Ksyrium freehub drag

zencycle who? anonymously posts:

Quoted message said:

[...]
Please don't respond if your only comment is that this is what I get
for riding a ksyrium. I will respond in such instances with levels of
vitriol and hatred that will cause your computer to blush and have you
considering medication therapy.

Why not get a decent quality Shimano or Campagnolo 36-hole hub and build
it up with quality conventional spokes and rim?

Quoted message said:

Thank you, and have a nice day.

I will have whatever type of day I please.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"You have demonstrated to me that you are a piece of [censored] at
this point...you demonstrated what a scumbag you are...you
[censored]...You are a miserable creature." - Mr. Medara posting his
opinion of Mr. Sherman on rec.bicycles.tech.

zencycle said:

I know I'm going to get chastised by the opinionated elitist dorks in
this forum who think the only good wheel is hand built by an LBS for
this post, but I _do_ need some technical advice with regards to a
freehub dragging issue. this is not the typical freehub drag that you
see when you spin the wheel up in a workstand.

On a recent trip to the north georgia mountains, I was descending
hogpen gap and topping 50 mph, when the freehub on my 3 year old
ksyrium SL started making a lowpitched squeal similar to an out-of-toe
brake on the rim. I slowed enough so it was safe to look back, and the
freehub was dragging/binding to the point where the chain had dropped
in between the stay and the wheel, and the d�railleur had been forced
into max tension. For the duration of the ride, on high speed
descents, I was forced to ride the brakes and spin my 53x11. The
previous three days had no similar incidents, including descents of
Woody Gap, Wolfpen gap, Aska Road, and Brasstown Bald. I switched to
my older Vector Pro (Hugi 240 hub) for duration of the trip.

In the stand, there did not seem to be any play in the freehub or
wheel bearings. Spinning the 53x11 as fast as possible by hand could
not spin the wheel fast enough to elicit the failure, and notably
there was only a _slight_ amount of drag when letting the wheel spin
on its own after the crank stopped turning.

The noise seems to be a bearing that had enough play to break into an
oscillation. Of course, it may have been simply that the 80 mile ride
in the rain the day before had effectively removed all the lubrication
from the hub guts, and the high speed descent was forcing the bearing
to bind.

Has this occurred to others? Is it a MFG flaw? If it's excessive play,
can it be compensated for by increasing the side load or does the
design of the freehub prevent that? Will a simple rebuild and
repacking solve the problem? I don't have any hills locally that I can
sustain a 50 MPH descent for long enough to verify a repair, but if
this is an indication of an impending failure, would appreciate some
insight as to what steps can be taken to get prevent it.

Wheel - Ksyrium SL ~ 3000 miles
I weigh 140#
Heavy rain the day before the failure
Earlier the same day I descended wolfpen gap and brasstown bald with
no incidents.

Please don't respond if your only comment is that this is what I get
for riding a ksyrium. I will respond in such instances with levels of
vitriol and hatred that will cause your computer to blush and have you
considering medication therapy.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

best solution is to remove the freehub body and just clean everything
up. sometimes, the ratchet pawls shed some metal particles, and they
need to be cleaned out. reassemble with plenty of decent quality oil.
should be fine after that. if you find the pawls worn, replacements are
easy enough to buy - i bought some from peter chisholm.

removal requires a [6mm?] allen wrench. grip the axle lock nut with a
normal wrench, insert the allen and screw clockwise. when removed, the
freehub body can then be pulled off. take care about not losing any
pawls or springs!

zencycle said:

I know I'm going to get chastised by the opinionated elitist dorks in
this forum

Way to butter up your audience!

zencycle said:

On a recent trip to the north georgia mountains, I was descending
hogpen gap and topping 50 mph, when the freehub on my 3 year old
ksyrium SL started making a lowpitched squeal similar to an out-of-toe
brake on the rim. I slowed enough so it was safe to look back, and the
freehub was dragging/binding to the point where the chain had dropped
in between the stay and the wheel, and the dérailleur had been forced
into max tension.

Please don't respond if your only comment is that this is what I get
for riding a ksyrium. I will respond in such instances with levels of
vitriol and hatred that will cause your computer to blush and have you
considering medication therapy.

Well, that's what you get for riding a Ksyrium :-)

The inboard freehub bearing in the FTS-L design is a bush, not a
roller bearing, and they wear out pretty fast. Rogue Mechanic has an
article about this at
http://roguemechanic.typepad.com/roguemechanic/2006/05/how_does_a_mavi.html

The solution now is a replacement freehub, can be had for $53 online,
so you LBS should be able to supply and fit for about $100. The longer
term solution is to remove the freehub, clean and relube every month
to extend the time before your new one fails the same way. The
ultimate solution, as everybody knows, is to get a proper wheel.

If it's gone horribly wrong and worn a groove in the hub shell (the
bush rotates directly on the hubshell) you're essentially looking at a
new wheel anyway, so take the opportunity to upgrade to something
lighter, cheaper and more aero from a good wheelbuilder.

This friendly advice brought to you from a satisfied Mavic wheel
customer - they make some great ones, but the zicral spoked Ksyriums
aren't among them.

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary

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zencycle said:

I know I'm going to get chastised by the opinionated elitist dorks in
this forum who think the only good wheel is hand built by an LBS for

Excellen start. You can look forward to much free advice
and help achieving your goals.

Quoted message said:

this post, but I _do_ need some technical advice with regards to a
freehub dragging issue. this is not the typical freehub drag that you
see when you spin the wheel up in a workstand.

On a recent trip to the north georgia mountains, I was descending
hogpen gap and topping 50 mph, when the freehub on my 3 year old
ksyrium SL started making a lowpitched squeal similar to an out-of-toe
brake on the rim. I slowed enough so it was safe to look back, and the
freehub was dragging/binding to the point where the chain had dropped
in between the stay and the wheel, and the dérailleur had been forced
into max tension. For the duration of the ride, on high speed
descents, I was forced to ride the brakes and spin my 53x11. The
previous three days had no similar incidents, including descents of
Woody Gap, Wolfpen gap, Aska Road, and Brasstown Bald. I switched to
my older Vector Pro (Hugi 240 hub) for duration of the trip.

In the stand, there did not seem to be any play in the freehub or
wheel bearings. Spinning the 53x11 as fast as possible by hand could
not spin the wheel fast enough to elicit the failure, and notably
there was only a _slight_ amount of drag when letting the wheel spin
on its own after the crank stopped turning.

The noise seems to be a bearing that had enough play to break into an
oscillation. Of course, it may have been simply that the 80 mile ride
in the rain the day before had effectively removed all the lubrication
from the hub guts, and the high speed descent was forcing the bearing
to bind.

Has this occurred to others? Is it a MFG flaw? If it's excessive play,
can it be compensated for by increasing the side load or does the
design of the freehub prevent that? Will a simple rebuild and
repacking solve the problem? I don't have any hills locally that I can
sustain a 50 MPH descent for long enough to verify a repair, but if
this is an indication of an impending failure, would appreciate some
insight as to what steps can be taken to get prevent it.

Wheel - Ksyrium SL ~ 3000 miles
I weigh 140#
Heavy rain the day before the failure
Earlier the same day I descended wolfpen gap and brasstown bald with
no incidents.

Please don't respond if your only comment is that this is what I get
for riding a ksyrium. I will respond in such instances with levels of
vitriol and hatred that will cause your computer to blush and have you
considering medication therapy.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

--
Michael Press

Quoted message said:

Has this occurred to others? Is it a MFG flaw? If it's excessive play,
can it be compensated for by increasing the side load or does the
design of the freehub prevent that? Will a simple rebuild and
repacking solve the problem? I don't have any hills locally that I can
sustain a 50 MPH descent for long enough to verify a repair, but if
this is an indication of an impending failure, would appreciate some
insight as to what steps can be taken to get prevent it.

Quoted message said:

Wheel - Ksyrium SL ~ 3000 miles
I weigh 140#
Heavy rain the day before the failure
Earlier the same day I descended wolfpen gap and brasstown bald with
no incidents.

Quoted message said:

Please don't respond if your only comment is that this is what I get
for riding a ksyrium. I will respond in such instances with levels of
vitriol and hatred that will cause your computer to blush and have you
considering medication therapy.

I have no idea why you consider it necessary to insult people before they
respond to you. The effect is basically a "free pass" in that you've already
provided the response, so there's no harm, no foul in providing the
provocation. Weird.

The Ksyrium needs a LOT of maintenance. Thankfully, it's very easy to do.
Every couple months or so it's a good idea to pull off the cassette
mechanism, clean things up, and add some mineral oil. That's all there is to
it. That should have been covered in the instructions that come with the
wheel. If you don't take care of it, it will act precisely as yours did.
Unfortunately, once it acts like that, it may be too late for routine
maintenance, and you'll probably have to buy replacement parts because that
plastic bushing (a REALLY bad design for those who don't take good care of
things) gets damaged very easily.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"zencycle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
I know I'm going to get chastised by the opinionated elitist dorks in
this forum who think the only good wheel is hand built by an LBS for
this post, but I _do_ need some technical advice with regards to a
freehub dragging issue. this is not the typical freehub drag that you
see when you spin the wheel up in a workstand.

On a recent trip to the north georgia mountains, I was descending
hogpen gap and topping 50 mph, when the freehub on my 3 year old
ksyrium SL started making a lowpitched squeal similar to an out-of-toe
brake on the rim. I slowed enough so it was safe to look back, and the
freehub was dragging/binding to the point where the chain had dropped
in between the stay and the wheel, and the dérailleur had been forced
into max tension. For the duration of the ride, on high speed
descents, I was forced to ride the brakes and spin my 53x11. The
previous three days had no similar incidents, including descents of
Woody Gap, Wolfpen gap, Aska Road, and Brasstown Bald. I switched to
my older Vector Pro (Hugi 240 hub) for duration of the trip.

In the stand, there did not seem to be any play in the freehub or
wheel bearings. Spinning the 53x11 as fast as possible by hand could
not spin the wheel fast enough to elicit the failure, and notably
there was only a _slight_ amount of drag when letting the wheel spin
on its own after the crank stopped turning.

The noise seems to be a bearing that had enough play to break into an
oscillation. Of course, it may have been simply that the 80 mile ride
in the rain the day before had effectively removed all the lubrication
from the hub guts, and the high speed descent was forcing the bearing
to bind.

Has this occurred to others? Is it a MFG flaw? If it's excessive play,
can it be compensated for by increasing the side load or does the
design of the freehub prevent that? Will a simple rebuild and
repacking solve the problem? I don't have any hills locally that I can
sustain a 50 MPH descent for long enough to verify a repair, but if
this is an indication of an impending failure, would appreciate some
insight as to what steps can be taken to get prevent it.

Wheel - Ksyrium SL ~ 3000 miles
I weigh 140#
Heavy rain the day before the failure
Earlier the same day I descended wolfpen gap and brasstown bald with
no incidents.

Please don't respond if your only comment is that this is what I get
for riding a ksyrium. I will respond in such instances with levels of
vitriol and hatred that will cause your computer to blush and have you
considering medication therapy.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

I disassembled the hub last night. There was very little wear on the
freehub bushing, just a little dirt. I'm suspecting the obvious lack
of lube was the culprit.

But, as could have been predicted, the arrogant baboons with no useful
information to add have responded with, that's right, no useful
information. Take [censored] sherman, for example. Here is a man whose
life is so empty and pathetic that he spends all day, every day,
spouting unbiased opinion on a usenet group, rather than actually
getting out and riding. perhaps if he spent more time riding than
thinking about it, he might have more friends, and be able to develop
more lucid, insightful responses

Quoted message said:

Tom Sherman
zencycle who? anonymously posts:

Does it matter? I could have posted my full name and addres, with cell
and home contact numbers. They could have all been fake. Your name
could be fake, I don't know, and I don't care. The level of respect
you'll gain on an anonymous forum is not measured by revealing your
ideentity. It's measured by comprehendable and intelligent discussion.
Your track record shows very little of either. You consistently back
yourself into a corner with ethereal opinions, and when challenged
resort to insults rather than defensible discourse. You see, you would
have posted the same useless advice if I had prefaced my message with
a warning or not. Very helpful.....NOT. You clearly have low self
esteem issues, possibly as a result of neglectful parents, or more
likely that you picked last for dodgeball or didn't get GI joe with
kungfu grip for your 10th birthday (the horror!). Whatever the case,
your presence here is worth little more than entertainment value,
which wears as quickly as a britney spear pop song, as you have about
as much talent.

Quoted message said:

I will have whatever type of day I please.

This only confirms your low opinion of yourself. Tommy, try doing
something with your life, become a productive member of society. Time
and time again you only re-enforce our impression that you possess the
intellect and imagination of a neocon lemming, and you see where
that's gotten us. Your mind is like a parachute tommy boy, it
functions best when open.

Quoted message said:

Jim Beam

Thanks JB, that's what I was looking for. I've noticed time and time
again you provide reasonable non-contentious posts initially, but
brainless [censored] like sherman can't stand that someone else may be
right and attack the messenger instead of the message. You don't need
to respond, you're better than that.

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson
Way to butter up your audience!

I expected better from you bill, based on your history here. I'm
disappointed. I had interpreted that your life was more fulfilled than
you indicated by your horrible misinterpretation of my post. All
you've done is waste everyones time. As clarification - You people are
not my audience. I am yours.

Quoted message said:

Michael Press
I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

And I think you should spend more time on a bike, and less time _not_
helping. Really mikey, over 850 posts during june and july last year?
Your web activity went _UP_ during the summer? Hint - rinding in the
summer is fun. Try it.
Of course, this pales in comparison to shermans vacuous
existence....over 1000 posts in november. I'm suspecting the activity
only dropped in decemeber because his wife made him string up the
lights and carry her purse on shopping trips on the promise that he
might get sex for christmas. But, I'm guessing his balls are still in
a pickle jar in the back of the fridge.

Quoted message said:

Kinky Cowboy
The ultimate solution, as everybody knows, is to get a proper wheel.

Thanks for the link and the info. I've been quite happy with these
wheels. I been riding them on crappy new england roads, and to this
point they have been trouble free. Not bad considering I've done _no_
maintenance on them in two years. These wheels are ubiquitous in the
masters peloton up here, a testament to their durability.

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky
I have no idea why you consider it necessary to insult people before they
respond to you.

Thanks for the maintenance tips mike. This is what I was looking for.
My preface to the question was to point out that people like sherman
and press will respond predictably with elitist and slanted opinions.
If they really wanted to help, they would have responded more like
kinky cowboy: tell me how to fix it, suggest alternatives. As I noted
earlier, they would have responded with 'buy a new handbuilt wheel'
with no advice on the question at hand regardless of how I framed my
message. That's not helping.

I won't be responding any further. I have a life, and a lot of that
involves riding. In february in new england. I'm thinkin sherman and
press need to get out more.

zencycle (who?) anonymously snipes:

Quoted message said:

I disassembled the hub last night. There was very little wear on the
freehub bushing, just a little dirt. I'm suspecting the obvious lack
of lube was the culprit.

Well good for you. You discovered maintenance works.

Quoted message said:

But, as could have been predicted, the arrogant baboons with no useful
information to add have responded with, that's right, no useful
information. Take [censored] sherman, for example. Here is a man whose
life is so empty and pathetic that he spends all day, every day,
spouting unbiased opinion on a usenet group, rather than actually
getting out and riding. perhaps if he spent more time riding than
thinking about it, he might have more friends, and be able to develop
more lucid, insightful responses

[Yawn]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tom Sherman
zencycle who? anonymously posts:

Does it matter? I could have posted my full name and addres, with cell
and home contact numbers. They could have all been fake. Your name
could be fake, I don't know, and I don't care.

Well, it is not. Sorry. 😉

Quoted message said:

The level of respect
you'll gain on an anonymous forum is not measured by revealing your
ideentity. It's measured by comprehendable and intelligent discussion.

No, being anonymous means you can post anything without it affecting
your reputation. How cowardly.

Quoted message said:

Your track record shows very little of either. You consistently back
yourself into a corner with ethereal opinions, and when challenged
resort to insults rather than defensible discourse. You see, you would
have posted the same useless advice if I had prefaced my message with
a warning or not. Very helpful.....NOT.

No, I probably would have ignored the post if the arrogance had been
missing.

Quoted message said:

You clearly have low self
esteem issues, possibly as a result of neglectful parents, or more
likely that you picked last for dodgeball or didn't get GI joe with
kungfu grip for your 10th birthday (the horror!). Whatever the case,
your presence here is worth little more than entertainment value,
which wears as quickly as a britney spear pop song, as you have about
as much talent.

Says the person with so little self-esteem that he/she is afraid to use
his/her real name.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I will have whatever type of day I please.

This only confirms your low opinion of yourself. Tommy, try doing
something with your life, become a productive member of society. Time
and time again you only re-enforce our impression that you possess the
intellect and imagination of a neocon lemming, and you see where
that's gotten us. Your mind is like a parachute tommy boy, it
functions best when open.

In all likelihood I work more hours and get more done than the anonymous
sniper.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jim Beam

Thanks JB, that's what I was looking for. I've noticed time and time
again you provide reasonable non-contentious posts initially, but
brainless [censored] like sherman can't stand that someone else may be
right and attack the messenger instead of the message. You don't need
to respond, you're better than that.

Oooh, sucking up to the "jim beam" sock puppet.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson
Way to butter up your audience!

I expected better from you bill, based on your history here. I'm
disappointed. I had interpreted that your life was more fulfilled than
you indicated by your horrible misinterpretation of my post. All
you've done is waste everyones time. As clarification - You people are
not my audience. I am yours.

Oh please.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Press
I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

And I think you should spend more time on a bike, and less time _not_
helping. Really mikey, over 850 posts during june and july last year?
Your web activity went _UP_ during the summer? Hint - rinding in the
summer is fun. Try it.
Of course, this pales in comparison to shermans vacuous
existence....over 1000 posts in november. I'm suspecting the activity
only dropped in decemeber because his wife made him string up the
lights and carry her purse on shopping trips on the promise that he
might get sex for christmas. But, I'm guessing his balls are still in
a pickle jar in the back of the fridge.

Sorry, no cash sucking, ball and chain here. 🙂

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Kinky Cowboy
The ultimate solution, as everybody knows, is to get a proper wheel.

Thanks for the link and the info. I've been quite happy with these
wheels. I been riding them on crappy new england roads, and to this
point they have been trouble free. Not bad considering I've done _no_
maintenance on them in two years. These wheels are ubiquitous in the
masters peloton up here, a testament to their durability.

More likely a testament to Mavic's marketing of their European Heritage
& Mystique®.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky
I have no idea why you consider it necessary to insult people before they
respond to you.

Thanks for the maintenance tips mike. This is what I was looking for.
My preface to the question was to point out that people like sherman
and press will respond predictably with elitist and slanted opinions.
If they really wanted to help, they would have responded more like
kinky cowboy: tell me how to fix it, suggest alternatives. As I noted
earlier, they would have responded with 'buy a new handbuilt wheel'
with no advice on the question at hand regardless of how I framed my
message. That's not helping.

butbutbut, a proper wheel would be a better choice - more reliable,
lower weight and less aerodynamic drag than the overpriced Mavic box wheel.

Quoted message said:

I won't be responding any further.

Boo hoo. 😉

Quoted message said:

I have a life, and a lot of that
involves riding. In february in new england. I'm thinkin sherman and
press need to get out more.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

zencycle said:

I disassembled the hub last night. There was very little wear on the
freehub bushing, just a little dirt. I'm suspecting the obvious lack
of lube was the culprit.

Yes that was most likely. I am always surprised how much noise that can
make. Take it apart more often. It's easy.

Lou

Tom Sherman said:

zencycle (who?) anonymously snipes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Kinky Cowboy
The ultimate solution, as everybody knows, is to get a proper wheel.

Thanks for the link and the info. I've been quite happy with these
wheels. I been riding them on crappy new england roads, and to this
point they have been trouble free. Not bad considering I've done _no_
maintenance on them in two years. These wheels are ubiquitous in the
masters peloton up here, a testament to their durability.

More likely a testament to Mavic's marketing of their European Heritage
& Mystique®.

Testament to a lot of people being fooled into thinking lighter is
better, which is why Mavic came up with those sucky Zicral spokes (and
now the even worse R-Sys) and FTS-L freehub.

If you must have a Mavic box wheel, I bet the Cosmic Elite is faster
than the Ksyriums in everything except a pure hill climb, although
it's so cheap that nobody ever tests them side by side, and you're
still stuck with the monthly FTS-L maintenance.

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary

zencycle wrote:
<snip for clarity>

Quoted message said:

But, I'm guessing his balls are still in
a pickle jar in the back of the fridge.

potm!

zencycle said:

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson
Way to butter up your audience!

I expected better from you bill, based on your history here. I'm
disappointed. I had interpreted that your life was more fulfilled than
you indicated by your horrible misinterpretation of my post.

Dude, context matters. Your OP-ening line was, "I know I'm going to get
chastised by the opinionated elitist dorks in
this forum" -- so I quoted that (and that only) and made a little poke-joke.
How you could turn that into a "misinterpretation" of your post is baffling,
to put it kindly.

Lighten up, Zenster!

BS

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<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Press
I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

And I think you should spend more time on a bike, and less time _not_
helping. Really mikey, over 850 posts during june and july last year?
Your web activity went _UP_ during the summer? Hint - rinding in the
summer is fun. Try it.

I am here to help, regardless of the severe limitation
it puts on my cycling time. Anyway, we have year around
cycling weather here.

Quoted message said:

Of course, this pales in comparison to shermans vacuous
existence....over 1000 posts in november. I'm suspecting the activity
only dropped in decemeber because his wife made him string up the
lights and carry her purse on shopping trips on the promise that he
might get sex for christmas. But, I'm guessing his balls are still in
a pickle jar in the back of the fridge.

You could not bestir yourself to reply individually.
Obviously a troll with many important things to do,
so many that he must budget his trolling time.
Do not let me detain you.

You left out the obvious sarcasm to your obvious trolling.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

I know I'm going to get chastised by the opinionated elitist dorks in
this forum who think the only good wheel is hand built by an LBS for

Excellen start. You can look forward to much free advice
and help achieving your goals.

--
Michael Press

In article
<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Press
I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

And I think you should spend more time on a bike, and less time _not_
helping. Really mikey, over 850 posts during june and july last year?
Your web activity went _UP_ during the summer? Hint - rinding in the
summer is fun. Try it.

You misspelled my name.
I looked it up. 266 articles to rbt in June and July 2007.
677 articles total, but google counts one article for each
cross-posted group. Also there is a Michael Press
who is not I.
<[email hidden]>

You are misleading us.

--
Michael Press

zencycle said:

On a recent trip to the north georgia mountains, I was descending
hogpen gap and topping 50 mph, when the freehub on my 3 year old
ksyrium SL started making a lowpitched squeal similar to an out-of-toe
brake on the rim. I slowed enough so it was safe to look back, and the
freehub was dragging/binding to the point where the chain had dropped
in between the stay and the wheel, and the dérailleur had been forced
into max tension.

The only time I've had a similar issue was when I mis-reassembled a 2000
Campy Chorus hub, having never had campy stuff before. I had gotten
grease in the pawls of the freehub, instead of oil, and that was enough
to cause the same symptoms. I solved it by cleaning the pawls and
oiling them. I was surprised at how little drag was necessary to mess
things up.

-- Rob

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Press
I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

Quoted message said:

And I think you should spend more time on a bike, and less time _not_
helping. Really mikey, over 850 posts during june and july last year?
Your web activity went _UP_ during the summer? Hint - rinding in the
summer is fun. Try it.

You misspelled my name.
I looked it up. 266 articles to rbt in June and July 2007.
677 articles total, but google counts one article for each
cross-posted group. Also there is a Michael Press
who is not I.
<[email hidden]>

You are misleading us.

--
Michael Press

Nope, I clicked on the link next to your name, the one that says 'view
profile'. It sends you here:

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=19dbURIAAABh5CCktiP689qkVHUAtk8epbyajUBv9M9XLUB2gqkZmQ

mike press aka [email hidden] posted over 1300 messages in may
june, and july of 2007. Prime riding months. 'Tis not I guilty of the
misinformation.

get out more, big fella.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

>Michael Press
>I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

Quoted message said:

And I think you should spend more time on a bike, and less time _not_
helping. Really mikey, over 850 posts during june and july last year?
Your web activity went _UP_ during the summer? Hint - rinding in the
summer is fun. Try it.

You misspelled my name.
I looked it up. 266 articles to rbt in June and July 2007.
677 articles total, but google counts one article for each
cross-posted group. Also there is a Michael Press
who is not I.
<[email hidden]>

You are misleading us.

Nope, I clicked on the link next to your name, the one that says 'view
profile'. It sends you here:

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=19dbURIAAABh5CCktiP689qkVHUAtk8epbyajUBv9M9XLUB2gqkZmQ

mike press aka [email hidden] posted over 1300 messages in may
june, and july of 2007. Prime riding months. 'Tis not I guilty of the
misinformation.

get out more, big fella.

You misspelled my name.
You cherry picked the three largest numbers.
All months are prime riding months here.

--
Michael Press

In article
<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

zencycle said:

>Michael Press
>I think you should ditch the ksriums and get some good wheels.

Quoted message said:

And I think you should spend more time on a bike, and less time _not_
helping. Really mikey, over 850 posts during june and july last year?
Your web activity went _UP_ during the summer? Hint - rinding in the
summer is fun. Try it.

You misspelled my name.
I looked it up. 266 articles to rbt in June and July 2007.
677 articles total, but google counts one article for each
cross-posted group. Also there is a Michael Press
who is not I.
<[email hidden]>

You are misleading us.

Nope, I clicked on the link next to your name, the one that says 'view
profile'. It sends you here:

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=19dbURIAAABh5CCktiP689qkVHUAtk8epbyajUBv9M9XLUB2gqkZmQ

Something about this link puzzles me.
June 2007 shows 424. Clicking on the
`424' brings up a page that reads
` Results 1 - 10 of 263 from Jun 1, 2007 to Jun 30, 2007 for author'
Can you explain the disparity between 424 and 263?
A normal author search shows 262 articles posted.
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=100&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=rubrum%40pacbell.net&lr=&as_qdr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=6&as_miny=2007&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=2007&safe=off>

I just now clicked on the `424' again and it showed 259 posts.

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] posted over 1300 messages in may
june, and july of 2007. Prime riding months. 'Tis not I guilty of the
misinformation.

Your assertion of 1300 messages is based on gg's report
and they were unable to actually bring up 424 messages
for June 2007. You may not be guilty but you spread
misinformation.

--
Michael Press

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:12:45 -0800, Michael Press <[email hidden]>
wrote:

[snip confusion]

Dear Michael,

This is for your posts in _all_ Google Groups, not just RBT:

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&show=more&enc_user=19dbURIAAABh5CCktiP689qkVHUAtk8epbyajUBv9M9XLUB2gqkZmQ&group=

That shows 424 posts to all groups in June, 2007.

***

You can limit posts to RBT with the menu near the top.

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&show=more&enc_user=19dbURIAAABh5CCktiP689qkVHUAtk8epbyajUBv9M9XLUB2gqkZmQ&group=rec.bicycles.tech

That shows 124 RBT posts in June, 2007.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel