Lance-I can beat Landis

Callistus Valerius said:

Is Lance hinting of a return, or lamenting that maybe he should have
hung on for one more year, and an 8th title.

That would have been interesting, I think it would been as pathetic as
Indurain in 96 !

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Callistus Valerius said:

Is Lance hinting of a return, or lamenting that maybe he should have
hung on for one more year, and an 8th title.

That would have been interesting, I think it would been as pathetic as
Indurain in 96 !

A clean Landis vs. a clean Armstrong would, IMO, go to Landis hands down.

B. Lafferty said:

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A clean Landis vs. a clean Armstrong would, IMO, go to Landis hands down.

That is brilliant! Let's see what data there is.

As to be "being clean" niether rider has ever been proven to be clean
or not clean. So, really no way to say anything with certainty.

There is head to head race data. What does that show?

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B. Lafferty said:

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A clean Landis vs. a clean Armstrong would, IMO, go to Landis hands down.

That is brilliant! Let's see what data there is.

As to be "being clean" niether rider has ever been proven to be clean
or not clean. So, really no way to say anything with certainty.

There is head to head race data. What does that show?

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis have
indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same for
Armstrong. No blood or urine samples of Landis have come up with EPO in
them. Can't say that for Armstrong. Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping. So like
I said, if Landis and Armstrong rode the Tour together clean, IMO, Landis
wins hands down. By all means have a different opinion, but remember, the
Tooth Fairy isn't riding this year.

B. Lafferty said:

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B. Lafferty said:

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A clean Landis vs. a clean Armstrong would, IMO, go to Landis hands down.

That is brilliant! Let's see what data there is.

As to be "being clean" niether rider has ever been proven to be clean
or not clean. So, really no way to say anything with certainty.

There is head to head race data. What does that show?

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis have
indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same for
Armstrong. No blood or urine samples of Landis have come up with EPO in
them. Can't say that for Armstrong. Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping. So like
I said, if Landis and Armstrong rode the Tour together clean, IMO, Landis
wins hands down. By all means have a different opinion, but remember, the
Tooth Fairy isn't riding this year.

You know I don't have any first hand knowledge of who takes what. But
the reality is that LA has so far won or settled every single case that
has been in the courts without any findings that he did anything. So,
while there are all sorts of stories there is still no proof.
Hey I can round up a bunch of folks who will testify that the Holocost
never happened. Others will swear that they went on a trip with aliens.
Statements are not proof.

BTW I recently rode with the Tooth Fairy, she says "hi" to you and asks
how you're doing.

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There is head to head race data. What does that show?

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis have
indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same for
Armstrong. No blood or urine samples of Landis have come up with EPO in
them. Can't say that for Armstrong. Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping. So like
I said, if Landis and Armstrong rode the Tour together clean, IMO, Landis
wins hands down. By all means have a different opinion, but remember, the
Tooth Fairy isn't riding this year.

You know I don't have any first hand knowledge of who takes what. But
the reality is that LA has so far won or settled every single case that
has been in the courts without any findings that he did anything. So,
while there are all sorts of stories there is still no proof.
Hey I can round up a bunch of folks who will testify that the Holocost
never happened. Others will swear that they went on a trip with aliens.
Statements are not proof.

How about urine testing that comes back positive but is justified by a
backdated prescription, if 1999 were 2006 he would have been sent home
direct.

How about the EPO found in his 1999 blood tests ?

It's obivous LA was doping, and if he turns out to be Cowboy in the
good Dr Fuentes' list that will nail it in. If the much more talented
Ullrich had to dope to keep up, you'd have to be naive to think LA was
not. I'd go so far as to say that LA's doping probably encouraged
Ullrich to dope.

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BTW I recently rode with the Tooth Fairy, she says "hi" to you and asks
how you're doing.

B. Lafferty said:

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis have
indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same for
Armstrong. No blood or urine samples of Landis have come up with EPO in
them. Can't say that for Armstrong. Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping. So like
I said, if Landis and Armstrong rode the Tour together clean, IMO, Landis
wins hands down. By all means have a different opinion, but remember, the
Tooth Fairy isn't riding this year.

Of course Landis would beat Armstrong. Armstrong's been training
on the 12-oz curl machine this year.

It's funny how Landis just rode the most dramatic Tour stage anyone's
seen since you were a junior, and the only thing that you can say about
it is to make comparisons to Armstrong. Who cares? Armstrong's
retired, done, not in the Tour anymore. Floyd's racing this year.

BTW, you all need to remember that the OP, village idiot/troller
Valerius, makes [censored] up all the time, including the fictional
"I can beat Landis" quote in the subject line.

Keith said:

How about urine testing that comes back positive but is justified by a
backdated prescription, if 1999 were 2006 he would have been sent home
direct.

How about the EPO found in his 1999 blood tests ?

It's obivous LA was doping, and if he turns out to be Cowboy in the
good Dr Fuentes' list that will nail it in. If the much more talented
Ullrich had to dope to keep up, you'd have to be naive to think LA was
not. I'd go so far as to say that LA's doping probably encouraged
Ullrich to dope.

Well none of this is at odds with my point. I said I have no first
hand knowlege of anyone taking anything. And there has been no finding
of guilt (yet) by any court. So, to my mind there are lots of
accusations but nothing has been proven.

That said I'm inclined to believe that ALL the top riders get some sort
of boost (again without any first hand knowledge so it is simply a
belief and not an accusation).

So, my point is that legally both guys are still not proven guilty and
in my mind they both use(d) something. That means it's even steven on
the drugs so lets look at the head to head racing.

B. Lafferty said:

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B. Lafferty said:

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A clean Landis vs. a clean Armstrong would, IMO, go to Landis hands down.

That is brilliant! Let's see what data there is.

As to be "being clean" niether rider has ever been proven to be clean
or not clean. So, really no way to say anything with certainty.

There is head to head race data. What does that show?

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis have
indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same for
Armstrong. No blood or urine samples of Landis have come up with EPO in
them. Can't say that for Armstrong. Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping. So like
I said, if Landis and Armstrong rode the Tour together clean, IMO, Landis
wins hands down. By all means have a different opinion, but remember, the
Tooth Fairy isn't riding this year.

Landis will write a book...........the book will tell all......in the
end the Tooth Fairy dies !

OMC

OMC said:

B. Lafferty said:

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B. Lafferty wrote:
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> A clean Landis vs. a clean Armstrong would, IMO, go to Landis hands down.

That is brilliant! Let's see what data there is.

As to be "being clean" niether rider has ever been proven to be clean
or not clean. So, really no way to say anything with certainty.

There is head to head race data. What does that show?

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis have
indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same for
Armstrong. No blood or urine samples of Landis have come up with EPO in
them. Can't say that for Armstrong. Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping. So like
I said, if Landis and Armstrong rode the Tour together clean, IMO, Landis
wins hands down. By all means have a different opinion, but remember, the
Tooth Fairy isn't riding this year.

Landis will write a book...........the book will tell all......in the
end the Tooth Fairy dies !

OMC

That's gonna really [censored] the Easter Bunny who's gonna have to find
a new S.O. You think Jimmy Carter had rabbit problem's you ain't seen
nothing yet!
Bill C

OMC said:

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Landis will write a book...........the book will tell all......in the
end the Tooth Fairy dies !

Bill C said:

That's gonna really [censored] the Easter Bunny who's gonna have to find
a new S.O. !

You mean the Easter Bunny is gay ?

Donald Munro said:

OMC said:

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Landis will write a book...........the book will tell all......in the
end the Tooth Fairy dies !

Bill C said:

That's gonna really [censored] the Easter Bunny who's gonna have to find
a new S.O. !

You mean the Easter Bunny is gay ?

I'm not sure about that, but whatever the Bunny is, it's definitely
very happy.
Not quite sure what Gender the Tooth Fairy is either but they make a
cute couple.
Bill C

B. Lafferty said:

Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping.

If that's your position, then your position must also be Armstrong's
power on sustained climbs isn't consistent with EPO usage/blood doping,
either.

Andy Coggan

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Donald Munro said:

OMC said:

> Landis will write a book...........the book will tell all......in the
> end the Tooth Fairy dies !

Bill C said:

That's gonna really [censored] the Easter Bunny who's gonna have to find
a new S.O. !

You mean the Easter Bunny is gay ?

I'm not sure about that, but whatever the Bunny is, it's definitely
very happy.
Not quite sure what Gender the Tooth Fairy is either but they make a
cute couple.
Bill C

Best go check with the TeleTubby.

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B. Lafferty said:

Landis' climbing wattages (and those
of the other Tour riders this year in the absence of Armstrong, Basso and
Ullrich) are at levels not consistent with EPO usage/blood doping.

If that's your position, then your position must also be Armstrong's
power on sustained climbs isn't consistent with EPO usage/blood doping,
either.

Andy Coggan

No.

B. Lafferty said:

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis have
indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same for
Armstrong.

Ullrich, Basso circa April 2006 were therefore clean.

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B. Lafferty said:

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis
have indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same
for Armstrong.

Ullrich, Basso circa April 2006 were therefore clean.

No.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:23:15 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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B. Lafferty said:

Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis
have indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same
for Armstrong.

Ullrich, Basso circa April 2006 were therefore clean.

No.

Please expand

Keith said:

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:23:15 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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B. Lafferty wrote:

> Here it is, Chump. No current or former employees/teammates of Landis
> have indicated him to be riding anything but clean. Can't say the same
> for Armstrong.

Ullrich, Basso circa April 2006 were therefore clean.

No.

Please expand

No. Please don't. Expanding on a single idea doesn't work for short
stories > novels, nor Brain Freeze's obsession.

On the outcome of a fight between LA and FL...permit me a tangent. A
lunch acquaintance related his story of his surprising someone who had
broken into his NYC apartment and trashed it. He chased the guy
downstairs, out the door, down the block, through a Chinese restaurant
and out the back, down an alley, and pulled the guy out of a taxi which
the "alleged perpetrator" was in the process of trying to carjack as a
getaway vehicle (in Manhattan?). The perp then proceeded to smack my
friend around. It seems my friend neglected to tell the thief that he
was a Quaker and couldn't fight back. He probably should have thought
about that before chasing the guy.

Now Floyd, being something of the black sheep of his family
religion-wise, would probably have no problem with popping Lance in the
nose. Lance would retaliate with The Look, and Floyd would pop him in
the eye and make The Look all lopsided and squinty. Floyd wins in the
first round.

R