Kona coffee, a la Smithfarms

Nancy Young said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will make
the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

I love their very haimish website with the kitties and the chameleons...thanks for the input, I've
wanted to order from them for awhiles now and will do so....

--
Best Greg

Nancy Young said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will make
the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

nancy

Theirs is the best.

Boron

"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will make
the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

nancy

I like Kona as well. I think it ranks right up there with Jamaican Blue and like. Incidentally, I
sell coffee and always take mine home ground rather than grinding it at home. Why? Because the
commercial burr grinders we have at the store produces a more uniform and flavorful grind than my
home machines. Since a lb. of coffee only lasts less than a week at our house, it's always fresh
enough. No need to imagine people cringing.

Fred The Good Gourmet thegoodgourmet.comthegoodgourmet.comOpen ↗

Nancy Young <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will make
the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

nancy

Thanks for letting us know this is an rfc'er. Kona is all I wil drink, and now I have a new source
to try. 🙂

-L.

Hark! I heard "Gregory Morrow" <[email hidden]> say:

Quoted message said:

Nancy Young said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will
make the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

I love their very haimish website with the kitties and the chameleons...thanks for the input, I've
wanted to order from them for awhiles now and will do so....

Yes, it's nice to get an unsolicited opinion from someone you can trust, even if she won't eat grape
jelly on meatballs...

j.j., who's trying Sheryl's recipe on some friends tonight <eg

Fred said:

"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will make
the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

nancy

I like Kona as well. I think it ranks right up there with Jamaican Blue and like. Incidentally, I
sell coffee and always take mine home ground rather than grinding it at home. Why? Because the
commercial burr grinders we have at the store produces a more uniform and flavorful grind than my
home machines. Since a lb. of coffee only lasts less than a week at our house, it's always fresh
enough. No need to imagine people cringing.

Fred The Good Gourmet thegoodgourmet.comthegoodgourmet.comOpen ↗

The consensus on alt.coffee is that JBM is vastly over rated (I agree. I first had it in the early
80's. Much ado about nothing). I think most would prefer Kona or a lot of other beans to JBM.

jim

(-L.) said:

Nancy Young <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will make
the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

nancy

Thanks for letting us know this is an rfc'er. Kona is all I wil drink, and now I have a new source
to try. 🙂

-L.

Thank you Nancy and Boron for your really kind words! We sure appreciate it!!

Just for the record, too, when one says Jamaica BLue Mountain, you are referring to the national
processing plant. JBM can come from different estates such as Wallenford and Mavis Bank etc and
those are considered the real premium JBMs. Very expensive indeed.

BTW I had to look up the word "haimish"🙂 Thanks for the compliment! We are just farmers.

Wishing you a great day!

with aloha from still dark Kona, Thunder smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗ Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona
Coffee & other Great Stuff

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[email hidden] wrote on 1/10/04 1:24 PM:

Quoted message said:

Yes, it's nice to get an unsolicited opinion from someone you can trust, even if she won't eat
grape jelly on meatballs...

j.j., who's trying Sheryl's recipe on some friends tonight <eg>

LOL! It's actually my Mom's recipe. I defer all credit to Mom. (and blame, too)

LOL Enjoy!

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:51:06 -0800, JimLane <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Fred said:

"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I ordered some coffee from our fellow rfc'er. It was a present. Well, I don't drink coffee, but
decided to try a half a cup just to see. AWESOME. And I ordered it ground, which I know will make
the purists cringe.

Terrific cup of coffee, I was quite pleased. And no, I do not sell coffee, I have no financial
interest in Smithfarms. smithfarms.comsmithfarms.comOpen ↗

nancy

I like Kona as well. I think it ranks right up there with Jamaican Blue and like. Incidentally, I
sell coffee and always take mine home ground rather than grinding it at home. Why? Because the
commercial burr grinders we have at the store produces a more uniform and flavorful grind than my
home machines. Since a lb. of coffee only lasts less than a week at our house, it's always fresh
enough. No need to imagine people cringing.

Fred The Good Gourmet thegoodgourmet.comthegoodgourmet.comOpen ↗

The consensus on alt.coffee is that JBM is vastly over rated (I agree. I first had it in the early
80's. Much ado about nothing). I think most would prefer Kona or a lot of other beans to JBM.

I have had JBM several times & never been impressed. I have found it had a sourness that I am not
fond of in coffee.

One of the most sensual aspects of Kona, OTOH, is its deep and complex, yet smooth as silk flavor.

Boron

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Fred said:

I like Kona as well. I think it ranks right up there with Jamaican Blue and like. Incidentally, I
sell coffee and always take mine home ground rather than grinding it at home. Why? Because the
commercial burr grinders we have at the store produces a more uniform and flavorful grind than my
home machines. Since a lb. of coffee only lasts less than a week at our house, it's always fresh
enough. No need to imagine people cringing.

Unless you're making espresso, only blade grinders or the worst of burr grinders will have a
significantly worse quality grind compared to a commercial grinder. My Solis Maestro makes a quite
uniform grind for my vac pot.

Considering that ground coffee stales in less than a day, you're losing FAR more than you're gaining
by grinding at the store.

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Scott said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Fred"

Quoted message said:

I like Kona as well. I think it ranks right up there with Jamaican Blue and like. Incidentally,
I sell coffee and always take mine home ground rather than grinding it at home. Why? Because
the commercial burr grinders we have at the store produces a more uniform and flavorful grind
than my home machines. Since a lb. of coffee only lasts less than a week at our house, it's
always fresh enough. No need to imagine people cringing.

I agree!

Quoted message said:

Unless you're making espresso, only blade grinders or the worst of burr grinders will have a
significantly worse quality grind compared to a commercial grinder. My Solis Maestro makes a
quite uniform grind for my vac pot.

Considering that ground coffee stales in less than a day, you're losing FAR more than you're
gaining by grinding at the store.

Baloney. Coffee isn't caviar and it can sit for up to a week without losing quality if you begin
with quality beans. One of my family members works for Peets, so I get any coffee I want for free on
a weekly basis (and I want it pre-ground). News flash: The good stuff doesn't degrade overnight.

Kona is one of Peet's most expensive coffees - it's good - but it't not my favorite (and it's not
"fake" Kona either). I prefer African or Indonesian. It's a matter of taste. I like my coffee beans
strong, dark roasted & finely ground (expresso or Arabian). Kenya and Sulawawesi Kalosi are my
favorites to date.

Practice safe eating - always use condiments

sf wrote:

snip

Quoted message said:

Baloney. Coffee isn't caviar and it can sit for up to a week without losing quality if you begin
with quality beans. One of my family members works for Peets, so I get any coffee I want for free
on a weekly basis (and I want it pre-ground). News flash: The good stuff doesn't degrade
overnight.

Just because you cannot taste the falloff does not mean that no one else can tell the difference.
Why don't you take your silliness to alt.coffee and see how well it flies?

Bwahaaaahaaaaaaaaa!

jim

JimLane said:

sf wrote:

snip

Quoted message said:

Baloney. Coffee isn't caviar and it can sit for up to a week without losing quality if you begin
with quality beans. One of my family members works for Peets, so I get any coffee I want for
free on a weekly basis (and I want it pre-ground). News flash: The good stuff doesn't degrade
overnight.

Just because you cannot taste the falloff does not mean that no one else can tell the difference.
Why don't you take your silliness to alt.coffee and see how well it flies?

Uh, she happens to be correct. I've had and gave away three coffee grinders over the past years.
Why? I can't *stand* the annoying sound of the grinder first thing in the morning, fiddling with it,
cleaning it, it taking up counter space, etc. I've got better things to do with my time...it's just
another useless appliance IMNSHO.

I get my coffee from a non - chain store on my corner. They let me know when the freshest stuff
comes in (they roast all their own beans). I go through a pound about every week or so, and I let
them grind it. Then it resides in a zip loc bag in the freezer. Tastes just fine to me and my
guests...very little if any loss of taste. We aren't a bunch of professional tasters in Sao Paulo or
wherever who take a sip and then spit it out. We just like a nice cuppa Joe...

I like good coffee, but it *is* just coffee - I'm not going to be all anal to the nth degree about
it. As long as it's reasonably good, I'm happy. No reason to get all silly and snobbish about it.
I've got plenty of other things to be silly and snobbish about ;-)

Quoted message said:

Bwahaaaahaaaaaaaaa!

You wouldn't know the difference between good Kona and roasted goat turds, putz.

--
Best Greg

Gregory Morrow said:

They let me know when the freshest stuff comes in (they roast all their own beans). I go through
a pound about every week or so, and I let them grind it. Then it resides in a zip loc bag in the
freezer. Tastes just fine to me and my guests...very little if any loss of taste. We aren't a
bunch of professional tasters in Sao Paulo or wherever who take a sip and then spit it out. We
just like a nice cuppa Joe...

They must be letting you know when they roast, then, as green, unroasted beans can be stored for
ages...months or longer ...the clock starts ticking on "freshness" once it is roasted. And
professional tasters are all over the place. Even Manhattan has a bunch of them.

Quoted message said:

I like good coffee, but it *is* just coffee - I'm not going to be all anal to the nth degree about
it. As long as it's reasonably good, I'm happy. No reason to get all silly and snobbish about it.
I've got plenty of other things to be silly and snobbish about ;-)

This has nothing to do with snobbishness. Some folks like margarine, some like butter. Some can
drink Thunderbird and others prefer vintage. Some like to drive and are happy with a Geo Metro &
others need a BMW for contentment. There really are differences in qualities among such things. That
one person notices and is bothered by anything less than the best of something, means nothing more
nor less than that. Preference.

Really, of all places to talk about the desire for quality foods and beverages to be silly or anal,
this group surely isn't the place.

Boron

Boron Elgar said:

Gregory Morrow said:

They let me know
when the freshest stuff comes in (they roast all their own beans). I go through a pound about
every week or so, and I let them grind it. Then it resides in a zip loc bag in the freezer.
Tastes just fine to me and my guests...very little if any loss of taste. We aren't a bunch of
professional tasters in Sao Paulo or wherever who take a sip and then

spit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it out. We just like a nice cuppa Joe...

They must be letting you know when they roast, then, as green, unroasted beans can be stored for
ages...months or longer ...the clock starts ticking on "freshness" once it is roasted.

Yup, they have their own warehouse and do the roasting there. They used to do the roasting right
down at the corner - one of my fave smells (although not all agree).

And professional

Quoted message said:

tasters are all over the place. Even Manhattan has a bunch of them.

Quoted message said:

I like good coffee, but it *is* just coffee - I'm not going to be all

anal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to the nth degree about it. As long as it's reasonably good, I'm happy.

No

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

reason to get all silly and snobbish about it. I've got plenty of other things to be silly and
snobbish about ;-)

This has nothing to do with snobbishness. Some folks like margarine, some like butter. Some can
drink Thunderbird and others prefer vintage. Some like to drive and are happy with a Geo Metro &
others need a BMW for contentment. There really are differences in qualities among such things.
That one person notices and is bothered by anything less than the best of something, means nothing
more nor less than that. Preference.

Really, of all places to talk about the desire for quality foods and beverages to be silly or
anal, this group surely isn't the place.

I know this. I was simply responding to the other poster :-)

--
Best Greg likes butter, good wine, but doesn't drive....

In article <[email hidden]>,

sf said:

Baloney. Coffee isn't caviar and it can sit for up to a week without losing quality if you begin
with quality beans. One of my family members works for Peets, so I get any coffee I want for free
on a weekly basis (and I want it pre-ground). News flash: The good stuff doesn't degrade
overnight.

The quality of the beans is irrelevant. Roasted whole bean coffee can remain fine for a week or two,
properly stored, but once ground it stales very quickly. Freshness and bean quality are unrelated.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Gregory Morrow said:

Uh, she happens to be correct. I've had and gave away three coffee grinders over the past years.
Why? I can't *stand* the annoying sound of the grinder first thing in the morning, fiddling with
it, cleaning it, it taking up counter space, etc. I've got better things to do with my time...it's
just another useless appliance IMNSHO.

I get my coffee from a non - chain store on my corner. They let me know when the freshest stuff
comes in (they roast all their own beans). I go through a pound about every week or so, and I let
them grind it. Then it resides in a zip loc bag in the freezer. Tastes just fine to me and my
guests...very little if any loss of taste. We aren't a bunch of professional tasters in Sao Paulo
or wherever who take a sip and then spit it out. We just like a nice cuppa Joe...

Just because you do not have the palate to appreciate coffee quality doesn't mean that it's
all the same.

I suppose you're letting the coffee come to room temperature before opening the bag, so that
moisture doesn't condense on the coffee? Or are you putting it into individual serving-size bags so
that you don't have to re-freeze?

"Annoying sound of the grinder?" Only if it's a cheap, crappy grinder--sounds like you were using
those useless blade grinders. No wonder you didn't see a difference. My burr grinder is much quieter
than my microwave oven. No fiddling required, and only needs to be cleaned every few weeks.

Quoted message said:

I like good coffee, but it *is* just coffee - I'm not going to be all anal to the nth degree about
it. As long as it's reasonably good, I'm happy. No reason to get all silly and snobbish about it.
I've got plenty of other things to be silly and snobbish about ;-)

So what isn't "just..."? Anything can be reduced to "it's just...," so why bother discussing the
quality of anything?

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Gregory Morrow said:

JimLane said:

sf wrote:

snip

Quoted message said:

Baloney. Coffee isn't caviar and it can sit for up to a week without losing quality if you begin
with quality beans. One of my family members works for Peets, so I get any coffee I want for free
on a weekly basis (and I want it pre-ground). News flash: The good stuff doesn't degrade
overnight.

Just because you cannot taste the falloff does not mean that no one else can tell the difference.
Why don't you take your silliness to alt.coffee and see how well it flies?

Uh, she happens to be correct. I've had and gave away three coffee grinders over the past years.
Why? I can't *stand* the annoying sound of the grinder first thing in the morning, fiddling with
it, cleaning it, it taking up counter space, etc. I've got better things to do with my time...it's
just another useless appliance IMNSHO.

I get my coffee from a non - chain store on my corner. They let me know when the freshest stuff
comes in (they roast all their own beans). I go through a pound about every week or so, and I let
them grind it. Then it resides in a zip loc bag in the freezer. Tastes just fine to me and my
guests...very little if any loss of taste. We aren't a bunch of professional tasters in Sao Paulo
or wherever who take a sip and then spit it out. We just like a nice cuppa Joe...

I like good coffee, but it *is* just coffee - I'm not going to be all anal to the nth degree about
it. As long as it's reasonably good, I'm happy. No reason to get all silly and snobbish about it.
I've got plenty of other things to be silly and snobbish about ;-)

Quoted message said:

Bwahaaaahaaaaaaaaa!

You wouldn't know the difference between good Kona and roasted goat turds, putz.

As a matter of fact, I do. Do you, is the real question. Because you play at one level does not mean
others play at a more discriminating level. I can taste the fall off after 72 hours, but do not
object to the change. Oh yes, where did sf mention "freezing" the coffee? What was said is that "it
can sit for up to a week..." That is not frozen. Had sf said that, I would have not disagreed.

Have you passed reading and comprehension 101 yet?

jim

jim

Scott said:

"Annoying sound of the grinder?" Only if it's a cheap, crappy grinder--sounds like you were
using those useless blade grinders. No wonder you didn't see a difference. My burr grinder is
much quieter than my microwave oven. No fiddling required, and only needs to be cleaned every
few weeks.

Hum, my burr does a fine job but it is noisy, it wasn't cheap, and I assume it wasn't crappy because
I've now had it for over 6 years. However, I am so fond of the smell of fresh ground, I would fresh
grind even if the NSF said there was no difference between store and home-ground coffee. blacksalt