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Flycaster said:

As we are retiree's,

MENDELBAUM, MENDELBAUM MENDELBAUM!

Flycaster said:

I was helping a friend who was new to weight training. I told him to
breath out on the concentric part of the lift and breath in during the
eccentric part. As we are retiree's, we are not talking about his
lifting heavy weight, but enough to do 3 sets of 12-15 reps. Our gym
person came over and said that it should be the opposite. I strongly
disagreed and she showed me a strength training book that backed her up.
The example she showed me was for a concentration curl.

Breathing technique during a concentration curl?!

You're funny. I hope I'm as funny as you when I retire.

David

Hey guys, of course I wasn't talking, per se, about how to breath when
doing concentration curls (although that is a funny thought). The point
is I'm trying to find out from you gurus: In general, does one inhale or
exhale during the concentric part of an exercise?

David Cohen said:

Flycaster said:

I was helping a friend who was new to weight training. I told him to
breath out on the concentric part of the lift and breath in during the
eccentric part. As we are retiree's, we are not talking about his
lifting heavy weight, but enough to do 3 sets of 12-15 reps. Our gym
person came over and said that it should be the opposite. I strongly
disagreed and she showed me a strength training book that backed her up.
The example she showed me was for a concentration curl.

Breathing technique during a concentration curl?!

You're funny. I hope I'm as funny as you when I retire.

David

You can only hope you've learned his lesson: keep breathing. :-)

Dally

Flycaster said:

Hey guys, of course I wasn't talking, per se, about how to breath when
doing concentration curls (although that is a funny thought). The point
is I'm trying to find out from you gurus: In general, does one inhale or
exhale during the concentric part of an exercise?

That's not as funny a question 🙁

When doing heavy lifts that involve the need to stabilize the
abdominal/lower back region to prevent injury...squats and deadlifts,
the most common examples...I, and many others, utilize a valsalva
manuever...breath holding and bearing down...with, possibly, a slow,
forceful, exhalation during the concentric portion of the lift.

HOWEVER...WARNING WARNING WARNING...valsalvas cause a transient
increase in blood pressure, a transient increase in intraabdominal and
intrathoracic pressure, a transient decrease in venous return, a
transient decrease in cardiac output...all of which can be DANGEROUS in
persons with certain medical conditions. Check with your doctor before
doing this.

David

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Flycaster said:

I was helping a friend who was new to weight training. I told him to
breath out on the concentric part of the lift and breath in during the
eccentric part. As we are retiree's, we are not talking about his
lifting heavy weight, but enough to do 3 sets of 12-15 reps. Our gym
person came over and said that it should be the opposite. I strongly
disagreed and she showed me a strength training book that backed her up.
The example she showed me was for a concentration curl.

Breathing technique during a concentration curl?!

You're funny. I hope I'm as funny as you when I retire.

David

You can only hope you've learned his lesson: keep breathing. :-)

Reminds me of the sage advice once given to me by an old doper. He said that
you know you are really getting high when you stop breathing.

Seems like risky activity to me. Or he needs to cut back on the dosage or
something.

Flycaster said:

Hey guys, of course I wasn't talking, per se, about how to breath when
doing concentration curls (although that is a funny thought). The point
is I'm trying to find out from you gurus: In general, does one inhale or
exhale during the concentric part of an exercise?

Exhale.

David Cohen said:

Flycaster said:

Hey guys, of course I wasn't talking, per se, about how to breath when
doing concentration curls (although that is a funny thought). The point
is I'm trying to find out from you gurus: In general, does one inhale or
exhale during the concentric part of an exercise?

That's not as funny a question 🙁

When doing heavy lifts that involve the need to stabilize the
abdominal/lower back region to prevent injury...squats and deadlifts,
the most common examples...I, and many others, utilize a valsalva
manuever...breath holding and bearing down...with, possibly, a slow,
forceful, exhalation during the concentric portion of the lift.

HOWEVER...WARNING WARNING WARNING...valsalvas cause a transient
increase in blood pressure, a transient increase in intraabdominal and
intrathoracic pressure, a transient decrease in venous return, a
transient decrease in cardiac output...all of which can be DANGEROUS in
persons with certain medical conditions. Check with your doctor before
doing this.

David

So, David, it looks as though although many may hold their breath on the
initial part of the exercise, there is an exhale during most of the
concentric phase. Furthermore, I fully understand the consequences of
the valsalva manuever, which leads me to believe that for senior
citizens who lift weights for helath rather than passionate reasons,
would be best off exahling during concentric phase.

Quite frankly, all this questioning is coming about because I am having
technique issues with the person who runs our community gym/exercise
room. I believe that she isn't well informed and gives out
mis-information. For example, she claims that the hardest part of the
curl is the eccentric phase. She also, for example, says that a machine
seated military press works the posterior and medial deltoids as well as
it does the anterior deltoids. I have some understanding of weight
training techniques and often help my friends, and then she comes along
with the opposite information (not always, but often enough) that leads
to a "who's right" pissing match. I know that there are variations to
just about every technique, but I do think there are some basics that
most of us would agree are true. IMHO, she screws up some of the basics.

David Cohen said:

Gym trainers often suck.

David

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

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Dally said:

spodosaurus said:

David Cohen said:

Gym trainers often suck.

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

ROFL. Yeah, that must be it. :-)

Dally

That sort of thing is semi-legal here...perhaps I should start a
business with a whole new way of motivating clients to do those extra
few reps ;-)

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neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

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spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

David Cohen said:

Gym trainers often suck.

David

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

<cough>
Thanks. Just choked on my glass of ice tea. ;-)
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Flycaster said:

Hey guys, of course I wasn't talking, per se, about how to breath when
doing concentration curls (although that is a funny thought). The point
is I'm trying to find out from you gurus: In general, does one inhale or
exhale during the concentric part of an exercise?

I was thinking about this at the gym today and realized I couldn't
answer it absolutely. During back extensions, for example, I exhaled
while unbending. I guess the back muscles were contracting, but it felt
like all the other muscles were eccentric. But here's how I figure it
breaks down:

During the work part of the lift I exhale while I pull or push, often
with a count of 2 in my head, then exhale as I release, often with a
count of 4 going on in my head. So for a concentration curl (which I
actually did today, thinking about this) I exhale while I curl and
inhale twice as long as I uncurl.

I'm not saying this is right, it's just what FEELS right.

I utterly sympathize with you about the retarded gym trainer. We've all
got them. Sometimes I take people aside and suggest they look at
www.ExRx.net or www.stumptuous.com/weights.html.

Dally

spodosaurus said:

David Cohen said:

Gym trainers often suck.

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

ROFL. Yeah, that must be it. :-)

Dally

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:02:28 +0800, spodosaurus

spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

Then why do you sneak out on her?

spodosaurus said:

Dally said:

spodosaurus said:

David Cohen wrote:

>
> Gym trainers often suck.

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

ROFL. Yeah, that must be it. :-)

Dally

That sort of thing is semi-legal here...perhaps I should start a
business with a whole new way of motivating clients to do those extra
few reps ;-)

Sounds like the quintessential capitalist business plan. I assume you
intend to have employees rather than just performing the services
yourself? That might be a flaw in this plan. It's hard to find good help.

Dally

Dally said:

Flycaster said:

Hey guys, of course I wasn't talking, per se, about how to breath when
doing concentration curls (although that is a funny thought). The
point is I'm trying to find out from you gurus: In general, does one
inhale or exhale during the concentric part of an exercise?

I was thinking about this at the gym today and realized I couldn't
answer it absolutely. During back extensions, for example, I exhaled
while unbending. I guess the back muscles were contracting, but it felt
like all the other muscles were eccentric. But here's how I figure it
breaks down:

During the work part of the lift I exhale while I pull or push, often
with a count of 2 in my head, then exhale as I release, often with a
count of 4 going on in my head. So for a concentration curl (which I
actually did today, thinking about this) I exhale while I curl and
inhale twice as long as I uncurl.

I'm not saying this is right, it's just what FEELS right.

I utterly sympathize with you about the retarded gym trainer. We've all
got them. Sometimes I take people aside and suggest they look at
www.ExRx.net or www.stumptuous.com/weights.html.

Dally

Thanks for the references, Dally. They should very helpful when I need
to reference a training point.

Flycaster

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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:02:28 +0800, spodosaurus

spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

Then why do you sneak out on her?

bill, has spodo ever let us in on how he became a damaged hero?

and spodo, is this a word? - >>unshaparoned

is it a poor attempt at spelling "unsharpened"? were you trying to describe
your wee wit?

mike said:

"The Bill Rodgers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:02:28 +0800, spodosaurus

spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

Maybe that's the real reason my wife doesn't let me go to the gym
unshaparoned.

Then why do you sneak out on her?

bill, has spodo ever let us in on how he became a damaged hero?

and spodo, is this a word? - >>unshaparoned

is it a poor attempt at spelling "unsharpened"? were you trying to describe
your wee wit?

I noticed that after my last reply to you you ran away for a week and
cried. When you came back, you avoided that thread like the plague. Let
us all know when you actually pick up a weight (and your fat gut does
not qualify).

mike said:

bill, has spodo ever let us in on how he became a damaged hero?

You mean his pathetic attempt at getting sympathy with is "I'm going
to croak-off soon" line? Yep, he needs to learn to mind his own
business.

Quoted message said:

and spodo, is this a word? - >>unshaparoned

is it a poor attempt at spelling "unsharpened"? were you trying to describe
your wee wit?

He's a moron, he can't help it.