On Jun 4, 11:20 pm, Howard Kveck <
[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
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> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 12:06 am, Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > Howard Kveck <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jun 1, 8:20 am, Bob Schwartz <[email protected]>
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> > > > > > How long has He been dead?
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> > > > > Dumbasses,
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> > > > > At least since September 2007:
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> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4
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> > > > > Please watch this. For the sake of the children.
> > > > > It's the most wheels-off performance since 7-Eleven's
> > > > > Tour TTT.
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> > > > > If you think the guitar lead at 2:00 isn't enough,
> > > > > wait for DLR's pony ride at 4:00.
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> > > > > This is what finally convinced me that the
> > > > > Eighties are actually over.
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> > > > Jeebus that was craptastic. EvH missed almost as many notes as that
> > > > eight year old shredder earlier in the thread. Tuning? Huh? Whuzzat?Oh well,
> > > > at least we didn't have to hear DLR yelping like a dog that just gotit's paw
> > > > stepped on (though the pony ride was inspiring - at least as long asit lasted).
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> > > As best as I can figure from the video's comments, the problem was that
> > > the guitar tuning was knocked out of whack. The dissenting theory was a
> > > synth track played back at the wrong speed, which isn't very likely.
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> > > At any rate, the riding microphone was just a bit sad, and we can't
> > > blame tuning for that.
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> > There's a more musically literate discussion at
> > http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/jump-in-pitch/
> > http://warmowski.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/whos-right-slap-fight/
> > although it is hard to figure out who's right.
> > Then, I just found, there is an expert Commission of Inquiry at
> > http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/10/van-halens-jump.html
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> > I blame the guitar tuning, because guitarists and out-of-tune
> > go together like Bobby Julich and pavement. As for an
> > explanation for this fiasco? The best I can come up with
> > is that Eddie's guitar tech is Doug Feith.
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> Ha... Yeah, the guitar is out compared to everything else. We don'tknow if he'd
> just swapped guitars before that song or what but if he hadn't, there is time during
> the keyboard intro part for him to check his tuning. Anyway, on a tour that size,
> they would have some very competent techs, not some guy from down the street.
At a glance, maybe some pro techs are not so keen. For ex:
Clayton Janes (playback tech): I think it's a complete backing track
issue. [The synthesizer] is a digital recording off a computer and
normally played at a sample rate of 44.1k. In this case, I think it's
already been proven that a master clock source was at 48k, a higher
quality playback. What happens is that it transposes a pitch shift so
all of a sudden, it's playing three [half-]steps higher.
Unless I'm making a mistake, the sampling rate difference is about
midway between a half-step and whole-step.
>> format short,sr=48/44.1,hs1=2^(1/12),hs2=2^(2/12),hs1/sr,hs2/sr
sr =
1.0884
hs1 =
1.0595
hs2 =
1.1225
ans =
0.9734
ans =
1.0313
Lonnie Totman (guitar tech): It was 100 percent a guitar issue. All of
Eddie's guitars, except one, are tuned to E flat. He typically has one
in E, a half step off, for a couple of songs, and he was either handed
that one or he grabbed it.
There was a comment that the keyboard (and everything but EVH) were
sharp compared to the studio version. If that was intentional, then
the guitar EVH would have needed is the one tuned to E, just the
opposite of what Totman says.
> Whatever, it was a mess. It was interesting that in the Popwatch article, the
> playback guy blamed the playback and seriously defended EvH.
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> > My theory doesn't explain DLR taking a bouncy ride
> > on a giant phallic microphone, but I think that's going
> > to stay one of Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns.
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> I think he borrowed that idea from Mick Jagger. Years ago he had aninflatable
> penis that rose out of the stage and he'd "ride" that during their set.
I don't get how a man riding a phallic symbol is supposed to attract
hot chicks. It is very strange.
