used to.

Ice will help the inflammation for now, but rest will help you heal
and keep you from further injury.

Matt
http://www.recreationease.com

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shinypenny said:

Despite all my myriad injuries, knee problems were never one of them,
so I need advice.

Yesterday I did an hour long run on a flat trail. About 45 minutes
into the run, I started getting this sensation in my right hip, where
the leg bone joins the hip socket, a grating sensation of bone against
bone. I get this sometimes in my hips. I kept going, and this
sensation eventually went away, but I started having a problem with my
right knee. I debated about stopping but since it wasn't painful -
just annoying- I kept on. After my run, it was fine, so I forgot about
it.

Today I went for my run and my knee started bothering me right away.
I'm not in pain - I can run on it. It's more of a nagging, annoying,
bothersome feeling. A tightness that on the outside of my upper knee -
not sure if it's the knee itself, or the quad muscle? Or ITB? It
feels like there's a knot of muscle there.

I stopped twice to do some standing stretches, it seemed to help a
little. It bothered me more to run downhill or on the flat. Uphill it
seemed to go away.

Tomorrow is a planned day off. Any advice - I think I need to stretch
somehow, but I'm not sure what would be best.

jen

Let me massage it for you sweetie....

Aww. Look at that. That must be a real challenge for you, pretending you
want to massage a woman. Mr. Bill Davidson, you know damned well as soon
as you grab her leg and feel the smoothness, you'll get jealous of her
femininity, you're gonna want to punch her in the [censored] face.
--
http://tinyurl.com/zd6fy

The Loverly Vagina said:

Quoted message said:

shinypenny said:

Despite all my myriad injuries, knee problems were never one of them,
so I need advice.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yesterday I did an hour long run on a flat trail. About 45 minutes
into the run, I started getting this sensation in my right hip, where
the leg bone joins the hip socket, a grating sensation of bone against
bone. I get this sometimes in my hips. I kept going, and this
sensation eventually went away, but I started having a problem with my
right knee. I debated about stopping but since it wasn't painful -
just annoying- I kept on. After my run, it was fine, so I forgot about
it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Today I went for my run and my knee started bothering me right away.
I'm not in pain - I can run on it. It's more of a nagging, annoying,
bothersome feeling. A tightness that on the outside of my upper knee -
not sure if it's the knee itself, or the quad muscle? Or ITB? It
feels like there's a knot of muscle there.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I stopped twice to do some standing stretches, it seemed to help a
little. It bothered me more to run downhill or on the flat. Uphill it
seemed to go away.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tomorrow is a planned day off. Any advice - I think I need to stretch
somehow, but I'm not sure what would be best.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

jen

Quoted message said:

Let me massage it for you sweetie....

Aww. Look at that. That must be a real challenge for you, pretending you
want to massage a woman. Mr. Bill Davidson, you know damned well as soon
as you grab her leg and feel the smoothness, you'll get jealous of her
femininity, you're gonna want to punch her in the [censored] face.

WRONG! I'll saw her up into little pieces, and stew her in my crock
pot for 12 hours, then invite friends over for dinner.

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Elflord said:

Sounds like some kind of inflammation. Give it a day or two of rest
and
it will probably go as mysteriously as it came.

I'd be more concerned about your hip.

Hips just fine, and it's something I've had before, comes and goes. I
only mentioned it in case it might have something to do with the
knee.

Meanwhile, it's hours later and my knee is getting worse. It's very
stiff and objecting when I walk on it. Grrrr. Looks like I'll be
cozying up to some ice tonight.

I'm sure you know that your ITB goes from knee and up to your hip. ITB
problems, an assumnption but some food for thought, manifest themselves
on the outside of knee area and to a lesser degree high up on hip where
the band goes over the bump/knuckle. I forget the term for the bump.

Anyway it is a continous band and you may have irritated it in both
places. Like a know in your calf pulling on you achilles and both places
hurting.

I'd do some homework on ITB. I checkpointed
http://web.archive.org/web/20050329091128/http://www.csuchico.edu/phed/atc/Projects/ITband/ITBFS.html#SpecialT

as it has some good stuff. Take a read and see it the description fits
the problem. You can go wrong with ice.

Keep us posted.

-Doug

Doug Freese said:

I'm sure you know that your ITB goes from knee and up to your hip. ITB
problems, an assumnption but some food for thought, manifest themselves
on the outside of knee area and to a lesser degree high up on hip where
the band goes over the bump/knuckle. I forget the term for the bump.

I did know this - I just never pay much attention because it hasn't
been an issue for me before.

Quoted message said:

Anyway it is a continous band and you may have irritated it in both
places. Like a know in your calf pulling on you achilles and both places
hurting.

I'd do some homework on ITB. I checkpointedhttp://web.archive.org/web/20050329091128/http://www.csuchico.edu/phe...

as it has some good stuff. Take a read and see it the description fits
the problem. You can go wrong with ice.

Keep us posted.

Thanks for the link -that was very helpful! It's interesting that when
I stopped to stretch, I seemed to know instinctively to do the
standing stretch where you cross your legs and bend over. So it is the
ITB - it's tight. The knee is better today after icing it, but I still
need to stretch out the ITB and restore some flexibility.

I suspect this is originiating from my hip (not my feet - I just
switched to fresh shoes and I have been running on flat surfaces). My
hip is notorious for giving me trouble. I have been feeling "lopsided"
lately - like my left hip is higher than my right - which happens from
time to time.... I just seem to somehow get out of alignment.
Luckily, I know how to correct that with stretching.

The only thing is that the part of my hip that was hurting this time
wasn't the high hip. That has bugged me in the past though, just not
this time. It was more the low hip, right were the leg bone enters the
hip socket. That sensation is gone now so I'm not going to worry about
it.

I suspect this had less to do with running (I only ran 9 miles last
week and 10 the week before) and more to do with having to wear high
heels and sitting in an airplane seat last week... those two things
always screw up my alignment!! Argh...

jen

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I suspect this is originiating from my hip (not my feet - I just
switched to fresh shoes and I have been running on flat surfaces).

What means "fresh" shoes? Did you change shoe models and possibly move
to a shoe which exacerbates your probem?

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and more to do with having to wear high heels

Agree, high heels are terrible foot wear.

Doug Freese said:

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I suspect this is originiating from my hip (not my feet - I just
switched to fresh shoes and I have been running on flat surfaces).

What means "fresh" shoes? Did you change shoe models and possibly move
to a shoe which exacerbates your probem?

No, same model I've been running in since January, just a new (fresh)
pair.

jen

shinypenny said:

Doug Freese said:

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I suspect this is originiating from my hip (not my feet - I just
switched to fresh shoes and I have been running on flat surfaces).

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What means "fresh" shoes? Did you change shoe models and possibly move
to a shoe which exacerbates your probem?

No, same model I've been running in since January, just a new (fresh)
pair.

jen

I stand corrected - it DOES seem to be the new shoes! It's the same
model, but I ordered online, so maybe it has a manufacturing defect.
All I know is, on today's run, I realized that there's something weird
going on... the right shoe seems to have more padding under the outer
edge of the ball of my foot, so when I land, my foot is forced to roll
outward.

jen

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I stand corrected - it DOES seem to be the new shoes! It's the same
model, but I ordered online, so maybe it has a manufacturing defect.
All I know is, on today's run, I realized that there's something weird
going on... the right shoe seems to have more padding under the outer
edge of the ball of my foot, so when I land, my foot is forced to roll
outward.

Ouch, now that sucks!

-Doug